Man calls 911, then shoots burglars while on the phone with 911

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: blackllotus
The death penalty for stealing... last time I checked this was 2007 not 1007

I'll bet you that it will be a long time before another robbery takes place in that neighborhood again.

I bet it would also be pretty effective if we broke burglars on the wheel, why don't we start doing that next? :roll:

Why don't you move to Saudi Arabia, I hear that attitude is pretty popular there...

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Nebor
I applaud this old man for defending his neighborhood.

That's what this case will come down to.

Can anyone "defend" a neighborhood?

If not then it will be a free for all of stealing and pillaging by criminals with no fear of impunity.

With the onslaught of the pussification of America sadly that is what may happen.

Every time someone talks about avoiding "pussification", I can't help but get the feeling that the ONLY reason you guys support policies that allow this sort of thing is to prop up your none-too-secure masculinity. Don't be such a bunch of idiots...if you don't feel manly enough, go watch some football or something. Or turn on some UFC and pretend you could do that if you wanted to.

And anyways, you might want to look up the word "defending" in the dictionary, I don't think it means what you think it means. I applaud people for defending their neighborhood, but this isn't the only way to do it...and it's damn sure not the smart way.

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: blackllotus
The death penalty for stealing... last time I checked this was 2007 not 1007

I'll bet you that it will be a long time before another robbery takes place in that neighborhood again.

I bet it would also be pretty effective if we broke burglars on the wheel, why don't we start doing that next? :roll:

Why don't you move to Saudi Arabia, I hear that attitude is pretty popular there...

I'm sorry but exactly what "attitude" are you speaking of?

I made a simple comment that I believe will be factual. How in the world did you make the jump that I would prefer to live in Saudi Arabia?

To clarify my position so that you don't have to make anymore false ASSumptions, unless I feared for my life or another persons life I would not have pulled the trigger.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: blackllotus
The death penalty for stealing... last time I checked this was 2007 not 1007

I'll bet you that it will be a long time before another robbery takes place in that neighborhood again.

I bet it would also be pretty effective if we broke burglars on the wheel, why don't we start doing that next? :roll:

Why don't you move to Saudi Arabia, I hear that attitude is pretty popular there...

I'm sorry but exactly what "attitude" are you speaking of?

I made a simple comment that I believe will be factual. How in the world did you make the jump that I would prefer to live in Saudi Arabia?

To clarify my position so that you don't have to make anymore false ASSumptions, unless I feared for my life or another persons life I would not have pulled the trigger.

Well maybe you should clarify your position when you state it instead of ASSuming everyone will know exactly what you mean. I see what you mean NOW, but your previous statement is most often used by people arguing that as a justification.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: blackllotus
The death penalty for stealing... last time I checked this was 2007 not 1007

I'll bet you that it will be a long time before another robbery takes place in that neighborhood again.

I'll bet next time robbers show up they show up with guns, too. Cool, keep the old west bullshit mentality where it belongs, down in Mexas and let alll the assbackwards Mexans kill themselves off. :thumbsup: Should help the clear the gene pool out a tad.

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: blackllotus
The death penalty for stealing... last time I checked this was 2007 not 1007

I'll bet you that it will be a long time before another robbery takes place in that neighborhood again.

I bet it would also be pretty effective if we broke burglars on the wheel, why don't we start doing that next? :roll:

Why don't you move to Saudi Arabia, I hear that attitude is pretty popular there...

I'm sorry but exactly what "attitude" are you speaking of?

I made a simple comment that I believe will be factual. How in the world did you make the jump that I would prefer to live in Saudi Arabia?

To clarify my position so that you don't have to make anymore false ASSumptions, unless I feared for my life or another persons life I would not have pulled the trigger.

Well maybe you should clarify your position when you state it instead of ASSuming everyone will know exactly what you mean.

Was my statement somehow confusing thus requiring further clarification? Personally, I thought it was pretty straightforward.

