Originally posted by: RossMAN
/me waits for someone to mount those on a Hummer as headlights.
Originally posted by: DrPizza
Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Originally posted by: ja1484
Originally posted by: Shadowknight
It'd be very useful for signaling for help if you were lost at sea or while hiking in the mountains, I suppose.
I would love for you to show me the hiker that totes a 54-battery light along with them on the trail, just in case.
This thing uses a Mercury Arc bulb guys. It creates a small amount of plasma between two metal tips. Essentially, he has placed a small star in a carrying case.
I'd do it. It's only 13 lbs.
13 pounds. You've apparently never gone on a long backpacking trip, the kind that takes you far enough from the road where such a light could be handy once in a 1000 outtings. "I know, I'll skip the tent, the mat, the food, the water purifier, the toilet paper... I'll bring a flashlight instead!"
Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Originally posted by: DrPizza
13 pounds. You've apparently never gone on a long backpacking trip, the kind that takes you far enough from the road where such a light could be handy once in a 1000 outtings. "I know, I'll skip the tent, the mat, the food, the water purifier, the toilet paper... I'll bring a flashlight instead!"
What kind of wimp are you? Honestly, it's only 13 lbs. If that's a serious amount of weight for you and it's just going to put your pack over the edge I'm really sorry for you.
I just bumped over to R.E.I. out of curiosity and was checking weights on things. A good backpacking tent is about 6 pounds. A solar powered water purifier is 10 ounces. Let's go really nuts and give you 20 lbs of food. And since you're eating a lot you'll probably need a fair amount of toilet paper. In the interest of making this completely ridiculous you get 5 lbs. of toilet paper. I'll give you 15 lbs. for misc things like your mat (wtf), first aid kit, pack itself etc.
With that load you're at roughly 47 lbs of pack weight. The flashlight would put you at 60 even and I'm sure we can all agree that this number is slightly off and would probably be more like 40, if that. That's really too much weight for you, huh? You know an Army soldiers load out is between 90-120 pounds. I wonder if you could even stand up with that much weight.
Originally posted by: LS21
Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Originally posted by: DrPizza
13 pounds. You've apparently never gone on a long backpacking trip, the kind that takes you far enough from the road where such a light could be handy once in a 1000 outtings. "I know, I'll skip the tent, the mat, the food, the water purifier, the toilet paper... I'll bring a flashlight instead!"
What kind of wimp are you? Honestly, it's only 13 lbs. If that's a serious amount of weight for you and it's just going to put your pack over the edge I'm really sorry for you.
I just bumped over to R.E.I. out of curiosity and was checking weights on things. A good backpacking tent is about 6 pounds. A solar powered water purifier is 10 ounces. Let's go really nuts and give you 20 lbs of food. And since you're eating a lot you'll probably need a fair amount of toilet paper. In the interest of making this completely ridiculous you get 5 lbs. of toilet paper. I'll give you 15 lbs. for misc things like your mat (wtf), first aid kit, pack itself etc.
With that load you're at roughly 47 lbs of pack weight. The flashlight would put you at 60 even and I'm sure we can all agree that this number is slightly off and would probably be more like 40, if that. That's really too much weight for you, huh? You know an Army soldiers load out is between 90-120 pounds. I wonder if you could even stand up with that much weight.
now you've convinced everyone that you've never gone camping. people would drop rainflys to save a few OZ. we have tent, bag, pad, AND light combos COMBINED that dont weigh as much as a 13lb flashlight.
Beleve me, at broad daylight, with the sun at its highest point, this mercury Thor gives the same performance as a 8 inch diameter flat mirror reflecting direct sunlight. The spot is visible on buildings more than 400 yards away!
Maybe in the nearby future I'll post a few beamshots taken in broad daylight!
He upgraded the electronics after they made the initial write up. It's currently 58 million.Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
from that thread:
http://candlepowerforums.com/v...664280&t=125819&page=4
he said the article is wrong. it's actually 58 million. WTF!!
Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Originally posted by: LS21
Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Originally posted by: DrPizza
13 pounds. You've apparently never gone on a long backpacking trip, the kind that takes you far enough from the road where such a light could be handy once in a 1000 outtings. "I know, I'll skip the tent, the mat, the food, the water purifier, the toilet paper... I'll bring a flashlight instead!"
What kind of wimp are you? Honestly, it's only 13 lbs. If that's a serious amount of weight for you and it's just going to put your pack over the edge I'm really sorry for you.
I just bumped over to R.E.I. out of curiosity and was checking weights on things. A good backpacking tent is about 6 pounds. A solar powered water purifier is 10 ounces. Let's go really nuts and give you 20 lbs of food. And since you're eating a lot you'll probably need a fair amount of toilet paper. In the interest of making this completely ridiculous you get 5 lbs. of toilet paper. I'll give you 15 lbs. for misc things like your mat (wtf), first aid kit, pack itself etc.
