I know, cuz like OMG, none of those hundreds of people missing are you, so like why even care srsly?
Yea frankly I keep scratching my head as to why anyone gives a shit.
Stuff happens. Sad for those involved, utterly uninteresting for those not.
Some can say the same thing about the GZ vs. TM thread as "who gives a shit" but you guys spent countless hours to fight over every freaking detail about the case in which NONE of you were personally involved in any shape or form for several months.
Some of us do have interest in this story such as travel to Asia, have friends and/or family members there, security and safety concern, and so on.
Don't like the thread? Don't have to participate in it. You don't see me to go in any thread that I don't like and say "who gives a shit", right?
What I don't understand is how AFTER the fact we find out that 2 peeps on board got on with stolen passports.
WHY ARENT THOSE SNAGGED/STOPPED AT THE GATE?????
Its 2014.... I can play WOW with a person on the OPPOSITE side of the world.
I can get a $30,000 car loan in 10 minutes.
These two jerks get on the plane? HOW? HOURS after the plane was missing these two "Issues" were spoken to. So its not like Billy Bob woke up in Alabama, looked in his gun safe and shrieked out "Betty.... SUNOFABEECH.. Call da sherrif. Our passports be a missin..."... No, it sounds like these are on a list that was aged WELL PRIOR to boarding.
The idea that a plane could just disappear and vanish without a trace is impossible. I fully believe this plane and the people on it, landed somewhere. An entire plane just doesn't just disappear.
The idea that a plane could just disappear and vanish without a trace is impossible. I fully believe this plane and the people on it, landed somewhere. An entire plane just doesn't just disappear.
And every single person on board ,all 239, hasn't used a cell phone in 3 solid days or done anything to contact any of their loved ones in that time.
And please tell us, where does a 777 jumbo jet just "land" without anyone noticing? Specifically the single most talked about and sought after aircraft in the world at the moment?
I swear , this forum just invents new kinds and degrees of stupid.
That was my first thought, but it was being tracked on radar at 30,000 ft. I do not believe a 777 can dive fast enough to disappear in background clutter over open ocean before the next sweep or pulse and still pull out and survive. Therefore the most likely explanation is not that it disappeared, but rather that it became scattered into parts too small to be tracked from that distance. Assuming the Romulans didn't swoop down and get it.The idea that a plane could just disappear and vanish without a trace is impossible. I fully believe this plane and the people on it, landed somewhere. An entire plane just doesn't just disappear.
That was my first thought, but it was being tracked on radar at 30,000 ft. I do not believe a 777 can dive fast enough to disappear in background clutter over open ocean before the next sweep or pulse and still pull out and survive. Therefore the most likely explanation is not that it disappeared, but rather that it became scattered into parts too small to be tracked from that distance. Assuming the Romulans didn't swoop down and get it.
Anyone know the particulars of the radar tracking it?
Ah, did not know that. I thought it was being tracked on ground radar. So the plane could be anywhere in more than a quarter of the globe if the hijackers either had a pilot on the inside or knew exactly how to shut down everything AND could get in to do so before a message could be sent. Well, not literally anywhere - only where they could make land without being reported on coastal radar, and also where there would be no ships which would report a 777 flying very low. So the hijackers would have to be very organized and very knowledgeable about radar coverage and the plane itself. Doesn't seem too likely. But then, neither did 9/11 before it happened.I'm pretty sure that in this case, the plane was out of primary radar range, which is ground based radar. Primary radar tends to stop a bit far out from the cost.
The plane location is broadcast by secondary radar, the aircraft transponder system which continually broadcasts its location/altitude/speed etc etc etc.
The worrisome thing in this case is that secondary radar is not supposed to simply fail unless power is completely cut to it.
This can mean several things
1) Fire sprang out on board that cut the main power lines to the system. Unlikely because that fire would have had to spread extremely quickly to do so, and a mayday probably would have been issued.
