Major World Of Warcraft Issues

[CKent]

What other semi-recent 3d games do you have? I'd pick one and get back into it, play it for a good while and look for anything abnormal.

Also, are you using the latest drivers? If so, try going back 1-2 versions. I just transplanted my old 9800 pro into one of my older PCs, upgrading it from a 4600. I spent 3 hours trying to figure out wtf WoW wasn't recognizing 3d acceleration on the system before I tried going back to the 7.7 cats, which worked like a charm.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: invidia

Originally posted by: MaverickBP

Originally posted by: Zbox

IMO they with resiliance runied PVP

this could not be more true. resilience completely wrecked wow pvp. it is flat out horrible.

I understand what Resilence is and have heard that it ruined pvp before. Can someone fill in a guy who's taken a long leave of absence in on why it ruined pvp?

No......... resilience made it so you can't one shot someone in pvp. Not fun if you didn't stand a chance because some idiot 3-minute mage crits you for 10.9k damage.

if every point of resiliance was replaced with stamina we woudl have the same result we have now, and it wouldent have fed over classes that relied on crits like dagger rogues

why did I stop playing my GM rogue you ask, because of resiliance and arenas

 

[MaverickBP]

Originally posted by: CKent
What other semi-recent 3d games do you have? I'd pick one and get back into it, play it for a good while and look for anything abnormal.

Also, are you using the latest drivers? If so, try going back 1-2 versions. I just transplanted my old 9800 pro into one of my older PCs, upgrading it from a 4600. I spent 3 hours trying to figure out wtf WoW wasn't recognizing 3d acceleration on the system before I tried going back to the 7.7 cats, which worked like a charm.

Problem is i've tried two different cards and different drivers for both of them.

 

[Diaonic]

Here's the simple fix to your issue.

Buy a new mobo, new ram, HD and do a fresh windows install.

 

[MaverickBP]

Originally posted by: Diaonic
Here's the simple fix to your issue.

Buy a new mobo, new ram, HD and do a fresh windows install.

Riiiight...


However I have a new mobo already and will be using my friends ram on a fresh xp install on a spare drive since buying all new components without knowing their bad is kinda foolish. But by all means if you wanna send me some money i'll gladly do it

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Anubis
if every point of resiliance was replaced with stamina we woudl have the same result we have now, and it wouldent have fed over classes that relied on crits like dagger rogues

why did I stop playing my GM rogue you ask, because of resiliance and arenas

I've thought about toying around in the arena with my rogue, but the fact that only combat rogues offer as much viability with their steady damage rather than burst damage (via crit) makes me want to stay away.

I kind of want to get some honor saved up on my mage, but the fact that he's Alliance makes me shudder at the thought. Especially since AV was changed, Alliance don't win anything anymore! Although I was in the 51-60 bracket yesterday in AV, the Horde won in ~35 minutes every time. I wasn't complaining about the 500-ish honor every time though . But never being able to win is what made me quit before... I don't think I want to do that again.

Maybe I'll just gear up my undead rogue, but I was thinking about making him strictly PVE .

 

[bullbert]

Originally posted by: MaverickBP

Originally posted by: videogames101
Honestly, you NEED to do a clean windows install, it should be the first thing on your list.

You hate me don't you?

Well I just remembered that I have a spare 250gb drive lying around in my machine doing nothing. So tonight I will install XP on there and WoW to see what happens. Do you guys think I should disconnect all my other drives first to prevention cross contimination if anything is on them causing this?

Could be DRM problems, either from M$ OS "upgrades" or from other game installs (StarFarce for example) after your first WoW addiction, have corrupted your drivers. Since you have a spare HD, yes, unplug your original HD and start from scratch.

That is why you should have at least two game-capable machines operatonal at all times, unless you are a student, and should not be playing more than 10 hours per week, anyway. One system with your newest hardware dedicated to prime time gaming, the other system with your previous hardware dedicated to internet access, bill paying, etc and still usable for multiplayer action when friends drop by, and in-a-pinch still usuable as a primary gamer system just with lower framerates with video bell & whistle options disabled when, for example, the first systems M$ registery needs to be purged or DRM corruption has gotten unbearable and a reformat is required. While the first system is down for lowlevel "maintenance" (much like cars need timing belt replacements at <<100K miles, and engine & transmittion rebuilds at >>100K miles), you can at least feed your Video Crack(tm) addiction with the second machine.

