Making Use of an old HP Laptop?

[AntiHypocrite]

Not necessarily. Gen 4 is more expensive than gen 3. And by the time you move to new laptop/desktop it might be gen 5

You know, normally, I would totally agree with your clear logical reasoning, but I've been reading up on Samsung NVMe M.2 memory devices and, funny enough, their "fastest" example of Gen 3 storage -- the 970 PRO NVMe® M.2 SSD 1TB -- is actually more expensive than the faster Gen 4 980 PRO w/ Heatsink PCIe® 4.0 NVMe™ SSD 1TB SSD. Here's a link that supports what I just wrote.

This initially made zero sense to me, but then I read that the older Gen 3's construction makes it nearly twice as durable as the newer storage memory SSD ... which, quite honestly, is why I asked the question in Post No. 22 of this thread. In other words, I must not be the only PC-dummy out here interested in the durability of these storage memory devices.

By the way, I've been studying the Samsung memory products more than anything else because we have several Samsung 2.5" SATA SSDs around here that have worked very well for us in the past.

 

[sdifox]

Is the gen 4 heat sink removable? It might not fit in the laptop.

 

[AntiHypocrite]

I'm not sure about that, but the same PCB can be purchased without the heat sink. The point is how expensive it is, relative to the newer memory, which says a lot to me. Given what I've been reading, the older Gen 3 Samsung 970 Pro NVMe M.2 SSD PCB I linked you to is very highly thought of.

I appreciate your thoughts, regardless.

 

[sdifox]

You can always just backup the current drive to an external storage and then format it and use it. Macrium reflect free is what I use.

 

[AntiHypocrite]

You can always just backup the current drive to an external storage and then format it and use it. Macrium reflect free is what I use.

As I mentioned in Post No. 10, I haven't really gotten into the internals of a PC since the good ol' Win XP days....but I have cloned the storage drive on our MacBook Pro (MBP) before. This required the install of a utility called Carbon Copy Cloner (CCC), and it works very well in the Mac OS X environment.

The problem, as this long time Mac user sees it, is that the utility you wrote about, Macrium Reflect Free, would have to be installed onto the subject drive, correct? If this is correct, we don't have admin privileges on the redundant work laptop, which, unfortunately, means that we cannot install software on the machine we wish to use at home.

If I'm incorrect, please feel free to take me to back to PC school.

 

[tcsenter]

Products like the Samsung Pro series really are overkill for a laptop except those considered as performance-oriented DTR (desk top replacement), with fast processors and/or discrete graphics. In a middling mobile segment that still prioritizes some power efficiency and thermal considerations of purpose-built mobile parts, the CPU, integrated graphics, more aggressive throttling and power management are going to be the bottlenecks. Synthetic performance tests will show an advantage more than actual usage. These high-performance SSDs are real heaters, too.

 

[sdifox]

As I mentioned in Post No. 10, I haven't really gotten into the internals of a PC since the good ol' Win XP days....but I have cloned the storage drive on our MacBook Pro (MBP) before. This required the install of a utility called Carbon Copy Cloner (CCC), and it works very well in the Mac OS X environment.

The problem, as this long time Mac user sees it, is that the utility you wrote about, Macrium Reflect Free, would have to be installed onto the subject drive, correct? If this is correct, we don't have admin privileges on the redundant work laptop, which, unfortunately, means that we cannot install software on the machine we wish to use at home.

If I'm incorrect, please feel free to take me to back to PC school.

Not exactly, macrium reflect has a usb option, but if your machine doesn't allow you to run an installer to install to usb and you have no other pc that allows you to do that then no.

 

[AntiHypocrite]

Products like the Samsung Pro series really are overkill for a laptop except those considered as performance-oriented DTR (desk top replacement), with fast processors and/or discrete graphics. In a middling mobile segment that still prioritizes some power efficiency and thermal considerations of purpose-built mobile parts, the CPU, integrated graphics, more aggressive throttling and power management are going to be the bottlenecks. Synthetic performance tests will show an advantage more than actual usage. These high-performance SSDs are real heaters, too.

@tcsenter : Do you have any recommendations for us? We're essentially looking to put our hard-earned into parts that are durable/reliable, reasonably fast and won't be totally outdated in a few months....which is why your words about possibly employing a Gen 4 NVMe M.2 SSD had real appeal for me. Anyway, I'd really appreciate a recommendation.

 

[tcsenter]

Not really, I've never purchased M.2 NVMe SSD drives. The only premium SSD I've purchased were Intel and Crucial drives but those were SATA. I am more budget conscious so I will acquire well-rated SanDisk, PNY, Kingston, Mushkin Enhanced, or whatever when there is a sale or rebate, even used drives pulled from OEM systems. With the performance and write endurances on value NAND these days, I'm not too worried about it.

 

[AntiHypocrite]

I'm still reading up on the differences between the myriad of NVMe M.2 SSDs on the market, but I want to ask the forum members an important question about the HP ProBook 440 G8.

Does anyone know if there's enough clearance in this laptop to allow for a heat sink on top of the storage memory PCB?

I'm already staying away from anything that's double-layered, due to clearance limits below the PCB, but I'm still wondering about the clearance on top of this particular PCB.

As ever, thank you kindly for your time.

 

[tcsenter]

Google results for keywords probook 440 g8, upgrade, m.2, ssd, video

 

[AntiHypocrite]

Yep, I already watched those videos and wrote to one of those guys hoping for some information, but nothing yet. I appreciate the link, regardless.

 

[AntiHypocrite]

I took the machine apart again tonight and, unfortunately, HP really meant it when they wrote "slim design." You would probably be lucky to get a couple of business cards between the top of the NVMe M.2 2280 SSD and the bottom cover of the case...so anything acting as a heat sink will have to be very thin to say the least.

 

[sdifox]

They are just catering to the customer.

 

[kingrobert]

I have a Hp Zbook Machine It is supporting windows 11 but the laptop is lagging a lot.