Malaysian airlines has lost a 777

[Sea Moose]

Aliens

 

[MaxFusion16]

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/19/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html

Flight simulator data deleted, forensics trying to recover.

Maldives sighting discredited.

 

[rudeguy]

If that's true, then that is absolutely insane. Perfectly doable, too:

1. Reprogram airplane & wait for ATC handoff
2. Slip pilot a sleeping pill
3. Disable ACARS & transponder
4. Disappear to pre-selected location

It would just be a matter of timing & preparation.

Sleeping pill wouldn't work. I've taken every one known to man and they are not instant or guaranteed to make you sleep.

GHB in a drink however would be very effective.

 

[jaedaliu]

Sleeping pill wouldn't work. I've taken every one known to man and they are not instant or guaranteed to make you sleep.

GHB in a drink however would be very effective.

You're suggesting one pilot date rape the other?!

 

[John Connor]

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/0...laysian-jet-focuses-on-southern-indian-ocean/

I don't see how deleting flight simulator files means anything. I have flight simulator and delete my flight files all the time to save on HDD space. He seems like a smart guy and if he's anything like me he would have encrypted his HDD.

 

[z1ggy]

Just read a reddit article that stated the flight path was changed via that key-in method 12 mins before the "good night" call to ATC.

Can find on r/worldnews. Too lazy to link.

IF that's true, that almost entire rules out an electrical fire or any type of structural failure that would have caused the pilot to emergency turn the plane around. It also (I think) eliminates hijacking by outside source because there are secret codes and distress signals pilots can give to ATC that a non pilot/ATCer would not be privy to.

At this point I'm very much leaning toward pilot suicide. They need to search about 7 hours west of the last known radar contact.

 

[John Connor]

Correct. Squawk 7500 is a hijack. There was no mayday or pan-pan.

 

[John Connor]

Aliens

You work for CNN, don't you. LOL!

 

[AViking]

CNN's coverage of this and the Ukraine crisis is awful. They've turned into tabloid trash. I'm never visiting them again.

 

[MaxFusion16]

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/0...laysian-jet-focuses-on-southern-indian-ocean/

I don't see how deleting flight simulator files means anything. I have flight simulator and delete my flight files all the time to save on HDD space. He seems like a smart guy and if he's anything like me he would have encrypted his HDD.

If he's smart, he should've taken the hard drive with him on the plane.

At 53, I don't think he's very technical, probably left data trails, I think they'll find something on the hard drives.

 

[AViking]

Why would you think that? What evidence do you have to support this? Just a feeling? The truth is that we don't know and we really don't need to follow every conspiracy theory. We all know it was Aliens. They're here. They're taking people. It could be you or me next.

 

[norseamd]

Why would you think that? What evidence do you have to support this? Just a feeling? The truth is that we don't know and we really don't need to follow every conspiracy theory. We all know it was Aliens. They're here. They're taking people. It could be you or me next.

those north koreans are everywhere

 

[rudeguy]

If he's smart, he should've taken the hard drive with him on the plane.

At 53, I don't think he's very technical, probably left data trails, I think they'll find something on the hard drives.

Please provide one piece, even the tiniest one, to confirm this.

I would say his interest in computers and his ability to build a flight sim directly disprove what you are saying.

 

[rudeguy]

You're suggesting one pilot date rape the other?!

Kaido is very interested in the sleeping myth. As someone with chronic insomnia, I can tell you there is no such thing as an instant sleeping pill.

GHB would make his theory much more probable but still very unlikely.

 

[z1ggy]

Kaido is very interested in the sleeping myth. As someone with chronic insomnia, I can tell you there is no such thing as an instant sleeping pill.

GHB would make his theory much more probable but still very unlikely.

If the cabin door is locked and unable to be opened from the outside without a code, what makes anybody think he didn't just straight up wack the guy w a blunt object? I'm pretty sure they keep an axe in the flight deck for emergency situations.

Wack the co-pilot. Slowly manuver the plane a new direction, as to not alert anybody they are going off course. Fly for the schedule flight time...Crash into ocean. Nobody would ever know anything is wrong until it was too late.

 

[MaxFusion16]

Please provide one piece, even the tiniest one, to confirm this.

I would say his interest in computers and his ability to build a flight sim directly disprove what you are saying.

no evidence, just an observation of people his age.

 

[TangoJuliet]

If the cabin door is locked and unable to be opened from the outside without a code, what makes anybody think he didn't just straight up wack the guy w a blunt object? I'm pretty sure they keep an axe in the flight deck for emergency situations.

Wack the co-pilot. Slowly manuver the plane a new direction, as to not alert anybody they are going off course. Fly for the schedule flight time...Crash into ocean. Nobody would ever know anything is wrong until it was too late.

Thats what I said earlier but people disputed it saying that if the flight attendants came up to talk to the crew they would know something was up. I don't agree - it was late and most of the passengers were probably trying to sleep. The flight attendants weren't going to be serving anything for a couple hours so they really didn't have a reason to come up to the flight deck.

 

[TangoJuliet]

no evidence, just an observation of people his age.

Aren't there youtube videos showing him repairing an air conditioner and other home appliances?

