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ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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Doesn't explain the sustained popularity of Sanders. If only it had been his turn.
I think the sustained popularity of Sanders is due to younger folks seeing whats coming their way, and not wanting to take in up the tail pipe so wealthy folks can live luxurious lives and still have hundreds of millions, and billions stashed away.
 

Capt Caveman

Lifer
Jan 30, 2005
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It's good news, anything that makes our resident lefties throw a tantrum is good news for the country.

And I think it's awesome that dumbasses like yourself will be paying more in taxes after you graduate high school and start working at McDonalds. I'm glad you're happy that owners of private jets and golf courses get tax breaks.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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If insurance companies lose their subsidies for low income enrollees and the healthy are able to pool outside of the exchanges, its dead, doesn't matter how many people want it.
i agree, the plebes only matter for votes.
 

TheVrolok

Lifer
Dec 11, 2000
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Fat stacks, huh? Do you have kids? Are you making over $100k a year? Do you have a large amount of mortgage interest? Because otherwise, no you aren't going to be making fat stacks of cash. In fact if you are in the $50,000 range and single, you are LOSING money in this bill.

If your parents and grandparents are on passive or controlled income they are going to be hit. Your health insurance premiums are going to go up as the mandates are revoked and people pull out of the exchanges. So called "economy" is not going to be a booming bull of power because the people that spend nearly every cent of their expendable income here locally are going to get hit the hardest.

Your 401k is going to run out of steam. This is a trillion dollar deficit bill. That is going to catch, the reality of this bill and it's minimal effects will catch up and the economy will start to bog. The stock market is running on hype and hysteria right now. A big correction is due soon.

As for me personally, I'm looking to gain $2600-$2900 next year from it. And I still think it's a bad thing overall for us.

Who's the real conservative here?

I couldn't help noticing JC didn't respond to this ... Well, I guess we should both just offer him our heartfelt thanks for our tax cuts for which he will most likely be paying. As I mentioned in another thread, I will not be trickling it down.
 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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No one can afford it! The very fact it's called the ACA is an out right oxymoron. The ACA was the biggest pile of crap ever passed! There should have been common sense reform, regulation and state to state competition. But Congress can't even get that done FFS.
Explain your thoughts on this.
 

J.Wilkins

Platinum Member
Jun 5, 2017
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Explain your thoughts on this.

You're continuously asking the impossible, the man has no idea on any subject unless it's part of his weekly newsletter and even then he still do not understand the concept, only the talking point.
 

VRAMdemon

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Rubio let it slip:

“Many argue that you can’t cut taxes because it will drive up the deficit. But we have to do two things. We have to generate economic growth which generates revenue, while reducing spending. That will mean instituting structural changes to Social Security and Medicare for the future,” the senator said.

“We don’t need to reduce benefits on current retirees or even near-term retirees, but we can make changes for future generations such as mine, and do so in a way that people can prepare for, so the changes will barely be felt,” Rubio said.

This still requires reconciliation with the version that already passed in the House of Reps. which will probably take awhile because they're horribly inconsistent. Reconciliation isn't supposed to be used for any bill that raises the deficit (-$1.4T over ten years, according to the CBO), but rules don't matter any more. There are significant differences and perhaps some of the dumbest shit will get pulled. But the GOP is very motivated to declare a legislative victory at any cost. .So nobody should be holding their breath that sanity will prevail and this middle of the night abortion of a bill will fail to ultimately be signed into law.
 

umbrella39

Lifer
Jun 11, 2004
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Medicare and SS are going to get slashed HARD. Then what will the basement dwelling sausage fingered fat fuck OP do?
 
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Aegeon

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Its worth noting that no-one responsible would engage in writing and revising a major tax bill all at the last moment like this given all the unintended loopholes and complications realistically being added to the tax code... (Not to mention the issue of how the bill clearly make current elected Republicans the party of fiscal irresponsibility given how they are plainly intentionally significantly increasing the deficit given the details of the bill..)
 

Maxima1

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“We don’t need to reduce benefits on current retirees or even near-term retirees, but we can make changes for future generations such as mine, and do so in a way that people can prepare for, so the changes will barely be felt,” Rubio said.

lol Yet the rich HAVE to have more and more. What a POS.
 

bradly1101

Diamond Member
May 5, 2013
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It was nice of them not to pass a bill in the dead of night and after everyone had a chance to really read and analyze it unlike those shady liberals.
There weren't supposed to be any "sweeteners," yet they gave Murcowsky drilling/fracking in the Alaskan National Wildlife "Refuge" to get her vote.
 
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Geekbabe

Moderator Emeritus<br>Elite Member
Oct 16, 1999
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I earn under 50K a year, I am almost 61 yrs old & have cancer. There is nothing to cheer about in this tax bill for me.

I am sitting here wondering what will happen to me when I am too sick to work anymore, wondering if lifetime limits will come back on my insurance, Frightened beyond measure at the prospect of facing a miserable death without medical care & ending up homeless & bankrupt,

Enjoy your victory...
 

Franz316

Senior member
Sep 12, 2000
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It's good news, anything that makes our resident lefties throw a tantrum is good news for the country.

If only was Spite was a viable political platform... But apparently it is for conservatives like you and Conner suffering from a worse than normal CBD. Can you see how childish and primitive of a mindset that is? To cheer a legislation that won't help the majority of the people just because the people you don't like rationally call it out? Time to grow up.
 

Sunburn74

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Oct 5, 2009
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Taxes aren't a bad thing. People who complain about all the potholes, other infrastructure, also complain about the taxes needed to fix them. People!
Indeed. I'm all for well spent taxes. I'm also for cutting essentially entirely unregulated waste in healthcare and military spending.
 
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Hayabusa Rider

Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Jan 26, 2000
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What I love about this tax bill is that it's likely the shortest-lived in history. The majority is being screwed in so many ways and this is among the top reasons that is true. Dems make progress in midterms and then crush the opposition in 2020. I can endure this if necessary for that length of time.
 

WHAMPOM

Diamond Member
Feb 28, 2006
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"The U.S. Senate voted just before 2 a.m. ET Saturday to pass a sweeping tax overhaul worth roughly $1.4 trillion, putting the Trump White House a big step closer to its first major legislative victory – and many Americans closer to a tax cut."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/02/senate-passes-major-tax-reform-package.html

Trump hasn't been in office a year yet and already he's making great strides for the American people.

Yeah! MAN! The tax exemptions I will get for owning or leasing a private jet are AWESOME!! THANK YOU connered, it all comes out of your pocket you know.
 

WHAMPOM

Diamond Member
Feb 28, 2006
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Let's go back to President Ray-gun and his tax breaks, economy did "BOOM" as expected (not as promised) and the deficit went into the Trillions. What is that about doing the same thing over and over expecting different results? OH, insanity.
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
Jan 6, 2005
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He thrived on his own brand of populism. Delivering policy is a lot harder, as witnessed by Trump delivering the opposite of what he promised.
As did Obama. Hope and change quickly became more of the same. All Presidents find the art of governing far thornier than the adoration of campaigning. Sanders would have done just fine.
 
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