Malaysian airlines has lost a 777

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Press conference is about to start. Suspect they will clarify that confirmed hijacking is Malay for we don't have a fucking clue what we are doing.
 

MaxFusion16

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i don't understand why some of you refuse to believe that this aircraft was hijacked, most probably by one of the pilots. Even in the face of mounting evidence that this was a deliberate incident, you guys cling on to the unlikeliest chain of failures that could be attributed to mechanical failure.

face it, at this point, the simplest and most likely explanation is hijack by crew.
 
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I think at this point few people question whether this was a deliberate action. The Malaysian officials handling of it however seem a big source of ridicule by posters, world governments etc...
 

phucheneh

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i don't understand why some of you refuse to believe that this aircraft was hijacked, most probably by one of the pilots. Even in the face of mounting evidence that this was a deliberate incident, you guys cling on to the unlikeliest chain of failures that could be attributed to mechanical failure.

face it, at this point, the simplest and most likely explanation is hijack by crew.

Define 'refuse to believe that it was hijacked'? I don't doubt the possibility, but you're not implying it actually LANDED somewhere, are you?

I think we may never know what events lead up to the final cause of the crash. All I'm willing to guess is that it did indeed crash into the ocean. Whether it was on purpose (suicide or other craziness-fueled event), an accident (pilot errors, fight for control, lack of flying aptitude by a hijacker...), or whether someone's military knocked it out of the sky...it came down. Hard.
 

MaxFusion16

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Define 'refuse to believe that it was hijacked'? I don't doubt the possibility, but you're not implying it actually LANDED somewhere, are you?

I think we may never know what events lead up to the final cause of the crash. All I'm willing to guess is that it did indeed crash into the ocean. Whether it was on purpose (suicide or other craziness-fueled event), an accident (pilot errors, fight for control, lack of flying aptitude by a hijacker...), or whether someone's military knocked it out of the sky...it came down. Hard.

I don't know if it landed or not, but I'm willing to bet the hijacker(s) had a plan, and that plan didn't involve crashing it into the ocean. Why go through so much trouble to avoid radar and then crash it in the Indian ocean, what difference does it make, why not just crash it right away if the purpose is to kill everyone on-board.
 
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Jesus Christ. Now it was either in an area from Kazakhstan/Turkmenistan border to northern Thailand OR between Indonesia and the southern Indian Ocean.
 

uclaLabrat

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All of the 'facts' about how long it flew seem to be contradictory bullshit. No one knows how long it was in the air.

With the way info has been 'reported' on this, I flat out do not even trust that these are valid numbers based on real evidence. Let alone that said evidence would be be 100% conclusive proof that the plane was flying.

The thing I believe the most is that there was notable seismic activity after communication was lost. In an area where there are no fault lines in the ocean floor. I.e. that bitch slammed into the water at 500mph and fucking disintegrated.
You think there's no fault lines in the southern part of the ring of fire? Are you high?

http://tsunamiphysics.wikispaces.com/file/view/fig1-3a.gif/215761410/fig1-3a.gif
 

MaxFusion16

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it's still pretty far fetched. where exactly do they land? they need y'know, runways and stuff.

so they flew over land to crash? I don't know where they landed or if they landed, just saying that the hijackers must've thought this out.
 

Svnla

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I want to remind everyone that this 777 plane is a HUGE one. Nine (9) seats across in three (3) sections (economy section - the largest section of the plane) and can hold several hundreds people. We are not talking about a little one like Cessna or even a Gulfstream jet here.

<conspiracy mode on>
 

Lifted

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I want to remind everyone that this 777 plane is a HUGE one. Nine (9) seats across in three (3) sections (economy section - the largest section of the plane) and can hold several hundreds people. We are not talking about a little one like Cessna or even a Gulfstream jet here.

I don't think it matters much if were dealing with a single engine Cessna or a 777 when the search area just became either a chunk of ocean half the size of the United States or any airport or runway in South and South East Asia.
 

norseamd

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conspiracy alert

i took a shit a while ago and one of the pieces of shit looked exactly like the malaysian peninsula. like the exact same shape.
 

tynopik

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Jon Ostrower &#8207;@jonostrower 1h (recognized media guy)

Correction: #MH370 was airborne and tracked by satellites for 7.5h, not 6.5h, after leaving Kuala Lumpur // Apologies (3 AM here in DC)


Flying With Fish &#8207;@flyingwithfish 8h (not as official)

@TheLeadCNN On Tuesday I started tweeting about cargo x-ray being down at KUL, now it seems only #MH370 pushed without its cargo screened

Flying With Fish &#8207;@flyingwithfish 12h

Trying to confirm the ULD containers on #MH370, the 772 holds 14 LD-3 containers, not all positions seem accounted for, according to DHS.


