Malaysian airlines has lost a 777

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John Connor

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The plane was largely intact, did you not see it on the news. It didn't even sink untill sometime after. Usually planes that ditch in the water come apart.
 

BUTCH1

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Not a chance, and the miracle plane was badly damaged even with the well controlled ditching on calm waters.

http://static4.businessinsider.com/...some-impact-damage-to-fuselage-underbelly.jpg

Yup, good point, that's the damage that happened after a "best possible circumstances" ditching, since the MAL 777 was flying at night, over the open ocean I highly doubt it stayed in one piece, as for the company that is claiming to have found it their website is a boat-load of hot air, they say many words without actually telling anyone how their "technology" actually works, here's an example of their tech-babble,
"GeoResonance combines over 20 technologies and know-hows into one patented methodology. The application of so many technologies requires specific skill-sets and state-of-art equipment."
Yea, ok, that explains zero about how they actually find anything LOL.
 

Mark R

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"GeoResonance combines over 20 technologies and know-hows into one patented methodology. The application of so many technologies requires specific skill-sets and state-of-art equipment."
Yea, ok, that explains zero about how they actually find anything LOL.

Over on metabunk, someone claims to have found the "secret" patents by the founder of georesonance. Link

These basically all look like cold-war Soviet nonsense; bizzare claims, filled with all the buzzwords of the Soviet era - nuclear reactors, Tesla-esque electrical apparatus, etc.

E.g. You take a satellite photograph of the survey area. You place the photograph in a nuclear reactor and expose it to neutron radiation and gamma rays from irradiating the element of interest. You then take the irradiated photograph and rephotograph it with a "kirlian photography" apparatus. The "aura" captured by the Kirlian will then show the location of your substance of interest.

For example: this is a brochure from a Slovenian company for whom the Georesonance founder also worked and basically cites the same patents and same method, which explains the technique: Link.

Apparently, there are literally dozens of crazy Russian geologists who occasionally pop-up and troll oil/gas/mineral/venture capital for survey business; and they all seem to come up with similar batshit schemes.
 

LegendKiller

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So I wonder if there's any teeth to the story of several governments arresting A-Q terrorists and questioning them about the plane. There is also still a couple tons of items missing from the officially released cargo manifest.
 

K1052

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It is highly dependent on the speed/angle of the aircraft and the water conditions. Ditching on a nice calm river with an ideal approach means the odds are favorable to keep the aircraft intact and that most if not all of the passengers will live. Ditching in open ocean with significant waves means contact with the water will be uneven and the airframe will break up under the stress.
 
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BUTCH1

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Over on metabunk, someone claims to have found the "secret" patents by the founder of georesonance. Link

These basically all look like cold-war Soviet nonsense; bizzare claims, filled with all the buzzwords of the Soviet era - nuclear reactors, Tesla-esque electrical apparatus, etc.

E.g. You take a satellite photograph of the survey area. You place the photograph in a nuclear reactor and expose it to neutron radiation and gamma rays from irradiating the element of interest. You then take the irradiated photograph and rephotograph it with a "kirlian photography" apparatus. The "aura" captured by the Kirlian will then show the location of your substance of interest.

For example: this is a brochure from a Slovenian company for whom the Georesonance founder also worked and basically cites the same patents and same method, which explains the technique: Link.

Apparently, there are literally dozens of crazy Russian geologists who occasionally pop-up and troll oil/gas/mineral/venture capital for survey business; and they all seem to come up with similar batshit schemes.

Yea, when they claimed to have found kerosene (jet fuel) from satellite imaging that made me LOL, in 15Kft deep water no less!, I'm sure that the remaining fuel was dispersed rather quickly by the raging ocean in that part of the sea.
 

skyking

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It takes very little oil to make a visible slick, BUT you can only spot those on calm waters. Good luck with that in the open ocean.
I did S & R flights here in Washington, and a submerged town with a little fuel left in the tanks still makes a slick visible from the air.
 

BUTCH1

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It takes very little oil to make a visible slick, BUT you can only spot those on calm waters. Good luck with that in the open ocean.
I did S & R flights here in Washington, and a submerged town with a little fuel left in the tanks still makes a slick visible from the air.

Yea, and they've been searching well south of where this "imaging" was supposedly done so any oil would have dispersed by now.
 

