Malaysian airlines has lost a 777

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88keys

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Perhaps relatively speaking it is a 'solid lead', but I haven't seen any reports on this on any mainstream news sites. Just tabloid oriented sites so far.

At this point in the search. I think a hijacking/theft of some nature is appearing to be a slightly more likely scenario.
 
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Bubbleawsome

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This has turned into quite an ongoing theme. I can't remember anything like this that has happened recently. Hoping for any positive that could come out of this.
 

Brian Stirling

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Long shot...

One or more hijackers were stowed on-board in the electronics bay below the flight deck. At some point after takeoff they began switching off communications and other electronics prompting the co-pilot to investigate opening the hatch to the electronics bay allowing the hijackers into the cockpit where they strugled but eventually killed the flight crew.

Next, passengers on-board come to the rescue as has apparently happened not long ago in China I believe and the hijackers are subdued or killed.

Now, someone of the passengers attempts the fly the plan but since the communications were turned off and they do not know how to turn back on they are flying blind. They know the flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing is roughly north east so they turn south west to return but are not where they think they are and wind up flying SW into nothingness.


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Brian Stirling

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One thing I'm puzzled by is the satellite data that describes a couple arcs where the plane was when it pinged last. I'm not puzzled by the limits of a single satellite but rather why they are only focused on the last ping. Shouldn't they be creating similar arc for ALL the pings? If the pings were at one hour intervals as I've heard they are then you could apply a little math to the arcs for all the pings and thereby determine a path.

Beginning with the first ping after the plane was lost and calculating the max and min distance the plane could have traveled between in that time they should be able determine a pretty accurate location on that first arc. Then, the second ping, an hour later, could only be so far away thereby limiting the size of the second arc. Continue this process for all pings and they should be able to determine the location of the final ping within 600 miles or maybe less.


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NoTine42

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One thing I'm puzzled by is the satellite data that describes a couple arcs where the plane was when it pinged last. I'm not puzzled by the limits of a single satellite but rather why they are only focused on the last ping. Shouldn't they be creating similar arc for ALL the pings? If the pings were at one hour intervals as I've heard they are then you could apply a little math to the arcs for all the pings and thereby determine a path.

Beginning with the first ping after the plane was lost and calculating the max and min distance the plane could have traveled between in that time they should be able determine a pretty accurate location on that first arc. Then, the second ping, an hour later, could only be so far away thereby limiting the size of the second arc. Continue this process for all pings and they should be able to determine the location of the final ping within 600 miles or maybe less.


Brian
Air speed <> ground speed

What if pilot knew of the satellite and flew out 4 pings, them back 1

It is odd the plane flew in a circle around a sat.
 

brainhulk

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Pilot was protesting the imprisonment of his opposition leader friend on false homosexuality charges. Also depressed from his family leaving him. He hijacks plane because he can't take it anymore.

Malaysian government is withholding information because they don't want the corruption of the imprisonment to be spotlighted

Or aliens
 

Legios

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My thing is wont passenger cell phones also be pinging towers if they had ever gotten close enough to towers to be picked up. You would have to know a flight path through all cell phone dead zones. Granted it is flying in SE Asia so id imagine there are deadzones everywhere.
 

hoorah

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My thing is wont passenger cell phones also be pinging towers if they had ever gotten close enough to towers to be picked up. You would have to know a flight path through all cell phone dead zones. Granted it is flying in SE Asia so id imagine there are deadzones everywhere.

I imagine that if someone did this intentionally and flew under radar to avoid detection, they'd probably try to round up passengers cell phones before hand and take the batteries out.

If one of the passengers was clever enough to conceal one, the people searching for the plane sure as heck wouldn't say "well we're actually still getting a cell signal from one of the passengers...." as the hijackers would look for it to disable it.

I think its entirely possible one of the cell towers got a ping, but they're keeping that info concealed.

What will be interesting is if any of the family members of the passengers on board have any kind of remote locators like "find my phone" or similar, and if that data gets out to the public.
 

hoorah

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If country A has blow in it up, I am betting it will NOT volunteer that information until forced by the country B, C or D.

Oh....THHAAAAAAAAAAT plane....I thought you were talking about something else. Sorry, yeah, now that I think about it we MAY have shot it down. Meant to tell you guys sooner but this week has just been crazy, you know?
 

Kaido

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Most current theory I heard:

1. Co-pilot had life issues (disgraced)
2. Decided on a "non-disgraceful" suicide
3. Took out the pilot in-flight, turned off the transponder, flew out into the ocean, sunk it

Makes sense given the current data.
 

ElFenix

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Most current theory I heard:

1. Co-pilot had life issues (disgraced)
2. Decided on a "non-disgraceful" suicide
3. Took out the pilot in-flight, turned off the transponder, flew out into the ocean, sunk it

Makes sense given the current data.

Doesn't really fit the flying for hours though. Unless maybe there was some auspicious time or event (sunrise?) To wait for.
 

Gunslinger08

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Most current theory I heard:

1. Co-pilot had life issues (disgraced)
2. Decided on a "non-disgraceful" suicide
3. Took out the pilot in-flight, turned off the transponder, flew out into the ocean, sunk it

Makes sense given the current data.

From what I've heard, Malays aren't into the whole "I disgraced my family" thing that's prevalent in other Asian cultures.
 

GagHalfrunt

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Most current theory I heard:

1. Co-pilot had life issues (disgraced)
2. Decided on a "non-disgraceful" suicide
3. Took out the pilot in-flight, turned off the transponder, flew out into the ocean, sunk it

Makes sense given the current data.

No it doesn't. If he seized control from the pilot why choose that flight path and use altitude changes to hide from radar?

The only thing that makes sense given the current data is that the plane is intact and landed somewhere.
 

Kaido

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Doesn't really fit the flying for hours though. Unless maybe there was some auspicious time or event (sunrise?) To wait for.

Actually that's the point - flew out for suicide so they'd never find the airplane in the ocean or find out what really happened. Terrorism doesn't fit, nor does missile attacks from another country because nobody's claimed responsibility. This is the most obvious solution to me so far.
 

Kaido

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No it doesn't. If he seized control from the pilot why choose that flight path and use altitude changes to hide from radar?

The only thing that makes sense given the current data is that the plane is intact and landed somewhere.

Yeah it does actually. Look at the timeline:

http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/20m5oc/comprehensive_timeline_malaysia_airlines_flight/

ACARS & transponder were turned off, flight path was changed so that it would disappear & leave no trace. No terrorist groups or countries have claimed responsibility after a week. If there was a mechanical issue, they wouldn't have physically turned off the communications & reporting systems like they did.

http://www.insideedition.com/headli...70-was-intentionally-flown-to-andaman-islands

Arnot said, "Why would you go turn off all communications and take the airplane into a million square miles of the Indian Ocean so it was completely untraceable? The number one reason to do that would be to spare your family the shame and disgrace of suicide."

The other options don't make sense:

1. If the plane had a problem & crashed, the transponders would still be on & the plane wouldn't have gone off course for hours
2. No terrorist group has come froward
3. No country has come forward

Apparently the co-pilot has been having personal problems. But, we don't know the whole story and we may never know the whole story. Tough situation.
 
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