Flying With Fish &#8207;@flyingwithfish 1h

Folks, this is how I arrived at my *GUESSTIMATE* based on info of where #MH370 ended, with the help of some experts. pic.twitter.com/oVhSU9cOAs




Flying With Fish &#8207;@flyingwithfish 1h

RT @303dk: @nihonmama we have a time and range. 3675 miles in 7.5 hours, I think. too late at night for math @flyingwithfish (math is hard)


Flying With Fish &#8207;@flyingwithfish 1h

RT @varifrank: @flyingwithfish http://bit.ly/1glxfCb start looking for a 6k ft runway with a hangar. (Esfahan Int’l has 2 14,425ft runways)
 

tynopik

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from nm2582 at airliners.net

To address the questions of how the plane could fly so far into the northern corridor without being detected...here is a thought.

I know that it's the stuff of movies, but there is solid science that two aircraft flying closely together can appear as one single radar blip. If you have the expertise to turn off acars and transponder and whatever else, then turning off TCAS can't be any harder, right?

If you go back to FlightRadar24, and look for a flight that MH370 could have shadowed...there is at least one possibility.

Take a look at KL836 and consider this timeline:

1:21am: MH370 transponder shut down
1:51am: KL836 departs Singapore for Amsterdam, with an initial flight path going NW up the Malacca strait.
2:15am: military radar sees MH370 approximately 200 miles NW of Penang

At this point, KL836 is about 25 minutes "behind" MH370, assuming MH370 were on the same flight path. MH370 is practically directly in the flight path of KL836.

Presume then that MH370 flies slower while crossing the Bay of Bengal, and by the time they are back under primary radar coverage - MH370 is now carefully and closely trailing KL836, and flies onward across India, Pakistan and Afghanistan while doing so.

Also, remember the noise made about flying at 29,500 ft altitude? the KLM was at 30,000; 29,500 seems like a logical place to fly if you intend to meet up with someone at 30,000 in the near future.

Finally - if you look at the departure times for that KLM flight on flightaware, it departed relatively late - it often departed 10-15 minutes earlier. MH370 was in the right place at the right time to follow KL836, with just enough time to spare in case KL836 took off earlier than typical.
 

MaxFusion16

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Jon Ostrower &#8207;@jonostrower 1h (recognized media guy)

Correction: #MH370 was airborne and tracked by satellites for 7.5h, not 6.5h, after leaving Kuala Lumpur // Apologies (3 AM here in DC)


Flying With Fish &#8207;@flyingwithfish 8h (not as official)

@TheLeadCNN On Tuesday I started tweeting about cargo x-ray being down at KUL, now it seems only #MH370 pushed without its cargo screened

Flying With Fish &#8207;@flyingwithfish 12h

Trying to confirm the ULD containers on #MH370, the 772 holds 14 LD-3 containers, not all positions seem accounted for, according to DHS.


Flying With Fish &#8207;@flyingwithfish 1h

Folks, this is how I arrived at my *GUESSTIMATE* based on info of where #MH370 ended, with the help of some experts. pic.twitter.com/oVhSU9cOAs




Flying With Fish &#8207;@flyingwithfish 1h

RT @303dk: @nihonmama we have a time and range. 3675 miles in 7.5 hours, I think. too late at night for math @flyingwithfish (math is hard)


Flying With Fish &#8207;@flyingwithfish 1h

RT @varifrank: @flyingwithfish http://bit.ly/1glxfCb start looking for a 6k ft runway with a hangar. (Esfahan Int’l has 2 14,425ft runways)

wonder what's in the cargo, gold? whatever it is, it was bound for Beijing, must be important.
 

Dari

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Wasn't there a terror attack in China last week where 29 people were slashed to death by Chinese Muslims? Isn't Malaysia a Muslim country? Isn't there an insurgency going on in southern Thailand involving Muslims? Would this be the same area? No? Then it's probably mechanical/pilot error.

I think, instead of just looking for this plane, investigators need to start looking deeper into everyone that was on that plane, starting with the pilots.

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Missing Malaysia Airlines plane 'deliberately diverted'
PreviousLatest Passengers' stories How planes are tracked Air mysteries What we know NextAdvertisementMalaysia's Prime Minister: "These movements are consistent with the deliberate action of someone on the plane"
Continue reading the main story MH370 mysteryWhat we know Search logistics Passport fraud The passengers
The communications systems of missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 were deliberately disabled, Malaysia's Prime Minister Najib Razak has said.