 

[blackllotus]

Given the context of the statement, it implied that you supported the murder of the robbers.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: blackllotus
The death penalty for stealing... last time I checked this was 2007 not 1007

I'll bet you that it will be a long time before another robbery takes place in that neighborhood again.

I'll bet next time robbers show up they show up with guns, too. Cool, keep the old west bullshit mentality where it belongs, down in Mexas and let alll the assbackwards Mexans kill themselves off. :thumbsup: Should help the clear the gene pool out a tad.

Making your decisions based on what criminals might do is silly. They're criminals.

Good people with guns outnumber bad people with guns, and train much more regularly. Armed criminals are more than willing to take a run at my house.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: blackllotus
The death penalty for stealing... last time I checked this was 2007 not 1007

I'll bet you that it will be a long time before another robbery takes place in that neighborhood again.

I'll bet next time robbers show up they show up with guns, too. Cool, keep the old west bullshit mentality where it belongs, down in Mexas and let alll the assbackwards Mexans kill themselves off. :thumbsup: Should help the clear the gene pool out a tad.

Making your decisions based on what criminals might do is silly. They're criminals.

Good people with guns outnumber bad people with guns, and train much more regularly. Armed criminals are more than willing to take a run at my house.

I'm not sure how much stock I'd put in most firearms "training". Sure, it teaches you how to shoot straight, but it doesn't teach you jack shit about how to function in a life or death situation. I can't speak for firearm situations training vs real life, but I can speak for how it works with martial arts. And let me tell you, using what you know when someone is coming after you trying to hurt you is a lot different than practicing it with a partner in the dojo. And spending time at the range isn't even that, it's like thinking you know how to fight because you spend a lot of time hitting a heavy bag. Sure, you might know how to PUNCH...but that's a completely different thing. Paper targets don't shoot back...and criminals, for all their failings, have a lot of aggression and maybe even more experience using their weapon to kill.

Not that you don't have a point, but let's not go too far. I would much rather deal with unarmed robbers than armed robbers if at all possible, the real trick is trying to keep them unarmed. And as you pointed out, they are criminals...trying to predict and/or control what they do can be difficult.

Edit: And that's not to completely knock spending time at the range. Just like hitting a heavy bag, the point is that your actions become automatic to the point where you don't have to think as much as you just react. It's just that only goes so far.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: blackllotus
The death penalty for stealing... last time I checked this was 2007 not 1007

I'll bet you that it will be a long time before another robbery takes place in that neighborhood again.

I'll bet next time robbers show up they show up with guns, too. Cool, keep the old west bullshit mentality where it belongs, down in Mexas and let alll the assbackwards Mexans kill themselves off. :thumbsup: Should help the clear the gene pool out a tad.

Making your decisions based on what criminals might do is silly. They're criminals.

Good people with guns outnumber bad people with guns, and train much more regularly. Armed criminals are more than willing to take a run at my house.

I'm not sure how much stock I'd put in most firearms "training". Sure, it teaches you how to shoot straight, but it doesn't teach you jack shit about how to function in a life or death situation. I can't speak for firearm situations training vs real life, but I can speak for how it works with martial arts. And let me tell you, using what you know when someone is coming after you trying to hurt you is a lot different than practicing it with a partner in the dojo. And spending time at the range isn't even that, it's like thinking you know how to fight because you spend a lot of time hitting a heavy bag. Sure, you might know how to PUNCH...but that's a completely different thing. Paper targets don't shoot back...and criminals, for all their failings, have a lot of aggression and maybe even more experience using their weapon to kill.

Not that you don't have a point, but let's not go too far. I would much rather deal with unarmed robbers than armed robbers if at all possible, the real trick is trying to keep them unarmed. And as you pointed out, they are criminals...trying to predict and/or control what they do can be difficult.

Edit: And that's not to completely knock spending time at the range. Just like hitting a heavy bag, the point is that your actions become automatic to the point where you don't have to think as much as you just react. It's just that only goes so far.

Spending time punching targets at the range is a sport.