With that load you're at roughly 47 lbs of pack weight. The flashlight would put you at 60 even and I'm sure we can all agree that this number is slightly off and would probably be more like 40, if that. That's really too much weight for you, huh? You know an Army soldiers load out is between 90-120 pounds. I wonder if you could even stand up with that much weight.
now you've convinced everyone that you've never gone camping. people would drop rainflys to save a few OZ. we have tent, bag, pad, AND light combos COMBINED that dont weigh as much as a 13lb flashlight.
You're right, I don't go camping. I live out in the country already and I prefer to have a shower in the morning.
You're proving my point, though. These "hikers" are pussies.
Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Originally posted by: LS21
Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Originally posted by: DrPizza
13 pounds. You've apparently never gone on a long backpacking trip, the kind that takes you far enough from the road where such a light could be handy once in a 1000 outtings. "I know, I'll skip the tent, the mat, the food, the water purifier, the toilet paper... I'll bring a flashlight instead!"
What kind of wimp are you? Honestly, it's only 13 lbs. If that's a serious amount of weight for you and it's just going to put your pack over the edge I'm really sorry for you.
I just bumped over to R.E.I. out of curiosity and was checking weights on things. A good backpacking tent is about 6 pounds. A solar powered water purifier is 10 ounces. Let's go really nuts and give you 20 lbs of food. And since you're eating a lot you'll probably need a fair amount of toilet paper. In the interest of making this completely ridiculous you get 5 lbs. of toilet paper. I'll give you 15 lbs. for misc things like your mat (wtf), first aid kit, pack itself etc.
With that load you're at roughly 47 lbs of pack weight. The flashlight would put you at 60 even and I'm sure we can all agree that this number is slightly off and would probably be more like 40, if that. That's really too much weight for you, huh? You know an Army soldiers load out is between 90-120 pounds. I wonder if you could even stand up with that much weight.
now you've convinced everyone that you've never gone camping. people would drop rainflys to save a few OZ. we have tent, bag, pad, AND light combos COMBINED that dont weigh as much as a 13lb flashlight.
You're right, I don't go camping. I live out in the country already and I prefer to have a shower in the morning.
You're proving my point, though. These "hikers" are pussies.
Originally posted by: flxnimprtmsclWhat kind of wimp are you? ...you'll probably need a fair amount of toilet paper.
Originally posted by: ja1484
Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Originally posted by: LS21
Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Originally posted by: DrPizza
13 pounds. You've apparently never gone on a long backpacking trip, the kind that takes you far enough from the road where such a light could be handy once in a 1000 outtings. "I know, I'll skip the tent, the mat, the food, the water purifier, the toilet paper... I'll bring a flashlight instead!"
What kind of wimp are you? Honestly, it's only 13 lbs. If that's a serious amount of weight for you and it's just going to put your pack over the edge I'm really sorry for you.
I just bumped over to R.E.I. out of curiosity and was checking weights on things. A good backpacking tent is about 6 pounds. A solar powered water purifier is 10 ounces. Let's go really nuts and give you 20 lbs of food. And since you're eating a lot you'll probably need a fair amount of toilet paper. In the interest of making this completely ridiculous you get 5 lbs. of toilet paper. I'll give you 15 lbs. for misc things like your mat (wtf), first aid kit, pack itself etc.
With that load you're at roughly 47 lbs of pack weight. The flashlight would put you at 60 even and I'm sure we can all agree that this number is slightly off and would probably be more like 40, if that. That's really too much weight for you, huh? You know an Army soldiers load out is between 90-120 pounds. I wonder if you could even stand up with that much weight.
now you've convinced everyone that you've never gone camping. people would drop rainflys to save a few OZ. we have tent, bag, pad, AND light combos COMBINED that dont weigh as much as a 13lb flashlight.
You're right, I don't go camping. I live out in the country already and I prefer to have a shower in the morning.
You're proving my point, though. These "hikers" are pussies.
And you're a moron completely ignorant of the activity you're discussing. Just stop now.
Real wilderness travel is not a picnic, requires specialized gear (most of which you will not find at REI, mainly due to their very poor selection/affinity for high margin brands), and light is right.
Cut the "army loadout" horseshit. The terrain they cover doesn't hold a candle to the stuff that a serious trekking or climbing team would encounter. The Army doesn't march platoons over mountain ranges, it airlifts them.
If you're in 3rd class or more difficult terrain, especially grade III or higher (and no, 3rd class and grade III are not the same), what you pack, and what it weighs, begins to seriously affect your ability to respond to and/or survive an emergency. When we get to 4th class or harder terrain, loadouts heavier than 20lbs cease to be a realistic in any sense of the word. When we get to 5th or 6th class terrain, people start talking about load differences in grams.
I'm thrilled you live in the sticks and like to pretend you know something about wilderness self-sufficiency. Unfortunately, it's plainly clear from your comments that that's all you're doing - pretending. I *love* getting guide jobs that include guys like you....cocky attitude, most of the time semi-athletic and can put up a good show for their dick-size contest buddies on the bench press...and watching you learn humility over the course of a few weeks. Never fails to bring a smile to my face.
Only wimps need to carry equipment.Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
What kind of wimp doesn't use pine cones? Pffft, toilet paper is a luxury of the weak, the sissy, the civilized.Originally posted by: flxnimprtmsclWhat kind of wimp are you? ...you'll probably need a fair amount of toilet paper.
