Malaysian airlines has lost a 777

[RampantAndroid]

They have a semi-update on the flight path:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/18/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1



So if this information is to be believed:

1. Turned left over the water, while in Vietnam's airspace
2. Climbed to 39,00 feet (41k max safe ceiling), for 20 minutes
3. Then it began to descend

Most obvious answer would be some sort of terrorist act, or one of the pilots taking some kind of action. But who knows...it turned off the flight path & flew really high for awhile. Also, the search cost is said to be insane:

Isn't this old news?

 

[cabri]

Isn't this old news?

Flight path has previously been reported.

The info on the ELTs is the first that I have noticed.
4 and not one went off.

Difficult to disable all at any single time in flight.

If it is true, the defective maintenance across the board (doubtful) or removed for inspection and not replaced (screwup on maintenance procedures-again not likely) or the info is from someone talking out his ass.

 

[LTC8K6]

The elt info is incorrect. There is only one fixed elt designed to go off during s crash. It is mounted in the rear of the plane. It is designed to work in a crash on land, but could work in a water crash.

The rest of the elts are portable or attached to the slides rafts. Those all need to be activated manually, or by water immersion. The number of these varies.

Elts do not work at all under water. They must float on the surface to be heard.

It is not the least bit surprising that no elt was heard, imo.

 

[John Connor]

The ELT is turned off/on by just a toggle switch. Not that hard to do.

 

[_Rick_]

Hmm, it looks to me like explosive depressurization, combined with damage to electronics and leak hydraulics.

At first the pilots turn back and decend with the aircraft.
Then the loss of hydraulics causes the airplane to climb again when the rear elevator makes it pitch up, the crew does not throttle back, because they'd risk stalling, so they climb until they reach an altitude where they level out. They still have limited instruments and are running out of oxygen, and have no comms. They make a final left turn maneuver to attempt to turn back over Malaysia (main wing pitch controls still work?). Eventually they either run out of oxygen or freeze to death.
The high thrust needed to climb to 390 is maintained to prevent the plane from stalling, and explains why the plane was moving faster than normally.

This at least is the Occam's Razor theory: Every aspect of the known data fits, and explosive depressurization is one of the most common causes of mid-flight accidents, especially when engine accidents can be disregarded.

 

[cabri]

The flight path accuracy does not seem reasonable w/ respect to emergency actions taken by the flight crew unless there was a explosion 2-3 hours into the flight after the original deviate and the flight was heading NW after crossing the Straights of Malaysia.

 

[Fern]

Hmm, it looks to me like explosive depressurization, combined with damage to electronics and leak hydraulics.

At first the pilots turn back and decend with the aircraft.
Then the loss of hydraulics causes the airplane to climb again when the rear elevator makes it pitch up, the crew does not throttle back, because they'd risk stalling, so they climb until they reach an altitude where they level out. They still have limited instruments and are running out of oxygen, and have no comms. They make a final left turn maneuver to attempt to turn back over Malaysia (main wing pitch controls still work?). Eventually they either run out of oxygen or freeze to death.
The high thrust needed to climb to 390 is maintained to prevent the plane from stalling, and explains why the plane was moving faster than normally.

This at least is the Occam's Razor theory: Every aspect of the known data fits, and explosive depressurization is one of the most common causes of mid-flight accidents, especially when engine accidents can be disregarded.

What would be a single event that causes "explosive depressurization, damage to electronics and leak hydraulics"?

Or, are you speculating a fluster cluck of unrelated problems that occurred nearly simultaneously and overcame the much touted redundancy of this aircraft?

Also, I would echo the above poster's comments regarding the apparent precision of flight deviations designed to avoid radar contact.

I have listened to any number of aviation experts, many numerous times, over the past 6 weeks or so and my take-away is that there is no plausible explanation that fits every data point. For every theory offered there has always been some contradicting bit of data. I believe Occam's Razor says we've got some incorrect data; the question being which data?

Fern

 

[Cr0nJ0b]

My theory: One of the pilots decided to take his life with everyone on the plane. He's calm and completely focused. He waits till they reach the last call before switching to a new tower control. Kills the co-pilot. then runs around and switches off all of the electronics tracking he can reach. Then takes the plane up to 36K and depressurizes. I heard that they can shut off the cabin masks...but I may be wrong. My thought is if he can do this slowly enough the lack of oxygen would gradually put people to sleep before they die. He then sets the autopilot for the middle of nowhere, so there will be no evidence and joins the rest of the passengers in a final rest. Plane tracks the pilots course until finally running out of fuel and crashing.

Alternatively it was the work of some government to steal a top nuclear scientist.

Or...aliens.

 

[BeeBoop]

They went back in time and built the pyramids.

 

[LTC8K6]

The emergency masks cannot be disabled. They last less than 15 minutes, though.

The cabin crew has at least an hour of bottled oxygen available at their stations, and more like 2 hours, depending on their activity level.

They also have several portable oxygen bottles available to them, if they need to move around.

The whole plane will know about a slow depressurization in time to get on oxygen. The monitoring and warning systems would have to fail for this to go unnoticed.

