Malaysian airlines has lost a 777

[zinfamous]

Saw this theory posted by someone at reddit a few days ago, but never really took it seriously....but now...

http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/p...ysian-airlines-370-disappear-using-sia68-sq68

Edit: Here's the original reddit theory comment:
http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/20dopw/comprehensive_timeline_malaysia_airlines_flight/cg2uht6

wow. Very 24ish.

Only problem is that no one will believe Chloe and only Jack Bauer has the skills to sneak into Turkmenistan and recover the plane and hostages. The two will have to go dark, of course, but at least CTU has all of the proper satellites and drones at their disposal.

 

[Kaido]

more and more I am convinced that this was a KGB diversion to keep the world distracted while Russians in Crimea vote to join Russia as part of Putin's goal to remake the USSR.

The Baltics are now shivering in their boots (in fact, the local government of Riga has been in control of ex-soviets for about 4 years now). We shall see.

:hmm:

You know...that would make sense. Putin's a pretty sneaky dude. Apparently he's been playing a lot of video games lately:

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/did-a-decade-old-flight-simulator-predict-the-invasion-1535619213

 

[brainhulk]

Now i'm thinking the pilot made a ransom demand over the air to the Malaysian government to free the opposition leader in return for the passengers. Malaysia said go fuck yourself and he said, ok later.

I bet he rehearsed this on his home simulator at home too.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

more and more I am convinced that this was a KGB diversion to keep the world distracted while Russians in Crimea vote to join Russia as part of Putin's goal to remake the USSR.

The Baltics are now shivering in their boots (in fact, the local government of Riga has been in control of ex-soviets for about 4 years now). We shall see.

:hmm:

Putin does seem to be the main beneficiary of this story (on the other hand, Gary Condit benefited greatly from 9/11, but that doesn't mean he was responsible for it).

 

[eng2d2]

The only thing I can think of is that he had some serious problems in his personal life (perhaps society pressure from the "disgraceful" pictures of the girls in the cockpit or whatever) and wanted to give his family a shameless "out". If he intentionally crashed out in the ocean, it's going to take forever and a day to find that airplane & try to piece together what really happened from the black box. I mean, it took like two years to find Air France and we had more tracking data for that, right? Now you're into a search field half the size of the United States, good luck finding it out there!

I'd like to believe that it landed somewhere and they were held hostage, but the coordination on that would be absolutely unbelievable, especially given how much communications technology people have. Even if they stripped everyone from their cell phones, people still leave cell phones in their bags & stuff, which could be pinpointed using GPS technology.

I'm guessing that the co-pilot took out the pilot & turned off the transponders, but continued flying for hours (into the middle of nowhere) without alerting the passengers, and then nosedived into the ocean. That way no one would suspect what was happening (it all looks the same from the air) and no one would have a chance to make an emergency call before they crashed (and would also be far out of range of any cell phone towers, especially if the co-pilot turned off the satellite communications systems).

I'm assuming it was either the pilot or co-pilot took the action, because not one person onboard made an emergency distress call, so they probably never suspected what was going on. And again, if it had been a systems problem with the airplane itself, why turn off the ACARS and then turn off the transponder, and THEN turn off course, and then keep flying for hours?

If its in the water shouldn't the cell phone of passengers stop ringing? In other words go directly to vm.

 

[Kaido]

If its in the water shouldn't the cell phone of passengers stop ringing? In other words go directly to vm.

One of the articles said that they interviewed some telco guy & they said not necessarily (since some of the cell phones kept ringing).

 

[sactoking]

So it's shameful to commit suicide but less shameful to murder 200+ people while committing suicide?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

If its in the water shouldn't the cell phone of passengers stop ringing? In other words go directly to vm.

Cell phones companies put a ringing tone to you as they search for the phone to connect to. Hasn't nothing to do with whether the phone is on that you are calling. It's just to avoid dead air and tell you something is going on.

 

[Mark R]

One of the articles said that they interviewed some telco guy & they said not necessarily (since some of the cell phones kept ringing).

In general not. If the network knows that the phone is switched off (e.g. because you pressed the power button, which causes the phone to transmit a "powering down" signal), then most networks will send incoming calls straight to VM.

If instead, the phone simply goes out of service, or aircraft mode is activated, or the battery is taken out, or the phone is destroyed (so that the network never gets a "powering down" signal) then the network will try a search for the phone. This can take a while, and so the network generates a ring tone for the caller so that the caller knows that something is happening, rather than just give silence.

 

[ElFenix]

people still leave cell phones in their bags & stuff, which could be pinpointed using GPS technology.

that's not how GPS works.



the cell phone thing may be the most interesting. it only takes one person leaving their phone on and it connecting to a tower to give the world a nice big fat clue. you'd have to have more than just the pilot in on the plot (he's too busy flying tight behind SQ68) - someone would need to be collecting phones from throughout the cabin and maybe the luggage hold.

going with russian special forces.

 

[ghost recon88]

Saw this theory posted by someone at reddit a few days ago, but never really took it seriously....but now...

http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/p...ysian-airlines-370-disappear-using-sia68-sq68

Edit: Here's the original reddit theory comment:
http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/20dopw/comprehensive_timeline_malaysia_airlines_flight/cg2uht6

Wow that actually makes sense. It's crazy to think of how close it would have had to have been to the SIA68 to appear as one blip on the radar.

