Malaysian airlines has lost a 777

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Anybody who's ever belly flopped at the pool and ended up hurting like an SOB "should" know this, but I'm sure most people don't really think of it. How do they find wreckage that is underwater in situations like this? Some sort of sonar?

Sonar. Emergency locator that will ping as soon as it makes contact with water. Obviously finding a debris field at the surface narrows down the area they have to search.
 

RampantAndroid

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Anybody who's ever belly flopped at the pool and ended up hurting like an SOB "should" know this, but I'm sure most people don't really think of it. How do they find wreckage that is underwater in situations like this? Some sort of sonar?

Side scanning SONAR will pick up objects on the ocean floor, assuming the plane didn't basically break apart into tons of small pieces.

The black boxes emit a sound you can catch on SONAR as well.
 

phucheneh

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Egyptair 990 was intentionally crashed into the ocean.

Interesting read there. It would appear that the crazy one there (first officer, I think it said) turned the engines off and pitched down into enough of a dive to actually exceed the cruising speed of mach .8 or so.

But the pilot came back from his piss break and tried to pull out of it. So, from what I can see, still not a worst-case impact.

And they STILL had trouble finding much from that crash.
 

rh71

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breaking, from US officials: someone in the cockpit punched in coordinates on a computer that sent plane off flight path
 

phucheneh

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Silk Air 185 as well

There we go...that one hit 'at the mach' or thereabouts.

...fuck me:

Wikipedia said:
The aircraft broke into pieces before impact, with the debris spread over several kilometres, though most of the wreckage was concentrated in a single 60-metre (200 ft) by 80-metre (260 ft) area at the river bottom.[7] There was not a single complete body, body part or limb found, as the entire aircraft and passengers disintegrated upon impact. Only six positive identifications were later obtained from the few recovered human remains.[2][7]

Cue that scene at the end of 'The Rock'...Mason, sir? Oh, he was...vaporized. Blew out to sea.
 

Kaido

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Seems like a lotta work just to fatally drop a plane in the ocean.

Not really...

1. Slip the pilot a sleeping pill
2. Turn off ACARS, say goodnight to the tower, turn off the Transponder, turn the plane
3. Fly out & dive into the ocean, without the stewardesses or passengers suspecting a thing

Seems easy enough to do IRL. Too easy, in fact.
 
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thats ok,im sure you'll just ignore all the violence muslims have did and still consider there religion a peaceful one

As opposed to what? Being so enlightened to know that any muslim who prays must be a terrorist? I'll keep it my way thanks.
 

rudeguy

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thats ok,im sure you'll just ignore all the violence muslims have did and still consider there religion a peaceful one

you are an ignorant moron who makes real Americans look bad. PLEASE keep your stupidity to yourself
 

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you are an ignorant moron who makes real Americans look bad. PLEASE keep your stupidity to yourself

stupidity? the facts are all there,the ignorant morons are the ones who choose not to look at them
 

nageov3t

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random theory in the NY Times to explain why no cellular calls were made from the plane suggested that someone could have disabled the release of oxygen masks and depressurized the plane, which at 45,000 feet would have put everyone to sleep in like 10 seconds.
 

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random theory in the NY Times to explain why no cellular calls were made from the plane suggested that someone could have disabled the release of oxygen masks and depressurized the plane, which at 45,000 feet would have put everyone to sleep in like 10 seconds.

That is why I don't think the Northern route is viable. Even if you killed everyone by depressurizing the plane, there are going to be some people who left their phones on during the flight. Even if they had help, they would need to somehow find and or disable all the phones. Some people have two phones. If they took the Northern route and landed or flew lower like what is speculated, wouldn't one of the cell phones hit a cell tower and register?

The caveat is that they have the cell phone records and are holding back the information to negotiate with whoever took them.
 

nageov3t

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That is why I don't think the Northern route is viable. Even if you killed everyone by depressurizing the plane, there are going to be some people who left their phones on during the flight. Even if they had help, they would need to somehow find and or disable all the phones. Some people have two phones. If they took the Northern route and landed or flew lower like what is speculated, wouldn't one of the cell phones hit a cell tower and register?

The caveat is that they have the cell phone records and are holding back the information to negotiate with whoever took them.

depends on how low they were flying I'd guess.

my understanding is that cell towers don't really project "up" very strongly (at least compared to their wide projection)
 

seepy83

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I haven't followed all of this thoroughly, but what ever happened to the guy on the oil rig that claimed he saw a burning plane fall out of the sky? Completely false?
 

Kaido

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I haven't followed all of this thoroughly, but what ever happened to the guy on the oil rig that claimed he saw a burning plane fall out of the sky? Completely false?

One dude on CNN was saying that if it was an electrical fire, that would explain the gap in communication since you have to shut stuff down ASAP to isolate the problem. Just bad timing on the handoff between countries. Murphy's Law?
 

John Connor

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random theory in the NY Times to explain why no cellular calls were made from the plane suggested that someone could have disabled the release of oxygen masks and depressurized the plane, which at 45,000 feet would have put everyone to sleep in like 10 seconds.


Random theory, but cell phones don't work over water with no cell towers nor will they work above 2,000 AGL.

Skype and WIFI, yes.
 
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