2) Bomb severed the main connections. More plausible, and in my opinion probably the most likely cause, but that's complete conjecture. Though it would explain the lack of maydays or distress call.
3) Hijackers turned it off in the cockpit. Personally think this is shenanigans. Even if the hijackers somehow managed to get access into the locked cockpit without the pilots issuing a radio warning, where the hell are they going to go? A 777 is a big plan and everyone is looking for it.
4) Engine failure. The engine powers the transponder, and in event of total power loss, the backups do not power the transponder because all emergency power is dedicated to keeping the plane afloat. However, I do believe the radio stays on, which is why this isn't plausible.
Ah, did not know that. I thought it was being tracked on ground radar. So the plane could be anywhere in more than a quarter of the globe if the hijackers either had a pilot on the inside or knew exactly how to shut down everything AND could get in to do so before a message could be sent. Well, not literally anywhere - only where they could make land without being reported on coastal radar, and also where there would be no ships which would report a 777 flying very low. So the hijackers would have to be very organized and very knowledgeable about radar coverage and the plane itself. Doesn't seem too likely. But then, neither did 9/11 before it happened.
I would not say that "it's entirely possible", that the plane is sitting somewhere. But it is possible, a hard desert surface could do it, maybe someone has made a runway somewhere..... The 777 is no joke, it can fly for a long time and deliver a large payload, it would make one heck of a bomber... just saying.
Now imagine that plane lightly loaded with a dirty bomb.
http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/commercial/777family/pf/777_range_dubai.pdf
There is no desert in that area. The closest desert is the Gobi desert between China and Mongolia, way up north from that area.
I would not say that "it's entirely possible", that the plane is sitting somewhere. But it is possible, a hard desert surface could do it, maybe someone has made a runway somewhere..... The 777 is no joke, it can fly for a long time and deliver a large payload, it would make one heck of a bomber... just saying.
Now imagine that plane lightly loaded with a dirty bomb.
http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/commercial/777family/pf/777_range_dubai.pdf
Yeah, it would have to be extremely well planned to follow a route that would neither show up on radar nor overfly non-connected ocean traffic. On the other hand, how could a bomb sufficient to vaporize any floating pieces be smuggled on board? Lots of floating stuff in 777s. Even a head-on crash into the ocean should have broken up the plane enough to have floating wreckage and an oil slick, while a gentler descent should have allowed plenty of time for an SOS. Also, I read that from 36,000 feet a 777 can glide over a hundred miles without power, so even if his electrical power was out he should have retained enough battery power to get closer to shore. Given that the last known position is roughly 250 - 300 miles from either Malaysia or Vietnam, sure at least one of those had it on the coastal defense radars. Maybe not Vietnam which just ordered new radars, but doesn't Malaysia have some pretty good coastal defense radars that were upgraded just a few years ago by Thales/Raytheon? And given China's location, surely this approach is well covered.Well, no. Planes only carry exactly how much fuel they need to reach their destination + I believe like 15% more or something like that so, they couldn't have gone THAT far. Also viable landing areas are pretty low when you're in the middle of the ocean.
Edit: Though on second thought it probably did have fuel range to get to a decent chunk of asia. Getting there without being detected is still pretty hard to believe.
Destinations where a 777 can land are pretty few outside of airports. They have a fairly long landing distance, and within the hour, every single primary radar system in the entire area was looking for it, and a low flying airplane is extremely conspicuous.
This is why I doubt the hijacker angle
might as well go to the thar desert then. although there is tibet. but they would need fuel to climb anyways and that is still just as far
I don't think you understand the geography of the situation. The plane is missing and no one can locate it because it dropped off radar and off from any means of communication. If it was able to fly up to Gobi desert or Tibet (let say it did have enough fuel to make that far), it would be on radar systems of Vietnam or China.
i know that.
but someone said go to the gobi desert and that would be just as pointless as any other desert in the area
Why is this plane crash such a big deal?
I can understand it being a news story but it's bigger than the Ukraine Crisis now for 3 days straight. Something is seriously wrong with our media.