Man barbecues and eats his dog

[Eli]

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: Atheus
"In New Zealand it is legal to kill an animal if it is slaughtered swiftly and painlessly"

You'd think that's the case in every country but the article feels the need to mention it twice... where in the world aren't you allowed to kill your own animal humanely...?

You can't go out back and shoot your dog in the head in the US. That's as humane as it gets, but you would probably face charges.

What? Of course you can.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: Atheus
"In New Zealand it is legal to kill an animal if it is slaughtered swiftly and painlessly"

You'd think that's the case in every country but the article feels the need to mention it twice... where in the world aren't you allowed to kill your own animal humanely...?

You can't go out back and shoot your dog in the head in the US. That's as humane as it gets, but you would probably face charges.

What? Of course you can.

Actually, in many municipalities, you can't discharge a firearm within city limits. Didn't stop my old neighbor, but there's more room and less enforcement where I live.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: OCguy
Really? I dont know about that. You might face charges if you live in a city where you cant discharge a firearm for anything other than self defense.

This is the only legal tangle that I can think of, but I cannot speak for all state / local laws. Heck, I have known people to euthanize a horse via firearm.

 

[Dari]

I'm glad we Americans only eat normal food. Shit like this needs to stop at the border.

 

[Miramonti]

Man arrested after he shoots and kills 6 of his dogs

Deputies arrested a Keystone Heights man after finding he had shot and killed six of his dogs Sunday.

Deputies arrested Douglas on a charge of cruelty to animals.

Ama man shoots dog after fighting with girlfriend

An Ama man who allegedly threatened his girlfriend with a handgun and shot and killed her dog was booked with aggravated cruelty to animals and aggravated assault with a firearm

These are just a couple recent ones from google news. You generally can't just shoot a dog unless its in self-defense. I'm surprised many of you think law enforcement is indifferent about it. Perhaps if you can prove it was sick and needed to be euthanize you can win a case in court, but that doesn't mean it won't necessarily be prosecuted under animal cruelty charges. How aggressive a given prosecutor is will obviously vary in every city and town.

Do I agree with having to pay a vet to euthanize it when it can be done with a gun in the backyard (where firearms codes permit)? No, but it is what it is.

 

[iGas]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Insomniator

Originally posted by: mwmorph
I've been thinking about it, what is the difference between killing and eating a dog and a pig? They have been shown to have comparable intelligence and are both living animals. The only difference is YOU get attached to one and not the other because of your culture whilst this man sees both as edible animals. You can complain about moralities and what have you like in that article, but then it just go back to the old poem of the "The White Man's Burden" which satires the belief that your culture >>> their culture and therefore you must force everyone to live by your rules. be Animal rights groups FTMFL.

Do animal rights groups specifically protest eating a particular species? I'm pretty sure they never say its ok to kill chickens but not dogs. They just don't want either animal to be tortured, or animals in general to be eaten at all.

Except dogs have been man's companion for 100s of years so obviously people will have a stronger bond. Tell me when a pig or chicken has protected a family, saved a life, assisted a disabled person, etc...

Here in North America we don't eat dog/cats/etc..., but it is okay to kill animal for sport, or give it up to the SPCA (to be adopted or kill) when we don't want the animal any longer.

IMHO, there is nothing wrong with eating one pet.

People are known to have feeling, capable of love/friendship, and save lives for ten of thousand of years and we kill them by the millions with out remorse.

I was taught to only kill something you are intended to eat, therefore we shouldn't kill people or animal needlessly.

 

[iGas]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Insomniator

Originally posted by: mwmorph
I've been thinking about it, what is the difference between killing and eating a dog and a pig? They have been shown to have comparable intelligence and are both living animals. The only difference is YOU get attached to one and not the other because of your culture whilst this man sees both as edible animals. You can complain about moralities and what have you like in that article, but then it just go back to the old poem of the "The White Man's Burden" which satires the belief that your culture >>> their culture and therefore you must force everyone to live by your rules. be Animal rights groups FTMFL.

Do animal rights groups specifically protest eating a particular species? I'm pretty sure they never say its ok to kill chickens but not dogs. They just don't want either animal to be tortured, or animals in general to be eaten at all.

Except dogs have been man's companion for 100s of years so obviously people will have a stronger bond. Tell me when a pig or chicken has protected a family, saved a life, assisted a disabled person, etc...

Again your society, not his. Not all societies domesticated dogs. Use context, I don't care about your background, this is not about you, which seems like such a hard concept for some people to grasp. It's about him, his culture and his society.

Also tell me the last time a chicken bit and killed a child.

Except this individual is living in a society that frowns upon it. Maybe, he should move back to Tonga. If I come from a society that allows the cannibalism, it should be alright to perform it here?

yes, lets tell everyone who is different than us to go back to where they came from. it'll work splendidly.