Clearing rooms, engaging hostiles holding hostages, firing from behind cover, moving from cover to cover, reloading on the move, etc are real life skills. Of course, they are also sports on their own.

Just like with martial arts, you just have to train, and train and train until you develop instinct style reactions.

I grew up studying martial arts as well, and it took me a long time to transition my instincts from trying to contain\disable someone with my hands to drawing a handgun. In case you didn't know, in most states it is far more legally perillous to engage in hand to hand combat than to use a firearm. Courts have many precedents of saying "If you're so good with martial arts you could have just pinned him on the ground." And so it's very easy to go from "victim" to "mutual combatant" to "assailant." After all, you wouldn't have learned this stuff if you didn't want to fight people and use it. :roll:

 

[Nebor]

Came across Dallas AM 570 this morning. Horn was no-billed by a grand jury.

Also, under SB378 which went into effect last year:
Sec. 83.001. CIVIL IMMUNITY [AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE]. A defendant who uses force or deadly force that is justified under Chapter 9. Penal Code, is immune from civil liability for personal injury or death that results from the defendant's use of force or deadly force, as applicable.

So he's a free man, and free of civil liability, just as I predicted. Thieves and bad guys all over Texas are shaking in their boots.

 

[Moonbeam]

As bad as this is, if it happens every time a home gets burglarized, home burglary will end. You have to decide for yourself if a society with draconian punishment for theft that never gets applied in a society that can sleep safely in their homes is better or worse than a crime ridden permissive society.

Who was it that said, "Thou shalt not steal"?

 

[Nitemare]

I'd give him a reward, but nowadays criminals have my rights than homeowners

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: maddogchen
He reported the burglary to the police, no one appeared to be in harms way, it wasn't his house. police were on their way. He had done his duty.

But no...he goes outside and shoots them when they were trying to get away. I hope it goes to court cuz it does raise issues here, i think he was excessive.

maybe he should have asked them if they wanted his TV as well?

He gave them the opportunity to stop, they resisted, he stopped them. He gave the police ample time to arrive on the scene.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
I'd give him a reward, but nowadays criminals have my rights than homeowners

If they were not causing serious harm, if they were unarmed, and if he did not confront them with an option to surrender which they ignored, then that is not honorable.

 

[Nitemare]

What if he believed they were stealing dvd's that they would rip and torrent?

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
As bad as this is, if it happens every time a home gets burglarized, home burglary will end. You have to decide for yourself if a society with draconian punishment for theft that never gets applied in a society that can sleep safely in their homes is better or worse than a crime ridden permissive society.

Who was it that said, "Thou shalt not steal"?

The same guy that said "Thou shalt not kill".

And I think that if Texas would just execute a few criminals that murder would cease to exist. Oh, wait....

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Nebor
I applaud this old man for defending his neighborhood.

That's what this case will come down to.

Can anyone "defend" a neighborhood?

If not then it will be a free for all of stealing and pillaging by criminals with no fear of impunity.

With the onslaught of the pussification of America sadly that is what may happen.

You really do see the the world as black or white, don't you?: Either its legal to shoot-to-kill burglars in your neighborhood, or the burglars "steal with impunity".

Did it ever occur to you that most criminal types are eventually caught by the police, charged, tried/ convicted (or plea-bargained) and punished? Just like most speeders are eventually pulled over and ticketed.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: blackllotus
The death penalty for stealing... last time I checked this was 2007 not 1007

I'll bet you that it will be a long time before another robbery takes place in that neighborhood again.

Hey, let's have the police shoot-to-kill a few people for speeding. I'll bet no one will ever speed again on that stretch of roadway.

And let's shoot-to-kill a few people who claim inflated values for donated goods on their income tax. Bet you don't see any more claims of $5 used underwear.

With a little killing here and there, we can probably terrorize everyone into the straight and narrow.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: blackllotus
The death penalty for stealing... last time I checked this was 2007 not 1007

I'll bet you that it will be a long time before another robbery takes place in that neighborhood again.

