Malaysian airlines has lost a 777

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Kaido

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777 pilots are chiming stating you cant have a undetected fire in the wheel for over an hour.

Why would it be an hour? The pilot said goodnight at 1:19am and then the transponder turned off a minute later at 1:20pm. 17 minutes after that, at 1:37am, the ACARS failed to check-in. Bad timing + happened pretty quick?
 

Kaido

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Fox is reporting that the plane had already begun to turn before the goodnight call:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/0...ckpit-checked-in-12-minutes-after-course-was/

The Malaysia Airlines flight that vanished nearly two weeks ago was already 12 minutes into its diverted course when the plane's co-pilot calmly told air traffic controllers that things were "all right," former FAA spokesman Scott Brenner said Tuesday on "The Kelly File."

"One of the pilots clearly had the intention ... that he was going to take (the plane) in a different direction," Brenner told host Megyn Kelly. "It's 100 percent clear this pilot, or this co-pilot, was going to take this plane with the intent of doing something bad."

At 1:19 p.m. on March 8, 12 minutes after the plane had changed course to the west, co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid gave a routine "All right, good night" in his final radio call.

They said to make that change, it would be hard to do without the other pilot noticing:

Brenner also believes it's likely that Hamid and pilot Zaharie Ahmad Shah were both involved in the decision to change the flight's course.

"For a pilot or a co-pilot to punch in a new waypoint in their flight management system without the other one noticing would be hard to do," he said.

Edit: Not sure why a former FAA spokesman is speaking like this on the issue:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/0...laysian-jet-focuses-on-southern-indian-ocean/

Edit 2: NBC has a story on it, citing "sources":

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mi...-u-turn-programmed-signoff-sources-say-n56151

Edit 3: CNN too:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/19/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-flight-path-change/

a law enforcement official told CNN that the plane's programmed change in direction was entered at least 12 minutes before the plane's verbal sign-off.

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A U.S. official told CNN that somebody programmed Flight 370 to fly off course. But it's unclear if that happened during the flight or before takeoff.

"We don't know when specifically it was entered," said Mary Schiavo, a CNN aviation analyst and former inspector general for the U.S. Department of Transportation.

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Reports, not yet confirmed by authorities, have suggested that Flight 370 followed navigational waypoints after it turned off its original route less than an hour into its journey on March 8.

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Programming waypoints into the flight management system of a Boeing 777-200 is "a task that would have been beyond the abilities of anyone but a professional pilot," said Robert Goyer, the editor in chief of Flying magazine and a commercial jet-rated pilot.

Once the pilots are in the aircraft, "anything is possible," said Ahmad Jauhari.
 
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rudeguy

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I don't trust foxnews at all. They, along with CNN, want us to believe that the sky is falling. Top stories on Foxnews are that al qaeda is going to bomb us, America is in danger, and that the missing flight is teaching terrorists a thing or two.
 

Kaido

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You are way too wrapped up in this.

I have 8 broken computers on my bench here that are in various stages of automatic processing. Getting a bit bored between clicking "next" buttons :\
 

Kaido

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CZroe

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One thing I read was that an airliner can glide about 30 miles if it the engines were to crap out at 30,000 feet. That'd be a pretty significant range to search in...

The Guinness World Record is much longer.
 

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CZroe

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...how much longer?

I'm trying to find out. I think I heard it on an episode of Air Emergency/Mayday/Air Crash Investigations. It was either the one where the volcanic ash choked the engines or the one where the fuel leak caused them to run out of fuel.

I'm sure it all depends on how high they were when starting the glide. Higher altitudes/airspeed are more efficient too.
 

rudeguy

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I have 8 broken computers on my bench here that are in various stages of automatic processing. Getting a bit bored between clicking "next" buttons :\

LOL!