 

[Kaido]

Kaido is very interested in the sleeping myth. As someone with chronic insomnia, I can tell you there is no such thing as an instant sleeping pill.

GHB would make his theory much more probable but still very unlikely.

I'm just using it as an example - a sleeping pill, a drug, whatever. Slipping a date-rape drug into the pilot's coffee wouldn't exactly be rocket science. Since the current story is that the airplane was reprogrammed prior to the goodnight call, the sequence of events would be super simple:

1. Reprogram the plane
2. Knock the pilot out & tell the crew it's your shift since he's taking a nap
3. Say goodnight & shutoff the communications systems

As demonstrated in one of the videos linked above, turning those systems off is pretty simple in the cockpit since they usually turn them off when they land so they're not pinging ATC on the ground.

 

[MaxFusion16]

Aren't there youtube videos showing him repairing an air conditioner and other home appliances?

so he's handy, which i expect people of his generation to be, but that doesn't mean he's technically proficient.

my dad(55) is handy with a lot of things, electrical and mechanical, but is completely clueless when it comes to computers.

 

[PG]

If the cabin door is locked and unable to be opened from the outside without a code, what makes anybody think he didn't just straight up wack the guy w a blunt object? I'm pretty sure they keep an axe in the flight deck for emergency situations.

Wack the co-pilot. Slowly manuver the plane a new direction, as to not alert anybody they are going off course. Fly for the schedule flight time...Crash into ocean. Nobody would ever know anything is wrong until it was too late.

The airline has already confirmed that it was the co-pilot who last spoke and said the now famous "all right, good night".

The overall problem here is that no one theory explains everything we know.

 

[Kaido]

If the cabin door is locked and unable to be opened from the outside without a code, what makes anybody think he didn't just straight up wack the guy w a blunt object? I'm pretty sure they keep an axe in the flight deck for emergency situations.

Wack the co-pilot. Slowly manuver the plane a new direction, as to not alert anybody they are going off course. Fly for the schedule flight time...Crash into ocean. Nobody would ever know anything is wrong until it was too late.

I would think that would be too much work - slipping a mickey into the pilot's coffee would do the trick without anyone suspecting anything. Rolls-Royce said the plane flew for at least 5 hours, which would be a long time to have the cabin door locked without any communication from the pilot to the crew or passengers. Plus the satellite picked up a faint ACARS transmission at 8:11am, about 30 minutes before the plane would have run out of fuel, so that would have been nearly 8 hours of flight time of hiding the pilot from the crew. I think it boils down to 4 scenarios:

1. Malfunction
2. Suicide
3. Missile takedown
4. Theft

Malfunction makes the most sense to me right now - say the smoke kills everyone onboard & the autopilot flies until it runs out of fuel. Suicide also makes sense, based on the current information that the plane was reprogrammed before the goodnight call was made. Nobody saw or has claimed a missile attack or other takedown method, so I'd lean towards ruling that out. Theft is a possibility, although the coordination would be somewhat difficult, but if the plane was reprogrammed ahead of time & they did low-flying radar-avoiding maneuvers, then it's possible.

 

[PG]

so he's handy, which i expect people of his generation to be, but that doesn't mean he's technically proficient.

my dad(55) is handy with a lot of things, electrical and mechanical, but is completely clueless when it comes to computers.

Did you see his flight simulator? He did it himself. Dual 7970 Radeon cards, at least 5 or 6 monitors, etc.

 

[Kaido]

The overall problem here is that no one theory explains everything we know.

Part of it too is that we don't have a lot of confirmed information. They can't confirm that the plane was actually reprogrammed before the call (or at all), it's just speculation until they find the plane and look at the black box.

What we know for sure is:

1. Communications systems were disabled (turned off or malfunctioned)
2. Military radar lost them a couple hours in
3. Rolls Royce tracked the engines running for 5 hours
4. A satellite got a faint ACARS ping about 30 minutes before bingo
5. The plane would have only been able to fly about 8 hours with the fuel onboard

What we know "maybe" is:

1. No one made an emergency call - no distress calls from the pilots, crew, or passengers
2. Thailand tracked an unidentified plane with intermittent communications signals for awhile (maybe it was the Malaysia flight, maybe not)
3. Someone may have reprogrammed the flight path before the goodnight call

The most logical explanation is that there was a fire, everyone died from smoke inhalation, and the plane continued on autopilot to the nearest safe airport until it ran out of fuel & crashed. The sinister explanation is that the co-pilot opted for suicide, took out the pilot, and no one suspected a thing until they nosedived. The far-out but possible theory is that it was hijacked & parked in another country. And possibly someone shot it down, but that's even more far-fetched because the radio went silent & it kept flying for at least 5 hours (per engine tracking data), so someone would have had to maneuver it off-course and then wait to get shot down.

 

[MaxFusion16]

Did you see his flight simulator? He did it himself. Dual 7970 Radeon cards, at least 5 or 6 monitors, etc.

proof he did it himself? how do you know he didn't hire a kid or have a friend help him build it?

even so, building a computer isn't very difficult, a highschool dropout working at geeksquad can do it for a small fee; doesn't mean he knows how to properly delete data.