Malaysia proves there's no such thing as a moderate Islamic State.

[actuarial]

Originally posted by: OCguy
Where do you think American pot law ranks with the rest of the world?

I always hear this niave argument that we are the only country where pot is illegal.

The UN even stepped in on my state's lax MJ law:

http://www.boston.com/news/wor...uana_machines_illegal/

Why do you think it matters where it ranks? The MJ laws in other countries are ridiculous too, just like the liquor laws in Muslim countries. There is no difference in my mind. They are both products which have a detrimental effect on the human body (though not severe), and are used primarily as a mind altering substance.

If anything, Muslim countries have it MORE right than America/Canada, as they ban all mind altering substances, instead of just picking and choosing arbitrarily. Their punishments may be draconian, sure, but that's not my point (I would certainly agree with you there, but that's not an offense specific problem, that's a whole justice system problem). You can still be thrown in jail for having an amount of marijuana for personal use, just like there you can be thrown in jail for having a liquor bottle (I assume, I have not studied the laws of numerous primarily Muslim countries).

Have you EVER heard ANYONE say that the US is the only country where pot is illegal?

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: actuarial

Originally posted by: OCguy
Where do you think American pot law ranks with the rest of the world?

I always hear this niave argument that we are the only country where pot is illegal.

The UN even stepped in on my state's lax MJ law:

http://www.boston.com/news/wor...uana_machines_illegal/

Why do you think it matters where it ranks? The MJ laws in other countries are ridiculous too, just like the liquor laws in Muslim countries. There is no difference in my mind. They are both products which have a detrimental effect on the human body (though not severe), and are used primarily as a mind altering substance.

If anything, Muslim countries have it MORE right than America/Canada, as they ban all mind altering substances, instead of just picking and choosing arbitrarily. Their punishments may be draconian, sure, but that's not my point (I would certainly agree with you there, but that's not an offense specific problem, that's a whole justice system problem). You can still be thrown in jail for having an amount of marijuana for personal use, just like there you can be thrown in jail for having a liquor bottle (I assume, I have not studied the laws of numerous primarily Muslim countries).

Have you EVER heard ANYONE say that the US is the only country where pot is illegal?

Because you have to gain a perspective on the realities of the world. Alcohol is accepted, pot is not. You can put your head in the sand, or you can accept it as fact and move on from there.

You can argue until your face turns blue as to why the world supports certain intoxicants and not others, but really nobody is listening.

Big steps are being made as far as Medical MJ goes, but even that can be erased by one hard-line president or Justice Department, as it is still technically on the highest Schedule.

You wont be seeing recreational MJ in the US. Even the Dutch are trying to limit their coffee shops.

Decriminalization of small amounts, like in California, is as good as the Feds will let it get. But even in CA, you get a ticket and go to diversion classes. Over 28 grams and you go to jail.

And on topic, our MJ law does not make it ok for muslims to cane females. I know it is hard for some people to draw distinctions, but it can be done.

 

[piasabird]

I dont know about caning for drinking beer or alcohol, as long as it does not involve puplic drunkenness or destruction of property, or violence against others. However, drinking also involves doing things that are stupid and harmful to the person doing the drinking and other people. Nothing good can come from drinking. Just ask the children of people who drink.

 

[actuarial]

Originally posted by: OCguy
Because you have to gain a perspective on the realities of the world. Alcohol is accepted, pot is not. You can put your head in the sand, or you can accept it as fact and move on from there.

You can argue until your face turns blue as to why the world supports certain intoxicants and not others, but really nobody is listening.

Big steps are being made as far as Medical MJ goes, but even that can be erased by one hard-line president or Justice Department, as it is still technically on the highest Schedule.

You wont be seeing recreational MJ in the US. Even the Dutch are trying to limit their coffee shops.

Decriminalization of small amounts, like in California, is as good as the Feds will let it get. But even in CA, you get a ticket and go to diversion classes. Over 28 grams and you go to jail.

And on topic, our MJ law does not make it ok for muslims to cane females. I know it is hard for some people to draw distinctions, but it can be done.

I think you need to gain some perspective on the realities of the world. Alcohol is not accepted in many parts of the world.

You can argue until your face turns blue as to why these countries do not support certain intoxicants, but nobody is really listening.

You won't be seeing alcohol acceptance in many Islamic countries.

I'm not saying there aren't realities in the world, but just because YOUR country arbitrarily makes it okay to drink alcohol, doesn't mean another should, and the treatment of other intoxicants supports that point.

The only thing I think we can draw from this is "Malaysia enforces draconian punishments on its citizens".

 

[magomago]

I LMAOed because its so stupid. States should not be enforcing religious rules at all. If a person believes, then God will sort it out on the Day of Judgement and weight a persons good and bad deeds. Its absolutely retarded to enforce these edicts. God emphasizes that we were given free will to DECIDE ourselves...having a govt bear upon you and force you to do something in line with a religion takes is akin to taking that freewill away.

What I'm curious about is what the opinions of people who be if Malaysia simply banned all drinking for all groups instead, the way we ban something like Marijuana.

Anyways both should be legal to partake in, and Muslims - if they have actually read the Quran- would know that they shouldn't be drinking or taking any drugs for recreational purposes anyways. But you know what, it isn't a Nation State's job, or anyone's job to force them on issues of personal choice. Half of the Muslim world is probably busy drinking it up anyways.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: piasabird
I dont know about caning for drinking beer or alcohol, as long as it does not involve puplic drunkenness or destruction of property, or violence against others. However, drinking also involves doing things that are stupid and harmful to the person doing the drinking and other people. Nothing good can come from drinking. Just ask the children of people who drink.

