Malaysia proves there's no such thing as a moderate Islamic State.

[tvarad]

You would have thought that something like this would be normal in Taliban infested badlands of Afghanistan and Pakistan where a woman showing her ankle or a wisp of hair would be too provocative for testosterone infused uber-believers, but this is supposed to be Malaysia, a model of a progressive Muslim country. This is a country which has legally made all non-Malaysians second-class citizens and yet whines about how Muslims are treated in Western countries where they enjoy equal rights. Read on.

Malaysian state to cane woman after Ramadan

In particular:

Former premier Mahathir Mohamad, a frequent critic of the West who ruled Malaysia for 22 years until 2003, said there was no need for Islam or Islamic countries to apologize.

"The news of the caning has gone all around the world," he said on his popular web log (www.chedet.co.cc).

"I do not know if this gives a good or bad image to Islam. As a Muslim, we do not have to care too much about the view of others toward Islam when doing what the religion calls for."

Hypocrisy at it's finest.

 

[bamacre]

Yeah, here we just put people in jail for smoking pot.

Hypocrisy at it's finest, indeed.

 

[Taejin]

I wish you people would stop ass-raping the word hypocrisy.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: bamacre
Yeah, here we just put people in jail for smoking pot.

Hypocrisy at it's finest, indeed.

I'm pretty sure they put people in jail in Malaysia for smoking pot too. In fact, I recall a story from some years back where the Malaysian gov drug-tested a couple of citizens returning from an Australian vacation, they turned up positive tests, and spent 12 months in jail.

So hypocrisy? No, not really.

 

[tvarad]

Originally posted by: bamacre
Yeah, here we just put people in jail for smoking pot.

Hypocrisy at it's finest, indeed.

Just be thankful, in Malaysia the laws are much more draconian (e.g. death for drug-trafficking). Google for information.

 

[babylon5]

"I do not know if this gives a good or bad image to Islam. As a Muslim, we do not have to care too much about the view of others toward Islam when doing what the religion calls for."

That is, until he and others see Danish cartoon, then they care.

 

[tvarad]

Originally posted by: Taejin
I wish you people would stop ass-raping the word hypocrisy.

I will agree that words like hypocrisy, holocaust etc. are overused. But in this case, consider that Malaysia has been held up as a shining example of where Muslims have got it right in combining their religion with the mores of the modern world. Put yourself in the woman's shoes and see whether being punished for doing something considered normal almost everywhere in the world (except for whacko Muslim countries) is something you'd agree with.

 

[blackangst1]

Bizzare. Ive drank beer and gin with Malaysian women in Kuala Lumur, and this happend just north of there. Bizzare. I think theres more to it than just drinking beer.

 

[SandEagle]

Originally posted by: tvarad

Originally posted by: bamacre
Yeah, here we just put people in jail for smoking pot.

Hypocrisy at it's finest, indeed.

Just be thankful, in Malaysia the laws are much more draconian (e.g. death for drug-trafficking). Google for information.

according to statistics, the murder/homicide rate of Malaysia is around 2.5 per 100,000. maybe we need more 'draconian' laws around here.

 

[tvarad]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Bizzare. Ive drank beer and gin with Malaysian women in Kuala Lumur, and this happend just north of there. Bizzare. I think theres more to it than just drinking beer.

One of the tragedies of modern democratic principles applied to third world and emerging democracies has been that parties try to gain power not by being more progressive but by trying to prove, for example, they are more tribal, nationalist, religious, ethnic or any other feeling that runs deep in that society than those with more progressive ideas. This presents a Hobsonian choice to mainstream parties since they cannot put up a much of a fight without fear of being labelled traitor, apostate etc.. This probably falls under that example. The Islamists will probably label anyone who opposes this punishment as "unIslamic". Even this would be fine if it did not involve making an example out of someone who was just doing what is considered normal everywhere else.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: tvarad

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Bizzare. Ive drank beer and gin with Malaysian women in Kuala Lumur, and this happend just north of there. Bizzare. I think theres more to it than just drinking beer.

One of the tragedies of modern democratic principles applied to third world and emerging democracies has been that parties try to gain power not by being more progressive but by trying to prove, for example, they are more tribal, nationalist, religious, ethnic or any other feeling that runs deep in that society than those with more progressive ideas. This presents a Hobsonian choice to mainstream parties since they cannot put up a much of a fight without fear of being labelled traitor, apostate etc.. This probably falls under that example. The Islamists will probably label anyone who opposes this punishment as "unIslamic". Even this would be fine if it did not involve making an example out of someone who was just doing what is considered normal everywhere else.

I agree with you although I think you missed my point. Or I missed yours. Or something.

 

[rchiu]

First, the caning was postponed so you don't know if it will actually happen. Second, the reason it was postponed is because that some people in Malaysia actually recognize this is total bullshit and is trying to find a solution. Third, just because one judge had a bad day and made a boneheaded call doesn't mean the entire nations support it.

So don't be so quick to bad mouth the entire nation just yet.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: bamacre
Yeah, here we just put people in jail for smoking pot.

Hypocrisy at it's finest, indeed.

Yes, that is almost the same thing.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: bamacre
Yeah, here we just put people in jail for smoking pot.

Hypocrisy at it's finest, indeed.

Yes, that is almost the same thing.

No, it's not the same thing. But why did the OP post the story? To show how barbaric, how authoritarian, a Muslim country can be? We're spending hundred of billions of dollars overseas "spreading freedom" and we're aren't even free here. I guess we can't lead by example, when we're not a good one.

 

[Mean MrMustard]

Originally posted by: tvarad

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Bizzare. Ive drank beer and gin with Malaysian women in Kuala Lumur, and this happend just north of there. Bizzare. I think theres more to it than just drinking beer.

