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John Connor

Lifer
Nov 30, 2012
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I wonder if I hired the right lobbyist could I get a carve out in the next spending bill that would specifically defund John Connor?

After watching that conservative college almost get it's own little amendment in the tax bill I think the answer is yes.


How do you defund that which has money overseas?
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
Jan 6, 2005
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It was nice of them not to pass a bill in the dead of night and after everyone had a chance to really read and analyze it unlike those shady liberals.
#bothsides
#whataboutism

So what you're telling me is that neither side is capable of compromise and is willing to ram legislature through, completely ignorant of the long term implications, to create the illusion of actually doing something?
 

John Connor

Lifer
Nov 30, 2012
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#bothsides
#whataboutism

So what you're telling me is that neither side is capable of compromise and is willing to ram legislature through, completely ignorant of the long term implications, to create the illusion of actually doing something?

Better than passing it to see what's in it.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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#bothsides
#whataboutism

So what you're telling me is that neither side is capable of compromise and is willing to ram legislature through, completely ignorant of the long term implications, to create the illusion of actually doing something?
How long did the aca take to pass, and how many Republican compromises were considered and included.

Lets go for the bothsidesdoit comparison.
 

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John, in your infinite high school civics wisdom, please explain exactly how *you* benefit from this bill?
 
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John Connor

Lifer
Nov 30, 2012
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John, in your infinite high school civics wisdom, please explain exactly how *you* benefit from this bill?


Fat stacks at tax time in 2019 for one. The economy will improve greatly since that God awful corporate tax rate has been reduced. Not to mention the stock market is going to go up even higher making my 401k look pretty damn good. What's not to like? It's beyond me how anyone can say this isn't a good thing. It truly is. Anyone that says otherwise just suffers from Trump derangement syndrome.
 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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Fat stacks at tax time in 2019 for one. The economy will improve greatly since that God awful corporate tax rate has been reduced. Not to mention the stock market is going to go up even higher making my 401k look pretty damn good. What's not to like? It's beyond me how anyone can say this isn't a good thing. It truly is. Anyone that says otherwise just suffers from Trump derangement syndrome.
Your 401k? Lay it out for me in your own words, what you think a 401k is.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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Sure, write off anyone who disagrees as deranged. Every single person.

It wasnt that long ago that people lost much of their 401k's to poor lending practices, your haste ridden replies wont change that. i currently work side by side with people who were set to retire in 09-10, now they get to keep working....until they cant. One of my peers lost more than half.

as a younger person, i can barely stomach that, now to think of that happening at 60 years old....frightening. but hey, lets not let history interfere with giving predatory lending another try.
 

thraashman

Lifer
Apr 10, 2000
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It's interesting to see a John Connor thread because you get to see the clearest example of what pure malicious insanity looks like.
 
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vi edit

Elite Member
Super Moderator
Oct 28, 1999
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Fat stacks, huh? Do you have kids? Are you making over $100k a year? Do you have a large amount of mortgage interest? Because otherwise, no you aren't going to be making fat stacks of cash. In fact if you are in the $50,000 range and single, you are LOSING money in this bill.

If your parents and grandparents are on passive or controlled income they are going to be hit. Your health insurance premiums are going to go up as the mandates are revoked and people pull out of the exchanges. So called "economy" is not going to be a booming bull of power because the people that spend nearly every cent of their expendable income here locally are going to get hit the hardest.

Your 401k is going to run out of steam. This is a trillion dollar deficit bill. That is going to catch, the reality of this bill and it's minimal effects will catch up and the economy will start to bog. The stock market is running on hype and hysteria right now. A big correction is due soon.

As for me personally, I'm looking to gain $2600-$2900 next year from it. And I still think it's a bad thing overall for us.

Who's the real conservative here?
 

UNCjigga

Lifer
Dec 12, 2000
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It's interesting to see a John Connor thread because you get to see the clearest example of what pure malicious insanity looks like.

Hey now, it takes a special kind of person to sell out their country for personal gain, and then have the gall to criticize anyone who complains.
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
Jan 6, 2005
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How long did the aca take to pass, and how many Republican compromises were considered and included.

Lets go for the bothsidesdoit comparison.
Well, if we are going to examine the context, the ACA was the Democrats charging forward arrogantly to score a legislative victory ironically enough by essentially implementing a Republican plan, with the Republicans then backing themselves into a corner because "reasons", only for the Democrats to totally fumble on messaging and marketing, allowing the worst element of conservatism to score major legislative victories and thereby considerably obstruct the Obama Administration.

The current Republican tax plan is using a nuclear bomb to eliminate decades of unecessary scar tissue, with the Democrats once again unable to market any ideas of their own, and the Republicans willing to ignore long term implications for a short term gain.

Neither side is able to capably legislate.
 