LOL, and the whites go back to Europe where they all came from.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: Dari
I'm glad we Americans only eat normal food. Shit like this needs to stop at the border.

It's not like every Tongan or New Zealander eats dogs, this is a single case. I'm sure there are plenty of Americans who have eaten much worse things. Don't paint with such a broad brush.

 

[iGas]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: AyashiKaibutsu

Originally posted by: manowar821
Stop the meat eaters! Allowing them to behave in this sick and perverse way only serves to let them stand one step closer to eating human meat!!!

When overpopulation looms and global warming has destroyed all our crops it's only natural that we'll eat the most successful animal on earth.

Damn...you mean we're gonna have to start eating cockroaches and ants?

We already do eat bugs of the sea, such as crabs, shrimps, etc...

 

[iGas]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: Dari
I'm glad we Americans only eat normal food. Shit like this needs to stop at the border.

It's not like every Tongan or New Zealander eats dogs, this is a single case. I'm sure there are plenty of Americans who have eaten much worse things. Don't paint with such a broad brush.

I have met American GIs that admitted they loves BBQ dogs while they were stationed in Vietnam.

Dog meat -- Wikipedia

Dog Meat -- Weird meat

 

[MAKENITO]

I think that it is important to point out now that Eating Dog in Tonga is NOT a delicacy/custom/or part of Tongan culture. This guy is one of a small percentage who eat dog.. likened to .. homeless eating out of a rubbish bin perhaps?

What is facsinating is that one guy eats dog in NZ, and now the are talking about 'Educating' Tongans as they get off the plane on what is appropriate food.

What they need to be worrying about is the rate at which our children die.

 

[sourceninja]

I love my cats, but if times were tough and I needed food they would be on the menu.

 

[iGas]

Originally posted by: MAKENITO
I think that it is important to point out now that Eating Dog in Tonga is NOT a delicacy/custom/or part of Tongan culture. This guy is one of a small percentage who eat dog.. likened to .. homeless eating out of a rubbish bin perhaps?

What is facsinating is that one guy eats dog in NZ, and now the are talking about 'Educating' Tongans as they get off the plane on what is appropriate food.

What they need to be worrying about is the rate at which our children die.

Please check your fact before you nef.

Dog meat is barbecued in a umu in Tonga and considered a delicacy.

 

[MAKENITO]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer

Originally posted by: Dari
I'm glad we Americans only eat normal food. Shit like this needs to stop at the border.

It's not like every Tongan or New Zealander eats dogs, this is a single case. I'm sure there are plenty of Americans who have eaten much worse things. Don't paint with such a broad brush.

Youre right. Not all Tongans, or New Zealanders, or NZ born Tongans eat dog.. Though, I am pretty sure that if we do have closet dog eaters, they will not be BBQing dogs anymore.. The public outcry from the NZ public was just disgusting. We had ppl comparing Eating a dog to female genetal mutilation, and cannibalism. Oh, and then there were the race issues.. all of a sudden every person who had "lost" a scholarship, placement etc etc popped up - and it was Hate the Islanders day. Jeepers. Multi-cultural my ar$e.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: Sqube
Worse than Vick? Of course not. He killed it humanely, the society of Tonga is generally accepting of the practice... nonstory, IMO.

This.

 

[MAKENITO]

Please do not refer to Wikipedia for information - and expect it to be accurate. If you look at the source of that little bit of info, you will find that it is the incident that happened in South Auckland.

Dogs are eaten in the islands - but it is (and someone please correct me if I am wrong) generally by people who live in the bush, and poor people.

It is eaten in Tonga, but it is not a delicacy. Tongans generally find the flesh of dogs to be dirty. Just because that one person stated that it was a delicacy - after being caught roasting it and almost charged for doing so - it does not mean that it is so. You will find that majority of Tongans right now are disgusted at the thought the everyone is walking around thinking that this is part of Tongan culture.

 

[MAKENITO]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Sqube
Worse than Vick? Of course not. He killed it humanely, the society of Tonga is generally accepting of the practice... nonstory, IMO.

This.

Accepted in the way that we accept that we will always have homeless people littering our streets - and there is nothing we can do about it.

 

[thepd7]

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
I know people eat dogs in some places in the world, but I can't believe after having it as a family pet they just decided to kill it and eat it.

do you think in those places they raise dogs on farms to eat? Hell no, they use them for their purpose (whether it's guard dogs, sheep dogs, pets, sled dogs, whatever) and then when they are no longer useful or food is needed they kill them.

I love dogs but people need to get over this. Not any different than any other animal.