Edit: worse than just DRM corrupting your drivers, is that the new newer newest CPUs load "bootstrap" (as good a "commoner" word as any) microcode that may have been corrupted. This backdoor CPU boot access was meant as a modern methodology patch method to sidestep the most fatal of design faults, without Intel having to reiterate another dozen silicon respins, in hopes of getting the processor out the door on schedule.

 

[MaverickBP]

Originally posted by: bullbert

Originally posted by: MaverickBP

Originally posted by: videogames101
Honestly, you NEED to do a clean windows install, it should be the first thing on your list.

You hate me don't you?

Well I just remembered that I have a spare 250gb drive lying around in my machine doing nothing. So tonight I will install XP on there and WoW to see what happens. Do you guys think I should disconnect all my other drives first to prevention cross contimination if anything is on them causing this?

Could be DRM problems, either from M$ OS "upgrades" or from other game installs (StarFarce for example) after your first WoW addiction, have corrupted your drivers. Since you have a spare HD, yes, unplug your original HD and start from scratch.

That is why you should have at least two game-capable machines operatonal at all times, unless you are a student, and should not be playing more than 10 hours per week, anyway. One system with your newest hardware dedicated to prime time gaming, the other system with your previous hardware dedicated to internet access, bill paying, etc and still usable for multiplayer action when friends drop by, and in-a-pinch still usuable as a primary gamer system just with lower framerates with video bell & whistle options disabled when, for example, the first systems M$ registery needs to be purged or DRM corruption has gotten unbearable and a reformat is required. While the first system is down for lowlevel "maintenance" (much like cars need timing belt replacements at <<100K miles, and engine & transmittion rebuilds at >>100K miles), you can at least feed your Video Crack(tm) addiction with the second machine.

You may be on to something with the M$ OS upgrades...interesting. Will take a look. If the fresh install of xp on the spare hd runs fine...that'll isolate my issue. I was gonna try the same installation disc on the drive but figured i'd try a new one. The one I used on my hd now was one I made streamlined with an sp2 install. It did everything for you and installed the sp without you having to touch anything at all. I wonder if that may be an issue but again the system worked fine for over a year on this game.

 

[bullbert]

I did not really study your situation or even check to see if you are using XP or Vista. And I only mentioned StarForce, but Steam uses a different DRM, Sony uses a different DRM, Vista add more DRM hooks for developers to use incorrectly, etc. Each capable of disabling your system, and each capable of interfering with the others resulting in a true mess. Depending on how many games and/or demos you have installed and uninstalled between then (when WoW used to function) and now (when WoW appears with corrupted or choppy graphics), even a God troubleshooter many not be able to figure out which install hosed you. I was just reading in another thread about how the latest version of SecuRom is "infecting" the systems of Crysis owners, both retail and demo. Sigh...

I just reformatted a "new" Dell Outlet system which had a faulty configuration out-of-the-box. Refurbished my arse! Bought it for the parents. It reminded me that I should reformat my game system come spring time.

 

[Denithor]

I have seen several times where bad memory or a bad memory socket will cause data corruption on the hard drive and lead to instability. Normally this causes the entire system to have problems, but I had one case that sticks in my head to this day where the only problem I found was random crashes in one particular game, Divine Divinity. After Memtest86 told me stick 1 was bad twice (switched between runs) and that the memory was fine if run single stick in slot 0, I figured out that the motherboard socket was hosed. RMAd the board, reinstalled into replacement, everything ran perfectly smooth/stable.