Nah I wouldn't say there is nothing good that comes from drinking. It is a fairer assessment to say that the cons outweigh the pros, and that is the Quran comes down on it:

The Quran, also known as religious psychobabble to some

2:219
THEY WILL ASK thee about intoxicants and games of chance. Say: "In both there is great evil as well as some benefit for man; but the evil which they cause is greater than the benefit which they bring."

And they will ask thee as to what they should spend [in God's cause]. Say: "Whatever you can spare." In this way God makes clear unto you His messages, so that you might reflect (2:220) on this world and on the life to come.

And they will ask thee about [how to deal with] orphans. Say: "To improve their condition is best." And if you share their life, [remember that] they are your brethren: for God distinguishes between him who spoils things and him who improves. And had God so willed, He would indeed have imposed on you hardships which you would not have been able to bear:[but,] behold, God is almighty, wise!

 

[tvarad]

Originally posted by: actuarial

Originally posted by: OCguy
Where do you think American pot law ranks with the rest of the world?

I always hear this niave argument that we are the only country where pot is illegal.

The UN even stepped in on my state's lax MJ law:

http://www.boston.com/news/wor...uana_machines_illegal/

Why do you think it matters where it ranks? The MJ laws in other countries are ridiculous too, just like the liquor laws in Muslim countries. There is no difference in my mind. They are both products which have a detrimental effect on the human body (though not severe), and are used primarily as a mind altering substance.

If anything, Muslim countries have it MORE right than America/Canada, as they ban all mind altering substances, instead of just picking and choosing arbitrarily. Their punishments may be draconian, sure, but that's not my point (I would certainly agree with you there, but that's not an offense specific problem, that's a whole justice system problem). You can still be thrown in jail for having an amount of marijuana for personal use, just like there you can be thrown in jail for having a liquor bottle (I assume, I have not studied the laws of numerous primarily Muslim countries).

Have you EVER heard ANYONE say that the US is the only country where pot is illegal?

Most Muslim countries are authoritarian in nature where any laws, even Islamic ones, are applied arbitrarily. And most of the elites have access to copious amounts of alcohol, drugs and other mind-altering substances behind closed doors. These people can't be touched. It's only the little ones that are unlucky enough to get caught who are made an example of, mostly for political purposes, as in this case.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: OCguy
Where do you think American pot law ranks with the rest of the world?

I always hear this niave argument that we are the only country where pot is illegal.

Who cares? I don't. I don't give a shit how people in other countries want to run their lives. And I certainly don't think we can say that we live in a "free society" just because we are freer than those in Malaysia, or any other country for that matter.

The UN even stepped in on my state's lax MJ law:

http://www.boston.com/news/wor...uana_machines_illegal/

My response would be that the UN can go F themselves. They are not, and shouldn't be, the law of our land. Personally I don't even want us in the UN. And on top of that, our own federal gov't shouldn't have any say regarding the individual states and their drug laws.

 

[tvarad]

Originally posted by: piasabird
I dont know about caning for drinking beer or alcohol, as long as it does not involve puplic drunkenness or destruction of property, or violence against others. However, drinking also involves doing things that are stupid and harmful to the person doing the drinking and other people. Nothing good can come from drinking. Just ask the children of people who drink.

Anything done in excess is harmful. And history has shown that there's just no way that you are going to stop people from drinking by banning liquor; the stuff simply goes underground where it does even more damage. We can also see how banning drugs outright has caused such tremendous social upheaval in Mexico and other parts of South and Central America., not to mention the U.S. itself.

 

[actuarial]

Originally posted by: piasabird
I dont know about caning for drinking beer or alcohol, as long as it does not involve puplic drunkenness or destruction of property, or violence against others. However, drinking also involves doing things that are stupid and harmful to the person doing the drinking and other people. Nothing good can come from drinking. Just ask the children of people who drink.

My parents and in-laws drink. Nothing wrong with them!

The worst thing my mom ever did while drunk is give my brother "birthday beats" on his 20th birthday, and would lower the count every once in a while thinking she was tricking him. It was a grand ole time! I was also in a restaurant at Disney World

11, 12 13......pause.......9, 10, 11, 12

 

[Taejin]

Originally posted by: tvarad

Originally posted by: Taejin
I wish you people would stop ass-raping the word hypocrisy.

I will agree that words like hypocrisy, holocaust etc. are overused. But in this case, consider that Malaysia has been held up as a shining example of where Muslims have got it right in combining their religion with the mores of the modern world. Put yourself in the woman's shoes and see whether being punished for doing something considered normal almost everywhere in the world (except for whacko Muslim countries) is something you'd agree with.

That's still not what hypocrisy means. People are ascribing a different meaning to the word than what it actually means. Frankly it's just stupid.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: Taejin

That's still not what hypocrisy means. People are ascribing a different meaning to the word than what it actually means. Frankly it's just stupid.

I know
Its funny when Hindus or Jews or Christians all post hypocritical shit

Thats what is going on here right?

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: bamacre
Yeah, here we just put people in jail for smoking pot.

Hypocrisy at it's finest, indeed.

:roll: in Malaysia they kill you for selling dope.

got any more brilliant tidbits of your intellect?

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
When you want to believe something everything looks like proof.

those are probably the wises words you have said on here.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
When you want to believe something everything looks like proof.

those are probably the wises words you have said on here.

He has said that a thousand times but you read it wrong

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: bamacre
Yeah, here we just put people in jail for smoking pot.

Hypocrisy at it's finest, indeed.

:roll: in Malaysia they kill you for selling dope.

got any more brilliant tidbits of your intellect?

Yet another who missed my point.