I understand that. I have 16 credit card terminals in the same situation. I usually occupy my time with fail videos on youtube
 

yuchai

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Fox is reporting that the plane had already begun to turn before the goodnight call:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/0...ckpit-checked-in-12-minutes-after-course-was/



They said to make that change, it would be hard to do without the other pilot noticing:



Edit: Not sure why a former FAA spokesman is speaking like this on the issue:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/0...laysian-jet-focuses-on-southern-indian-ocean/

Edit 2: NBC has a story on it, citing "sources":

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mi...-u-turn-programmed-signoff-sources-say-n56151

Edit 3: CNN too:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/19/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-flight-path-change/

My understanding is that the flight plan was updated with the new westward waypoint into the computer, and that information was transmitted as part of the ACARS transmission at 1:07.

I don't think they're saying that the actual heading of the plane has already changed at 1:19 (goodnight call). That seems to have actually happened after 1:19.
 

TerryMathews

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I don't trust foxnews at all. They, along with CNN, want us to believe that the sky is falling. Top stories on Foxnews are that al qaeda is going to bomb us, America is in danger, and that the missing flight is teaching terrorists a thing or two.

To be fair, CBS was running Al Qaeda stories today too. Something about their magazine.
 

yuchai

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IMO, the best info we have on finding the plane is still those satellite pings. It seems that they should be looking at not just the final ping, but the 4-5 before that (i believe they're hourly), and plot arcs based on those points also. Doing that should give them a better idea of the flight path, and narrow down the search area quite a bit.

They should also be able to confirm whether there were further heading changes during those 4-5 pings/hours.

Would think that has to be worked on somehow, but I haven't seen anything reported about it so far.
 

Gunslinger08

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I would recommend a series named "Air Disasters" on Netflix to anybody in this thread. I watched it a few weeks ago, and I think it definitely helped me understand a lot of what's going on now.
 

MaxFusion16

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The best approach would be to recover the missing files, reconstruct the simulations.
Also track down his wife and kids, follow them, monitor their communications.
 

leeland

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The best approach would be to recover the missing files, reconstruct the simulations.
Also track down his wife and kids, follow them, monitor their communications.

That is one thing I haven't heard anything about...the captain's wife...

Did she leave him prior to this event?

Has she been interviewed?
 

MaxFusion16

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That is one thing I haven't heard anything about...the captain's wife...

Did she leave him prior to this event?

Has she been interviewed?

The wife and the youngest daughter left their home one day before the plane disappeared, and no more info is available after that.

Meanwhile, some of the copilot's family were taken in for questioning.
 

Kaido

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I would recommend a series named "Air Disasters" on Netflix to anybody in this thread. I watched it a few weeks ago, and I think it definitely helped me understand a lot of what's going on now.

Thanks, added to the queue!
 

Kaido

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LOL!

I understand that. I have 16 credit card terminals in the same situation. I usually occupy my time with fail videos on youtube

Yeah, and unfortunately it's stuff I don't have master system images for yet, so it's the whole process. I need to setup a PXE server one of these days Same deal for weekend backups...just one of those busywork things you have to physically be there for to swap & press buttons, but gets a bit mind-numbing at times. Yay ATOT :wub:
 

Kev

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1. If there was an electrical fire, that could have taken out the electronics. Thailand said the UFO they tracked had an intermittent signal. ACARS & transponders were turned off, but the second-level ACARS (ping from satellite) was still functioning 7.5 hours into the flight, indicating that the plane still had power.

2. It sounds like standard procedure is to shut everything off in the event of a fire (reboot!). Plus you can turn off a lot of the communications systems right from the cockpit as demonstrated in one of the news videos linked above, which is standard procedure when you land so you're not constantly pinging the tower from the ground.

But what's weird is:

1. They think the flight path was reprogrammed prior to the goodnight call

2. One of the pilots had a serious flight simulator at home, apparently with flight path history files that had been recently deleted

How can they possibly tell that files had just recently been deleted? Deleted = not there, therefore how would they know unless they did a recovery process on them?
 

nageov3t

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How can they possibly tell that files had just recently been deleted? Deleted = not there, therefore how would they know unless they did a recovery process on them?

could you see that a program had bean accessed yesterday but notice that there are no logs present? assuming logs are present for every other day prior, it may be reasonable to assume that someone specifically deleted the logs of yesterday's activity.
 
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