 

[MaverickBP]

Originally posted by: bullbert
I did not really study your situation or even check to see if you are using XP or Vista. And I only mentioned StarForce, but Steam uses a different DRM, Sony uses a different DRM, Vista add more DRM hooks for developers to use incorrectly, etc. Each capable of disabling your system, and each capable of interfering with the others resulting in a true mess. Depending on how many games and/or demos you have installed and uninstalled between then (when WoW used to function) and now (when WoW appears with corrupted or choppy graphics), even a God troubleshooter many not be able to figure out which install hosed you. I was just reading in another thread about how the latest version of SecuRom is "infecting" the systems of Crysis owners, both retail and demo. Sigh...

I just reformatted a "new" Dell Outlet system which had a faulty configuration out-of-the-box. Refurbished my arse! Bought it for the parents. It reminded me that I should reformat my game system come spring time.

Ya i'm running xp pro and I just remembered another game I played heavily on my pc was Doom 3 and Half Life 2. Both ran flawlessly with no issues. This was of course around the time WoW was running flawlessly as well. Well I got my friends ram i'm gonna try the microsoft memory tester on tonight. Memtest said my memory was fine but the microsoft tester said dimm 0 was crap and dimm 1 was fine. So if his memory does the same I think we can lean towards the board being bad...again.

Problem is my board is 939, my ram is pc3200, and my graphics card is agp. I would have to replace/upgrade to basically a new computer

 

[MaverickBP]

Just tried my friends memory to no avail. More testing to come.

 

[boatillo]

Its your RAM, 100% that's it.

Actually, not exactly your RAM - but your Asus board doesn't like *that* RAM. I run the same motherboard as you atm and its...well...old! That was like the first s939 board released and even in its heyday there were RAM issues with many different manufacturers. The Corsair Value should probably work, but I'm sure their "Value" sticks can from many different groups. In fact I used to run Kingston HyperX 2x512 on this board and it was always finicky as well (and I had to RMA the sticks a couple times as one failed on two different occasions!)

Switched to 2x1gb of Mushkin High Performance Blue (still on newegg) and it has worked great with 2-3-2-6 timings at DDR450

 

[MaverickBP]

Originally posted by: boatillo
Its your RAM, 100% that's it.

Actually, not exactly your RAM - but your Asus board doesn't like *that* RAM. I run the same motherboard as you atm and its...well...old! That was like the first s939 board released and even in its heyday there were RAM issues with many different manufacturers. The Corsair Value should probably work, but I'm sure their "Value" sticks can from many different groups. In fact I used to run Kingston HyperX 2x512 on this board and it was always finicky as well (and I had to RMA the sticks a couple times as one failed on two different occasions!)

Switched to 2x1gb of Mushkin High Performance Blue (still on newegg) and it has worked great with 2-3-2-6 timings at DDR450

That would make sense except the game use to run fine and I just tried two different brand sticks last night and the same issue happened.

 

[MaverickBP]

My ex brought up a very good point that I don't think anyone's thought of yet. All my problems seem to have started once I upgraded to expansion. Now it very well may be something that was added in the expansion that triggered the conflict, or maybe I have bad installation discs. Therefore a reinstall wouldn't help me. If that's it i'm gonna be pissed off and happy at the same time. All of the great IT minds I know haven't been able to figure this out and then a pit clerk figures it out lol. Well that's the way of these things. I'm gonna borrow a friends discs and try those tomorrow. Tonight I will try a fresh reinstall on my spare hd and see what happens.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: MaverickBP
My ex brought up a very good point that I don't think anyone's thought of yet. All my problems seem to have started once I upgraded to expansion. Now it very well may be something that was added in the expansion that triggered the conflict, or maybe I have bad installation discs. Therefore a reinstall wouldn't help me. If that's it i'm gonna be pissed off and happy at the same time. All of the great IT minds I know haven't been able to figure this out and then a pit clerk figures it out lol. Well that's the way of these things. I'm gonna borrow a friends discs and try those tomorrow. Tonight I will try a fresh reinstall on my spare hd and see what happens.

I think you can also download it, either through the website or, more likely, the launcher.