Sunburn74

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Oct 5, 2009
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"The U.S. Senate voted just before 2 a.m. ET Saturday to pass a sweeping tax overhaul worth roughly $1.4 trillion, putting the Trump White House a big step closer to its first major legislative victory – and many Americans closer to a tax cut."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/02/senate-passes-major-tax-reform-package.html

Trump hasn't been in office a year yet and already he's making great strides for the American people.
First of all taking a year to pass major legislation is a failure. Its like being proud of taking 7 years to graduate high school.

Secondly the bill is a shit-show for 90% of americans. How can it honestly be happy about it. And the house version was worse! Meaning they will drag the final version even lower with negotiations.

Well, if we are going to examine the context, the ACA was the Democrats charging forward arrogantly to score a legislative victory ironically enough by essentially implementing a Republican plan, with the Republicans then backing themselves into a corner because "reasons", only for the Democrats to totally fumble on messaging and marketing, allowing the worst element of conservatism to score major legislative victories and thereby considerably obstruct the Obama Administration.

The current Republican tax plan is using a nuclear bomb to eliminate decades of unecessary scar tissue, with the Democrats once again unable to market any ideas of their own, and the Republicans willing to ignore long term implications for a short term gain.

Neither side is able to capably legislate.

Yes. Charging forward with 1 year of debates and amendments from both sides.
This tax bill was written in like 2 weeks.

Also a little known fact about the ACA. In the process of courting two republican votes, the ACA's drafters removed two provisions. This again was part of the bipartisan effort the ACA's leaders were trying to create. One was for a public option to buy into medicare by any american and the second was to allow medicare to negotiate drug prices essentially setting making our pharm market similar to most european countries. The two republicans they were courting killed those provisions and promised their votes in exchange. Then when it came to the final vote, the two republicans didn't vote as promised and sided with their party, leaving those provisions out of the final version to be voted on. Those two provisions are major major changes that would markedly benefit the US consumer. So its not the kettle calling the pot black. Its just the kettle being black all by itself.

Oh by the way don't forget the ACA is entirely funded by taxes from people making 250K or higher with almost all the benefits going to people who make way less than that. Oh yeah don't forget that. This tax bill will be essentially a reverse robin hood situation.
 
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fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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#bothsides
#whataboutism

So what you're telling me is that neither side is capable of compromise and is willing to ram legislature through, completely ignorant of the long term implications, to create the illusion of actually doing something?

Nope, only one side.

You have to remember that with the ACA those objections from Republicans were obvious and transparent lies. Here they just actually happened.
 
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Starbuck1975

Lifer
Jan 6, 2005
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Nope, only one side.

You have to remember that with the ACA those objections from Republicans were obvious and transparent lies. Here they just actually happened.
Do you think the ACA, a handout and major subsidy to the insurance industry, was a great piece of legislature?

Sure, the ends were noble of intent. Who doesn't want affordable health care for all. The means were an absolute failure, especially given how easy its been for the Republicans to undermine and dismantle it.
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
Jan 6, 2005
14,698
1,909
126
First of all taking a year to pass major legislation is a failure. Its like being proud of taking 7 years to graduate high school.

Secondly the bill is a shit-show for 90% of americans. How can it honestly be happy about it. And the house version was worse! Meaning they will drag the final version even lower with negotiations.



Yes. Charging forward with 1 year of debates and amendments from both sides.
This tax bill was written in like 2 weeks.

Also a little known fact about the ACA. In the process of courting two republican votes, the ACA's drafters removed two provisions. This again was part of the bipartisan effort the ACA's leaders were trying to create. One was for a public option to buy into medicare by any american and the second was to allow medicare to negotiate drug prices essentially setting making our pharm market similar to most european countries. The two republicans they were courting killed those provisions and promised their votes in exchange. Then when it came to the final vote, the two republicans didn't vote as promised and sided with their party, leaving those provisions out of the final version to be voted on. Those two provisions are major major changes that would markedly benefit the US consumer. So its not the kettle calling the pot black. Its just the kettle being black all by itself.

Oh by the way don't forget the ACA is entirely funded by taxes from people making 250K or higher with almost all the benefits going to people who make way less than that. Oh yeah don't forget that. This tax bill will be essentially a reverse robin hood situation.
So let's pass a flawed piece of legislature just to pass legislature? The ACA is barely on life support.

Compare and contrast the ACA to the bold social programs of the New Deal that survived and endured.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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Do you think the ACA, a handout and major subsidy to the insurance industry, was a great piece of legislature?

Sure, the ends were noble of intent. Who doesn't want affordable health care for all. The means were an absolute failure., especially given how easy its been for the Republicans to undermine and dismantle it.

The ACA was pretty good, yes! Health care cost inflation has been low since it was passed, thirty million more poor and sick people got health insurance, and it cost less than anticipated. If that’s not policy success I would love to hear what is. It’s not perfect, but it was pretty good. I know for me personally it’s the most meaningful piece of federal legislation enacted in my lifetime.

As for the Republicans being able to undermine it, it’s unlikely that many pieces of legislation are crafted (or should be crafted) to withstand an all out assault by a nihilistic minority party.
 
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