Or the thieves (you don't think crime is going to just end over this do you?) would simply kill whoever they see first instead of being sneaky about it. If it was just jail time they were threatened with, well, no reason to get violent then. But you wanna make theft a life or death situation? You got it.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
As bad as this is, if it happens every time a home gets burglarized, home burglary will end. You have to decide for yourself if a society with draconian punishment for theft that never gets applied in a society that can sleep safely in their homes is better or worse than a crime ridden permissive society.

Who was it that said, "Thou shalt not steal"?

The same guy that said "Thou shalt not kill".

And I think that if Texas would just execute a few criminals that murder would cease to exist. Oh, wait....

I, for one, am proud of him for coming around. I would rather my neighbor be someone that is armed and willing to defend our property with deadly force then a rehabilitated "convict"


and no the thieves would not bring a gun the next time they rob that neighborhood....they would simply go down the street to the hippie kumbaya neighborhood where they are unarmed and get a free dvd player with every tv theft.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
As bad as this is, if it happens every time a home gets burglarized, home burglary will end. You have to decide for yourself if a society with draconian punishment for theft that never gets applied in a society that can sleep safely in their homes is better or worse than a crime ridden permissive society.

Who was it that said, "Thou shalt not steal"?

The same guy that said "Thou shalt not kill".

And I think that if Texas would just execute a few criminals that murder would cease to exist. Oh, wait....

I, for one, am proud of him for coming around. I would rather my neighbor be someone that is armed and willing to defend our property with deadly force then a rehabilitated "convict"


and no the thieves would not bring a gun the next time they rob that neighborhood....they would simply go down the street to the hippie kumbaya neighborhood where they are unarmed and get a free dvd player with every tv theft.

Would you be just as happy that your neighbor played Charles Bronson if your son or daughter were hit? Would you just claim collateral damage and give him a big hug because the neighborhood is still in possession of all of its electronics?

Also. do you think that thieves are googling the news of where things like this happen and then going over to mapquest to do a search to ensure that they are far enough away that the guy whose trigger finger is bigger than his brain isn't close by?

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
As bad as this is, if it happens every time a home gets burglarized, home burglary will end. You have to decide for yourself if a society with draconian punishment for theft that never gets applied in a society that can sleep safely in their homes is better or worse than a crime ridden permissive society.

Who was it that said, "Thou shalt not steal"?

The same guy that said "Thou shalt not kill".

And I think that if Texas would just execute a few criminals that murder would cease to exist. Oh, wait....

I, for one, am proud of him for coming around. I would rather my neighbor be someone that is armed and willing to defend our property with deadly force then a rehabilitated "convict"


and no the thieves would not bring a gun the next time they rob that neighborhood....they would simply go down the street to the hippie kumbaya neighborhood where they are unarmed and get a free dvd player with every tv theft.

Would you be just as happy that your neighbor played Charles Bronson if your son or daughter were hit? Would you just claim collateral damage and give him a big hug because the neighborhood is still in possession of all of its electronics?

Also. do you think that thieves are googling the news of where things like this happen and then going over to mapquest to do a search to ensure that they are far enough away that the guy whose trigger finger is bigger than his brain isn't close by?

Well, only the bad guys died so (hug)

and the thieves aren't doing it on the neighbor's stolen computer so (hug x2)

I'd rather take my chance on a gun toting Bernard Goetz wannabe neighbor then 2 burglars who may or may not be carrying a gun.

 

[RightIsWrong]

I just hope that if you have kids that you don't let them play in the yard. I wouldn't want them to be harmed for your or your neighbor's inability to assess what is truly valuable in this world.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
I just hope that if you have kids that you don't let them play in the yard. I wouldn't want them to be harmed for your or your neighbor's inability to assess what is truly valuable in this world.

So how many times has a child been shot in a situation like this? Does this happen all the time or are you just pulling out every "what if" situation that you can think of? Do you have any facts to back up your irrational fear of kids being shot while a neighbor is stopping a burglary?