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Except this individual is living in a society that frowns upon it. Maybe, he should move back to Tonga. If I come from a society that allows the cannibalism, it should be alright to perform it here?

confused is right. Cannibalism is illegal, eating animals is not. Society frowns on a lot of things, unless they are illegal there should be no legal consequences, just like in this story.

 

[iGas]

Originally posted by: MAKENITO
Please do not refer to Wikipedia for information - and expect it to be accurate. If you look at the source of that little bit of info, you will find that it is the incident that happened in South Auckland.

Dogs are eaten in the islands - but it is (and someone please correct me if I am wrong) generally by people who live in the bush, and poor people.

It is eaten in Tonga, but it is not a delicacy. Tongans generally find the flesh of dogs to be dirty. Just because that one person stated that it was a delicacy - after being caught roasting it and almost charged for doing so - it does not mean that it is so. You will find that majority of Tongans right now are disgusted at the thought the everyone is walking around thinking that this is part of Tongan culture.

Not sure its true or not but here they are.

Fiji and Tonga: FOOD -- Last Updated: May 15, 2002

"You know, they eat dogs here in Tonga," said Sandy, the manager of Billy's Place (a resort), and American wife of Tongan Billy.

"Yes, I'd heard that," said Scott.

"Dog is really quite good. It looks and tastes like good beef," said Sandy, literally licking her lips.

"That's different than my experience in Korea," recalled Scott. "I found it whitish, a little stringy, and gamy."

We found it challenging to eat in Tonga and Fiji. Not because of the dogs, but for the lack of them. We stayed in very small communities, and it took a while to figure out the rules of engagement.


Kai Kule - Eating my first dog. Oct 13 2007 -- Tonga Adventure

I ate dog last night -- Year in Tonga almost up! Jan 2007 - Jan 2008

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.janesoceania.com/tonga_visit1/index.htm">"What about them - you eat dogs?"
"Yes."
"You eat flying foxes - fruit bats?"
"Yes."
"How do you cook them?"
"Pigs, horses and dogs we put in the umu oven. It makes the meat very soft. But flying foxes we can just barbecue."</a>

 

[MAKENITO]

Originally posted by: iGas

Originally posted by: MAKENITO
Please do not refer to Wikipedia for information - and expect it to be accurate. If you look at the source of that little bit of info, you will find that it is the incident that happened in South Auckland.

Dogs are eaten in the islands - but it is (and someone please correct me if I am wrong) generally by people who live in the bush, and poor people.

It is eaten in Tonga, but it is not a delicacy. Tongans generally find the flesh of dogs to be dirty. Just because that one person stated that it was a delicacy - after being caught roasting it and almost charged for doing so - it does not mean that it is so. You will find that majority of Tongans right now are disgusted at the thought the everyone is walking around thinking that this is part of Tongan culture.

Not sure its true or not but here they are.

Fiji and Tonga: FOOD -- Last Updated: May 15, 2002

"You know, they eat dogs here in Tonga," said Sandy, the manager of Billy's Place (a resort), and American wife of Tongan Billy.

"Yes, I'd heard that," said Scott.

"Dog is really quite good. It looks and tastes like good beef," said Sandy, literally licking her lips.

"That's different than my experience in Korea," recalled Scott. "I found it whitish, a little stringy, and gamy."

We found it challenging to eat in Tonga and Fiji. Not because of the dogs, but for the lack of them. We stayed in very small communities, and it took a while to figure out the rules of engagement.


Kai Kule - Eating my first dog. Oct 13 2007 -- Tonga Adventure

I ate dog last night -- Year in Tonga almost up! Jan 2007 - Jan 2008

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.janesoceania.com/tonga_visit1/index.htm">"What about them - you eat dogs?"
"Yes."
"You eat flying foxes - fruit bats?"
"Yes."
"How do you cook them?"
"Pigs, horses and dogs we put in the umu oven. It makes the meat very soft. But flying foxes we can just barbecue."</a>

iGas,

I have just had a quick read through the links - very interesting - but I still stand by my statement that it is not a delicacy in Tonga.

Dogs are generally not loved or treated as 'a part of the family' in Tonga. They are, for the most part strays/mutts. Dogs are viewed in Tonga the way that rats are viewed here in NZ. They are disgusting and disease ridden..The dogs that I have seen at our Pound in NZ look cleaner than these bony, aggressive looking rodents in Tonga

Here are a couple of links of Actual Traditional Tongan Food:
http://www.experiencefestival....Tongan_Food/id/4958876
http://www.brookvale-p.schools...CTS/tongan/culture.htm
(Yummy!! - tastes better than the 2 minute noodles I just ate)

My definition of Tongan traditional food/delicacies - it is the food that is prepared in every home in Tonga and fed to honoured guests. So.. they would slaughter a pig, a couple of chickens - put it on a spit - get some taro leaves, and some taro,kumara, breadfruit.. (sound like a hieroglyphics? because you can hear hieroglyphics?? hahahaha is that even how you spell it??)