An explosive depressurization, such as a windshield failure at 35K feet, they would be lucky to survive that.

Or an intentional fast depressurization, by the pilot manually opening the valves and turning off bleed air from the engines...

 

[LTC8K6]

The ELT is turned off/on by just a toggle switch. Not that hard to do.

There's no off switch, iirc. ON/ARMED/RESET are the switch positions.

In any case, 9M-MRO apparently did not have the optional cockpit ELT control panel. It's ELT was apparently always armed, and triggered only by a high G incident.

Photos of the cockpit of 9M-MRO apparently do not show any ELT panel.

 

[Kaido]

They may have found it:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/malaysi...ance-wreckage-of-a-commercial-airliner-found/

Although it's thousands of miles from the current search area:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/29/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html

 

[Hugo Drax]

They found traces of magnesium, sodium,chlorine,iron and other elements in the ocean. Elements used in the building of the 777.

Hummm.

 

[_Rick_]

That "proprietary technology" sounds a lot like magic. With the long, but still limited range of the ultra sound pingers of the black boxes being detected in the vicinity of the current search area, I think this is nothing more than a PR exercise, to grab some free publicity.

Even the images don't show anything that looks like a crashed airliner, unless it pulled off a perfect water emergency landing, and then sank to the bottom of the sea. Given the flight profile this sounds unreasonable to believe.

Here's a discussion on how credible they are as a source (not very.)
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/du...onance-believes-it-may-have-found-mh370.3558/

 

[Fern]

I know nothing of their claimed technology. But I suspect unless their claims can be forcefully rebutted the search authority is going to face pressure to check out that site. If floating debris had been found near Australia it would be another matter, but as of now they've got zilch.

And if their technology is bogus this will be biggest publicity stunt backfire in history.

Fern

 

[cabri]

I know nothing of their claimed technology. But I suspect unless their claims can be forcefully rebutted the search authority is going to face pressure to check out that site. If floating debris had been found near Australia it would be another matter, but as of now they've got zilch.

And if their technology is bogus this will be biggest publicity stunt backfire in history.

Fern

At least they will have an exact area to direct the search. The coordinates of the picture will be known to with a couple of km.

A helo with a dunking MAD should be able to be over that area with 24-48 hours.

 

[Mark R]

They may have found it:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/malaysi...ance-wreckage-of-a-commercial-airliner-found/

That's got to be a joke. I mean, really.

I took a look at their website: link. I could practically feel brain cells dying in agony from the mumbo-jumbo woo-woo BS there.

Interestingly, on their "projects" page, they talk about their success in finding the Ukranian War Hospital ship "Armenia", that was sunk by a torpedo in 1941. They claim to have discovered the wreck in 2005 in the Black Sea.

I'm guessing that must be a different Ukranian War Hospital ship "Armenia" that was allegedly torpedoed in 1941 in the black sea, the location of which is still unknown and a number of salvage and exploration teams continue to search for it to this day. Link

 

[Jodell88]

They may have found it:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/malaysi...ance-wreckage-of-a-commercial-airliner-found/

Although it's thousands of miles from the current search area:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/29/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html

 

[PG]

Quote of the day:

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/654...ht-mh-370-search-to-get-meeting-on-next-step/


Malaysian Defense Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said that the challenges were huge but he told reporters, ” I believe we will find MH370 sooner or later.”

 

[lozina]

Images from the claim by the company GeoResonance of finding the wreckage in Bay of Benagal:

Whats wrong with this picture?

It indicates the plane is fully in tact. What are the chances of that?

It would have had to gentled glided on to the surface of the water and then sank without breaking apart...

I bet all they did is catch the result of a 777 in mid flight!!!

 

[Kaido]

Images from the claim by the company GeoResonance of finding the wreckage in Bay of Benagal:

Whats wrong with this picture?

It indicates the plane is fully in tact. What are the chances of that?

It would have had to gentled glided on to the surface of the water and then sank without breaking apart...

I bet all they did is catch the result of a 777 in mid flight!!!

That was my first thought as well...how would it (1) crash into the water without breaking up, and (2) sit on the bottom of the ocean floor perfectly intact?

 

[Fern]

-snip-

It indicates the plane is fully in tact. What are the chances of that?

I've always thought the chances of that were rather slim. However, after searching for about 2 months and finding no debris I'd say they're improving.

Fern

 

[John Connor]

Miracle on the Hudson anyone?

 

[LTC8K6]

Images from the claim by the company GeoResonance of finding the wreckage in Bay of Benagal:

Whats wrong with this picture?

It indicates the plane is fully in tact. What are the chances of that?

It would have had to gentled glided on to the surface of the water and then sank without breaking apart...

I bet all they did is catch the result of a 777 in mid flight!!!

They didn't do much at all. They are publicity seekers trying to promote their fake hocus pocus "technology".

 

[LTC8K6]

Miracle on the Hudson anyone?

Not a chance, and the miracle plane was badly damaged even with the well controlled ditching on calm waters.

http://static4.businessinsider.com/...some-impact-damage-to-fuselage-underbelly.jpg