According to satellite and radar evidence, he said, the plane then changed course and could have continued flying for a further seven hours.

He said the "movements are consistent with the deliberate action of someone on the plane".

The plane disappeared a week ago with 239 people on board.

Mr Razak stopped short of saying it was a hijacking, saying only that they were investigating "all possibilities".

He said the plane could be anywhere from Kazakhstan to the Indian Ocean.

The developments have added further uncertainty to the relatives of the 239 people on board the Kuala Lumpur to Beijing flight.

Continue reading the main story AnalysisJonah Fisher BBC News, Kuala Lumpur
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For days the Malaysian authorities refused to confirm or deny the many rumours surrounding the fate of flight MH370.
They insisted that they were waiting to verify information before going public with anything. Those desperate for answers, not least the relatives of the passengers, complained that they must be hiding something.
Now, perhaps stung by criticism from China , Malaysia's PM has put what feels like close to everything on the table.
In a surprisingly open statement he explained what the investigators now believe is true, and the huge uncertainties that remain.
It is what many wish had been done from the start.
For many the idea that the plane might have crossed a large part of Asian airspace unnoticed is far-fetched.
But for now it seems to be the main theory being pursued.

Some in the Chinese capital said the news had made them more hopeful that their loved ones are alive, but one woman said they were on an emotional rollercoaster and she felt "helpless and frustrated".

'New phase'

The flight left Kuala Lumpur for Beijing at 00:40 local time (16:40 GMT) on 8 March and disappeared off air traffic controllers' screens at about 01:20.

Mr Razak told a news conference that new satellite evidence shows "with a high degree of certainty" that the one of the aircraft's communications systems - the Aircraft and Communications Addressing and Reporting System - was disabled just before it had reached the east coast of Malaysia.

ACARS is a service that allows computers aboard the plane to "talk" to computers on the ground, relaying in-flight information about the health of its systems.

Shortly afterwards, near the border between Malaysian and Vietnamese air traffic control, the plane's transponder - which emits an identifying signal - was switched off, he said.

According to a military radar, the aircraft then turned and flew back over Malaysia before heading in a north-west direction.

A satellite was able to pick up a signal from the plane until 08:11 local time - more than seven hours after it lost radar contact - although it was unable to give a precise location, Mr Razak said.

He went on to say that based on this new data, investigators "have determined the plane's last communication with a satellite was in one of two possible corridors":

Malaysia's Prime Minister: Authorities are now trying to trace the plane across two possible "corridors"

a northern corridor stretching from the border of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan through to northern Thailand
a southern corridor stretching from Indonesia to the southern Indian Ocean
The BBC's Jonah Fisher in Kuala Lumpur says investigators will now focus on trying to obtain the radar data from any of the countries the Boeing 777 may have passed over.

This could include Thailand, Myanmar, Nepal, Bangladesh, Bhutan, China, India and Pakistan.

Mr Razak said that in light of the new evidence, the investigation had "entered a new phase" and would focus on the crew and passengers on board.

Shortly after the news conference finished, Malaysian police searched the Kuala Lumpur home of the plane's pilot, 53-year-old Zaharie Ahmad Shah.

Continue reading the main story ACARS systemAircraft and Communications Addressing and Reporting System is a service that allows computers aboard the plane to "talk" to computers on the ground, relaying in-flight information about the health of its systems.Messages are transmitted either by radio or digital signals via satellites, and can cover anything from the status of the plane's engines to a faulty toilet.This provides ground crews with vital diagnostic information, allowing maintenance to be carried out more quickly.How do you track a plane?
Malaysia's prime minister confirmed much of what had been leaked to the media, from US agencies and satellite companies, in the last 48 hours.

His government had been facing severe criticism for not being more open about what it knows.

China - which had 153 citizens on board the flight - has urged Malaysia to continue providing it with "thorough and exact information" on the search, state news agency Xinhua said.

The foreign ministry said it was sending technical specialists to participate in the investigation, and appealed for the help of other countries and organisations.

Along with the Chinese passengers, there were 38 Malaysians and citizens of Iran, the US, Canada, Indonesia, Australia, India, France, New Zealand, Ukraine, Russia, Taiwan and the Netherlands on board.

An extensive search of the seas around Malaysia - involving 14 countries, 43 ships and 58 aircraft - since the plane disappeared had proved fruitless.

About damn time. Terror was on that flight, I believe.
 
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