Ns1

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Jun 17, 2001
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oops

CNN) -- The four acoustic pings at the center of the search for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 for the past seven weeks are no longer believed to have come from the plane's black boxes, a U.S. Navy official told CNN.

The acknowledgment came Wednesday as searchers wrapped up the first phase of their effort, having scanned 329 square miles of southern Indian Ocean floor without finding any wreckage from the Boeing 777-200.

Authorities now almost universally believe the pings did not come from the onboard data or cockpit voice recorders, but instead came from some other man-made source unrelated to the jetliner that disappeared on March 8, according to Michael Dean, the Navy's deputy director of ocean engineering.

If the pings had come from the recorders, searchers would have found them, he said

Dean said "yes" when asked if other countries involved in the search had reached the same conclusions.

"Our best theory at this point is that (the pings were) likely some sound produced by the ship ... or within the electronics of the Towed Pinger Locator," Dean said.

The pinger locator was used by searchers to listen for underwater signals.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/28/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-pinging/index.html
 
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Not really an oops because the only reason they all believe it wasn't from the black boxes is because they simply didn't find the plane, not that they messed up the original analysis.
 

Fern

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Not really an oops because the only reason they all believe it wasn't from the black boxes is because they simply didn't find the plane, not that they messed up the original analysis.

IMO they need to back and carefully re-examine all their original data, including the satellite stuff.

And I have problem believing that the Towed Pinger Locator or the ship towing it made those pings. If the Towed Pinger Locator itself make pings like a black box it would be worthless. And I have trouble believing they didn't test out the ship beforehand to make sure it didn't throw off fake pings.

It also seems to me if it was the Towed Pinger Locator or the ship they have received many many false positives.

I don't think any of the pings they found were in the proper acoustic range anyways.

It appears that they are now back to square 1.

Fern
 

Kaido

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Missing Malaysia Jet on Autopilot, Possibly Spiraled Before Crash, Investigators Say:

http://abcnews.go.com/International...topilot-crash-investigators/story?id=24312044

After analyzing data between the plane and a satellite, officials believe Flight 370 was on autopilot the entire time it was flying across a vast expanse of the southern Indian Ocean until it ran out of fuel, Australian Transport Safety Bureau chief commissioner Martin Dolan said.

"Certainly for its path across the Indian Ocean, we are confident that the aircraft was operating on autopilot until it ran out of fuel," Dolan told reporters in Canberra.

The assumption is that the autopilot was manually switched on, rather than activated automatically under a default setting, Dolan said. Authorities still aren't sure when the Boeing 777 began running on autopilot.

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The 58-page report released today is intended to explain the various ways the plane might have flown to predict where it wound up in the ocean. Such predictions provide some reasonable search boundaries after lengthy, expensive and, so far, unsuccessful previous searches by air and sea.

The report does suggest that one particular scenario, an incapacitated cockpit crew suffering from the effects of hypoxia, is the "best fit" for the available evidence for the final period of the flight because, like MH 370, previous accidents resulting from a loss of aircraft pressurization also resulted in a loss of radio communication, a long period without any maneuvering of the airplane and a steady cruise and descent with fuel exhaustion.

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Using probabilities, Dolan said that there was a 1 to 5 percent chance that the ships might discover the wreckage of MH 370 during the mapping process.
 

Markbnj

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No updated news on this missing jumbo-liner?

There was some news today. Google around. Apparently a bunch of new sonar search assets have been brought in and they are narrowing in on a patch of sea where they feel the jet must be. It's not breaking news, but it sounds like they are making some progress.
 

Scarpozzi

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There was some news today. Google around. Apparently a bunch of new sonar search assets have been brought in and they are narrowing in on a patch of sea where they feel the jet must be. It's not breaking news, but it sounds like they are making some progress.
I read somewhere that they ruled out the Dead Sea and the northern Hudson river between Newcomb and Hudson Falls.

...At least it's progress.
 

CZroe

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Score!

Well, I was digging around in the back yard this morning when my shovel hit something that felt like a rock. I dug around a little and it turned out that it was the right-side aileron of a Boeing 777-200ER! A little more digging (and Wikipedia) revealed the vertical stabilizer and enough of the tail section to identify "9M-MRO."

Any news org want the scoop? I can also tell you about Apple's new Wave charge technology and Ebola-contaminated phones.

Where is this plane?

Right here, buddy.
 
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