 

[TerryMathews]

Wow that actually makes sense. It's crazy to think of how close it would have had to have been to the SIA68 to appear as one blip on the radar.

Most of these "radars" aren't actually radars but are instead transponder receivers.

 

[shocksyde]

I'm sure it's been brought up already, but....

Is there any reason black boxes couldn't be advanced to the point that they send their info to an outside source? We'd never have to worry about finding them to figure out what the F happened in plane crashes.

 

[TangoJuliet]

The SIA68 theory is almost next to impossible. I'd score it as low as possible on the probability meter

 

[ghost recon88]

The SIA68 theory is almost next to impossible. I'd score it as low as possible on the probability meter

Why?

 

[_Rick_]

Most of these "radars" aren't actually radars but are instead transponder receivers.

Not the military installations.
And I'm convinced you can't hide a 777 from them. Not in the shadow of another 777. Probably not even behind an A380.
And certainly not with the other plane not noticing it. There would be noise, turbulence, and visual clues, especially from the passengers, unless they were riding at exactly 6 hours, where they'd face quite a lot of turbulence from the leading plane, which is quite difficult, though a big plane might not be as sensitive.

Still, mil RADAR should be able to tell one incoming bomber from two, so they should be able to tell one 777 from a pair of them. Of course, they might not monitor their search radar very closely in times of peace, but a blip without a transponder should light up, normally. Now, if indeed they were sticking to another plane, the double echo might look like a glitch, and not ring alarms right away, but a search in the logs should make it show up as suspicious.

 

[Kaido]

that's not how GPS works.

Well just look at all of the legal methods that you can get through government requests - Find my iPhone? Android Device Manager? AccuTracking? I'm sure they can get the information if they want to through triangulation & other measures.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/07/opinion/crump-gps/

 

[88keys]

I suppose one could call it unlikely that a 777 could be commandeered by a rogue pilot or hijackers. But then again how unlikely is it that a 777 would disappear without a trace for what has now been 10 days.

I hope air traffic controllers and aerospace defense all over the world are keeping an eye out for anything 'strange'.

 

[Miramonti]

Seems like a lotta work just to fatally drop a plane in the ocean.

 

[rudeguy]

Seems like a lotta work just to fatally drop a plane in the ocean.

Nothing about this makes sense. An equipment problem makes sense but it's not plausible.

Where the hell did this plane go?

 

[88keys]

If the plane had been weaponized with Nukes. The only challenge is to get it in the target nation's airspace somehow.... And what the fuck do they do if that happens?


Unlikely scenario. Gonna put my tin foil hat away for awhile.

 

[parfemit]

This just seems as a big cover-up. A plane this big can not just dissappear...

 

[chowderhead]

Not the military installations.
And I'm convinced you can't hide a 777 from them. Not in the shadow of another 777. Probably not even behind an A380.
And certainly not with the other plane not noticing it. There would be noise, turbulence, and visual clues, especially from the passengers, unless they were riding at exactly 6 hours, where they'd face quite a lot of turbulence from the leading plane, which is quite difficult, though a big plane might not be as sensitive.

Still, mil RADAR should be able to tell one incoming bomber from two, so they should be able to tell one 777 from a pair of them. Of course, they might not monitor their search radar very closely in times of peace, but a blip without a transponder should light up, normally. Now, if indeed they were sticking to another plane, the double echo might look like a glitch, and not ring alarms right away, but a search in the logs should make it show up as suspicious.

It would also take a lot of precision in timing to track that one specific flight. Any delays on the ground or in the air would ruin the plan. Otherwise, someone on the ground is tracking scores of flights to give the pilot the information and coordinates. This would be like a Tom Clancy novel.

 

[TangoJuliet]

Why?

Pretty much what Rick says above. I'm not sure about in Asia but the US NAS has a certain set of procedures and guidelines to follow with lost aircraft. I'm sure Asia/Euro Control have similar procedures if not the same. I can't get into specifics, sorry.

To be able to meet up with SIA68 the pilot(s) would have needed to flown that route hundreds of times and even then it would be very difficult to meet up at a particular fix. There are hundreds of factors that could impact the time - the planes push back late, they are sequenced for departure late, etc etc. However, if by slim chance this was the plan then its possible MH370 would have to "hold" which would have made them somewhat detectable.

Lets just say all of these improbable factors align - MH370 would have to be lower and behind SIA68 to avoid being seen and to avoid the wake turbulence generated by them. Even with the transponder off the TCAS on SIA68 would detect it.....unless they were really low. So lets just say they were 10,000 feet below, behind and were following SIA68 - the amount of fuel burn flying that low would greatly impact their range.

Like I said its not impossible - a ton of factors have to go right which just make it highly unlikely.

 

[tynopik]

And certainly not with the other plane not noticing it. There would be noise, turbulence, and visual clues, especially from the passengers, unless they were riding at exactly 6 hours, where they'd face quite a lot of turbulence from the leading plane, which is quite difficult, though a big plane might not be as sensitive.

If the passengers had already been asphyxiated they wouldn't notice any turbulence