Anywho, my family have visited Tonga many times - we have never been offered, fed or sold Dog - because it is not meat that is consumed by any and all. There is only a small number of Tongans who eat it, and they are usually from the 'Bush' - which is far away from the local Butchery (assuming they could afford to buy meat if it was close by). Please keep in mind that for many families the pigs are the source of their livelihood.. so poorer families will not be slaughtering their Pigs for a normal everyday dinner - because they cannot afford to.. So if there happens to be a stray walking past... *slit throat*.

I think one of the reasons that I have not found any sites that state that Dogs are not a delicacy in Tonga is because they think it to be common sense.. very much the same way that rat is not a delicacy in NZ or the US or .. wherever. Can you imagine someone feeding the King of Tonga a leg of Dog (JackA$$hole that he is)? I went to uni with one of the Princess' daughters - Im gonna just assume she didnt eat dog either.

That ONE Tongan Guy here in NZ roasted his dog - it isn't illegal to eat your dog here in NZ. The SPCA made the comment that 'no animal deserves to be treated this way'.. one would assume that they include our sheep, cows and chicken inthe 'animal' category - which leads me to the grand conclusion that they possibly give the animals sleeping pills before they slaughter, chop, wrap, pack and chill them. The dog died a 'humane' death, by our own laws.

While he was being interviewed Mr Taufa said that eating dog was a delicacy in Tonga - he spoke poor English and had JUST BEEN CAUGHT RED HANDED WITH HIS DOG ON THE BBQ - he is hardly going to say 'back in Tonga, my family like to eat strays off the street - because meat is expensive and we cant afford to kill and eat our own livestock for our everyday dinner'. By saying that it was a delicacy - he more or less got a 'get out of jail free' card - even if he wasnt breaking the law.

Oh no.. This is getting long(I am in the Im-Gonna-Ramble-On.. you all are possibly falling asleep.. my argument is possibly going nowhere.. Chronicles of Riddick is on YAY.

Just because ONE man ate it, it doesnt mean that we all do.

 

[MAKENITO]

Originally posted by: jonnyGURU

Originally posted by: tenshodo13

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
I know people eat dogs in some places in the world, but I can't believe after having it as a family pet they just decided to kill it and eat it.

Plenty of people do this. I had a pet Dog in Korea that we killed and put into a stew. It was delicious. But mostly they use "bad" breeds more or less specifically bred for the purposes of eating.

Dead puppies aren't much fun.
They dont come, when you call,
they dont chase squirrles at all.

Dead puppies aren't much fun...
My puppy died, late last fall,
he is still rotting in the hall.
Dead puppies aren't much fun, no no no.

Mom said puppy's days are through,
she's going to throw him in the stew.
Dead puppies aren't much fun.

-- Stephen Lynch

hahaha, I was thinking of 'borrowing' this and posting this on another NZ 'dog eating' forum.. But I think some Vegan or Pro-Animal Activist is going to hunt me down and... *scarey music*..

 

[Sea Moose]

Originally posted by: tenshodo13

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
I know people eat dogs in some places in the world, but I can't believe after having it as a family pet they just decided to kill it and eat it.

Plenty of people do this. I had a pet Dog in Korea that we killed and put into a stew. It was delicious. But mostly they use "bad" breeds more or less specifically bred for the purposes of eating.

does that mean we can kill people that are considered "bad breeds"?

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

does that mean we can kill people that are considered "bad breeds"?

Don't be so foolish. Human meat is a rare delicacy. Why would you ruin such a thing by using inferior meat? That does not make any sense at all. When it comes to the consumption of human flesh, only the best will do. This is not something that I would expect someone like yourself to ever understand.

 

[MAKENITO]

Originally posted by: Sea Moose

Originally posted by: tenshodo13

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
I know people eat dogs in some places in the world, but I can't believe after having it as a family pet they just decided to kill it and eat it.

Plenty of people do this. I had a pet Dog in Korea that we killed and put into a stew. It was delicious. But mostly they use "bad" breeds more or less specifically bred for the purposes of eating.

does that mean we can kill people that are considered "bad breeds"?

Baaa ha..

I reckon we should. But thats a whole other topic!

 

[Sea Moose]

Originally posted by: MAKENITO
I think that it is important to point out now that Eating Dog in Tonga is NOT a delicacy/custom/or part of Tongan culture. This guy is one of a small percentage who eat dog.. likened to .. homeless eating out of a rubbish bin perhaps?

What is facsinating is that one guy eats dog in NZ, and now the are talking about 'Educating' Tongans as they get off the plane on what is appropriate food.

What they need to be worrying about is the rate at which our children die.

you need to stop eating them