 

[MaverickBP]

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: MaverickBP
My ex brought up a very good point that I don't think anyone's thought of yet. All my problems seem to have started once I upgraded to expansion. Now it very well may be something that was added in the expansion that triggered the conflict, or maybe I have bad installation discs. Therefore a reinstall wouldn't help me. If that's it i'm gonna be pissed off and happy at the same time. All of the great IT minds I know haven't been able to figure this out and then a pit clerk figures it out lol. Well that's the way of these things. I'm gonna borrow a friends discs and try those tomorrow. Tonight I will try a fresh reinstall on my spare hd and see what happens.

I think you can also download it, either through the website or, more likely, the launcher.

I was thinking about that. I know my friend did. I wasn't sure if I had to pay for it but as long as I provide a serial key I should be fine right?

Do you guys think I should uninstall wow and then reinstall it over it? I know parts of the install will be left behind and i'm worried that those may give me a false test if they are the cause of the problem.

 

[jjj807]

you can download BC through your worldofwarcraft.com/account management page i believe. i would say completely uninstall wow and start from scratch. BC overwrites a lot of stuff.

 

[MaverickBP]

Originally posted by: jjj807
you can download BC through your worldofwarcraft.com/account management page i believe. i would say completely uninstall wow and start from scratch. BC overwrites a lot of stuff.

So uninstall WoW completely including the BC? What about the remaining folders it leaves behind? Would I also be downloading the original game from that site or would I be reinstalling it from my discs and then using the BC download to install BC?

 

[MaverickBP]

I don't see the download option on that page

 

[boatillo]

I still think this is a RAM issue, the expansion could have just changed the way WoW addresses its memory space.

This board is *really* picky on RAM, even the 1T timing option in the bios is messed up. With RAM issues on a Athlon64 you can also think about the memory controller on the cpu.

 

[MaverickBP]

Originally posted by: boatillo
I still think this is a RAM issue, the expansion could have just changed the way WoW addresses its memory space.

This board is *really* picky on RAM, even the 1T timing option in the bios is messed up. With RAM issues on a Athlon64 you can also think about the memory controller on the cpu.

While that's possible it wouldn't make sense why two different brands would cause the same issue. Also my ram is prob one of the most popularly used ram on the 939 boards. You'd expect there to be a widespread issue if the board not liking the ram was the case.

 

[boatillo]

I'm not familiar with the Microsoft memory tester you said you used, have you tried running Memtest86+ on your system? Freeware and very easy to use. Run it through all the tests 2-3+ times and you will completely eliminate memory, memory controller, and mb slots as the culprits.

Edit: and just to make sure, dual channel operation on the board is 1 module in each of the blue slots. Single channel would be 1 module in the B1 blue slot. All four slots populated would force 2T timings. Any other setup will very likely cause instability.

Edit2: since this could be memory related, check out your Paging file. Tell Windows to use a set number (not pick its own or vary the size). If you have a couple hdd's, move the paging file to the hdd that does not have the OS.

 

[MaverickBP]

Originally posted by: boatillo
I'm not familiar with the Microsoft memory tester you said you used, have you tried running Memtest86+ on your system? Freeware and very easy to use. Run it through all the tests 2-3+ times and you will completely eliminate memory, memory controller, and mb slots as the culprits.

Edit: and just to make sure, dual channel operation on the board is 1 module in each of the blue slots. Single channel would be 1 module in the B1 blue slot. All four slots populated would force 2T timings. Any other setup will very likely cause instability.

Edit2: since this could be memory related, check out your Paging file. Tell Windows to use a set number (not pick its own or vary the size). If you have a couple hdd's, move the paging file to the hdd that does not have the OS.

Alright will do. I've done memtest86 and passed with flying colors. I do have many hd's so will try moving the paging file. The bios I think does sat it's set to 2t timings if I switch it from auto to manual. Which very well may mean it's running it "auto" as 2t. I have one stick in each blue slot.

Edit: The paging file is a set size but I will move it to one of my other drives.

 

[MaverickBP]

Ok tried putting the page file on another drive and it didn't work. I alt tabbed out of wow and when I came back in the ground had disappeared again and became the color of the sky.