One of the tragedies of modern democratic principles applied to third world and emerging democracies has been that parties try to gain power not by being more progressive but by trying to prove, for example, they are more tribal, nationalist, religious, ethnic or any other feeling that runs deep in that society than those with more progressive ideas. This presents a Hobsonian choice to mainstream parties since they cannot put up a much of a fight without fear of being labelled traitor, apostate etc.. This probably falls under that example. The Islamists will probably label anyone who opposes this punishment as "unIslamic". Even this would be fine if it did not involve making an example out of someone who was just doing what is considered normal everywhere else.

You think this only applies to third world countries or emerging democracies?

 

[rudder]

Thats what she gets for drinking it instead of getting it from the fridge for her husband.

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: Mean MrMustard

Originally posted by: tvarad

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Bizzare. Ive drank beer and gin with Malaysian women in Kuala Lumur, and this happend just north of there. Bizzare. I think theres more to it than just drinking beer.

One of the tragedies of modern democratic principles applied to third world and emerging democracies has been that parties try to gain power not by being more progressive but by trying to prove, for example, they are more tribal, nationalist, religious, ethnic or any other feeling that runs deep in that society than those with more progressive ideas. This presents a Hobsonian choice to mainstream parties since they cannot put up a much of a fight without fear of being labelled traitor, apostate etc.. This probably falls under that example. The Islamists will probably label anyone who opposes this punishment as "unIslamic". Even this would be fine if it did not involve making an example out of someone who was just doing what is considered normal everywhere else.

You think this only applies to third world countries or emerging democracies?

No, unfortunately, the paragraph above represents an accurate description of politics in just about any country you care to name.

 

[StageLeft]

And in America a guy was given 6 months in jail for yawning in court. Which, really, is worse?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: bamacre
Yeah, here we just put people in jail for smoking pot.

Hypocrisy at it's finest, indeed.

I'm pretty sure they put people in jail in Malaysia for smoking pot too. In fact, I recall a story from some years back where the Malaysian gov drug-tested a couple of citizens returning from an Australian vacation, they turned up positive tests, and spent 12 months in jail.

So hypocrisy? No, not really.

Bam was referring to the OP's hypocrisy, not Malaysia's. Muslim Malaysia canes people for drinking beer, Christian America jails people for smoking pot. What really is the difference? And I've never really understood why beating someone is supposed to be more barbaric than throwing them in a hole for months or years.

 

[Chunkee]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: bamacre
Yeah, here we just put people in jail for smoking pot.

Hypocrisy at it's finest, indeed.

Yes, that is almost the same thing.

No, it's not the same thing. But why did the OP post the story? To show how barbaric, how authoritarian, a Muslim country can be? We're spending hundred of billions of dollars overseas "spreading freedom" and we're aren't even free here. I guess we can't lead by example, when we're not a good one.

This is correct. /thread.

All the rest of you pointy headed momos, go theorize, pontificate and expend your pointy brain cells and concoct an explanation other than something simple.

 

[tvarad]

Originally posted by: Chunkee

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: bamacre
Yeah, here we just put people in jail for smoking pot.

Hypocrisy at it's finest, indeed.

Yes, that is almost the same thing.

No, it's not the same thing. But why did the OP post the story? To show how barbaric, how authoritarian, a Muslim country can be? We're spending hundred of billions of dollars overseas "spreading freedom" and we're aren't even free here. I guess we can't lead by example, when we're not a good one.

This is correct. /thread.

All the rest of you pointy headed momos, go theorize, pontificate and expend your pointy brain cells and concoct an explanation other than something simple.

The disembarkation card that you fill out when you land in Malaysia explicitly states "Death to drug traffickers". As I said, you would be lucky if you're just put in jail if you're caught with drugs. In comparison to the draconian drugs related laws of the countries of the far-east, those in the U.S. would be equivalent to a time-out for an errant 3 year old.

 

[Moonbeam]

When you want to believe something everything looks like proof.

 

[actuarial]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: bamacre
Yeah, here we just put people in jail for smoking pot.

Hypocrisy at it's finest, indeed.

Yes, that is almost the same thing.

No, it's not the same thing.

Why is a law against alcohol any different than a law against weed? I can't help but laugh at ANYONE who doesn't shout out against American drug laws but then are against Muslim nations' laws surrounding alcohol.

Personally, I would take a flogging over jail time ANY day, though I don't know the extent of the 'caning' to be done here.

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: bamacre
Yeah, here we just put people in jail for smoking pot.

Hypocrisy at it's finest, indeed.

Actually a better analogy would be Christians would be put in jail for smoking pot but non-Christians can go right ahead and light up.

Malaysia has a dual-track justice system, in which Islamic courts operate alongside civil courts in effect two justice systems, the reason this woman was arrested was because she was muslim and drinking beer not just because she was drinking beer.

And if any one thinks she can just change her religion, think again.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: actuarial

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: bamacre
Yeah, here we just put people in jail for smoking pot.

Hypocrisy at it's finest, indeed.

Yes, that is almost the same thing.

No, it's not the same thing.

Why is a law against alcohol any different than a law against weed? I can't help but laugh at ANYONE who doesn't shout out against American drug laws but then are against Muslim nations' laws surrounding alcohol.

Personally, I would take a flogging over jail time ANY day, though I don't know the extent of the 'caning' to be done here.

Where do you think American pot law ranks with the rest of the world?

I always hear this niave argument that we are the only country where pot is illegal.


The UN even stepped in on my state's lax MJ law:

http://www.boston.com/news/wor...uana_machines_illegal/