:Q :thumbsup:Originally posted by: ja1484
Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
You're right, I don't go camping. I live out in the country already and I prefer to have a shower in the morning.
You're proving my point, though. These "hikers" are pussies.
And you're a moron completely ignorant of the activity you're discussing. Just stop now.
Real wilderness travel is not a picnic, requires specialized gear (most of which you will not find at REI, mainly due to their very poor selection/affinity for high margin brands), and light is right.
Cut the "army loadout" horseshit. The terrain they cover doesn't hold a candle to the stuff that a serious trekking or climbing team would encounter. The Army doesn't march platoons over mountain ranges, it airlifts them.
If you're in 3rd class or more difficult terrain, especially grade III or higher (and no, 3rd class and grade III are not the same), what you pack, and what it weighs, begins to seriously affect your ability to respond to and/or survive an emergency. When we get to 4th class or harder terrain, loadouts heavier than 20lbs cease to be a realistic in any sense of the word. When we get to 5th or 6th class terrain, people start talking about load differences in grams.
I'm thrilled you live in the sticks and like to pretend you know something about wilderness self-sufficiency. Unfortunately, it's plainly clear from your comments that that's all you're doing - pretending. I *love* getting guide jobs that include guys like you....cocky attitude, most of the time semi-athletic and can put up a good show for their dick-size contest buddies on the bench press...and watching you learn humility over the course of a few weeks. Never fails to bring a smile to my face.
Originally posted by: ja1484
This thing uses a Mercury Arc bulb guys. It creates a small amount of plasma between two metal tips. Essentially, he has placed a small star in a carrying case.
Originally posted by: ja1484
Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Originally posted by: LS21
Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Originally posted by: DrPizza
13 pounds. You've apparently never gone on a long backpacking trip, the kind that takes you far enough from the road where such a light could be handy once in a 1000 outtings. "I know, I'll skip the tent, the mat, the food, the water purifier, the toilet paper... I'll bring a flashlight instead!"
What kind of wimp are you? Honestly, it's only 13 lbs. If that's a serious amount of weight for you and it's just going to put your pack over the edge I'm really sorry for you.
I just bumped over to R.E.I. out of curiosity and was checking weights on things. A good backpacking tent is about 6 pounds. A solar powered water purifier is 10 ounces. Let's go really nuts and give you 20 lbs of food. And since you're eating a lot you'll probably need a fair amount of toilet paper. In the interest of making this completely ridiculous you get 5 lbs. of toilet paper. I'll give you 15 lbs. for misc things like your mat (wtf), first aid kit, pack itself etc.
With that load you're at roughly 47 lbs of pack weight. The flashlight would put you at 60 even and I'm sure we can all agree that this number is slightly off and would probably be more like 40, if that. That's really too much weight for you, huh? You know an Army soldiers load out is between 90-120 pounds. I wonder if you could even stand up with that much weight.
now you've convinced everyone that you've never gone camping. people would drop rainflys to save a few OZ. we have tent, bag, pad, AND light combos COMBINED that dont weigh as much as a 13lb flashlight.
You're right, I don't go camping. I live out in the country already and I prefer to have a shower in the morning.
You're proving my point, though. These "hikers" are pussies.
And you're a moron completely ignorant of the activity you're discussing. Just stop now.
Real wilderness travel is not a picnic, requires specialized gear (most of which you will not find at REI, mainly due to their very poor selection/affinity for high margin brands), and light is right.
Cut the "army loadout" horseshit. The terrain they cover doesn't hold a candle to the stuff that a serious trekking or climbing team would encounter. The Army doesn't march platoons over mountain ranges, it airlifts them.
If you're in 3rd class or more difficult terrain, especially grade III or higher (and no, 3rd class and grade III are not the same), what you pack, and what it weighs, begins to seriously affect your ability to respond to and/or survive an emergency. When we get to 4th class or harder terrain, loadouts heavier than 20lbs cease to be a realistic in any sense of the word. When we get to 5th or 6th class terrain, people start talking about load differences in grams.
I'm thrilled you live in the sticks and like to pretend you know something about wilderness self-sufficiency. Unfortunately, it's plainly clear from your comments that that's all you're doing - pretending. I *love* getting guide jobs that include guys like you....cocky attitude, most of the time semi-athletic and can put up a good show for their dick-size contest buddies on the bench press...and watching you learn humility over the course of a few weeks. Never fails to bring a smile to my face.
Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Originally posted by: DrPizza
Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Originally posted by: ja1484
Originally posted by: Shadowknight
It'd be very useful for signaling for help if you were lost at sea or while hiking in the mountains, I suppose.
I would love for you to show me the hiker that totes a 54-battery light along with them on the trail, just in case.
This thing uses a Mercury Arc bulb guys. It creates a small amount of plasma between two metal tips. Essentially, he has placed a small star in a carrying case.
I'd do it. It's only 13 lbs.
13 pounds. You've apparently never gone on a long backpacking trip, the kind that takes you far enough from the road where such a light could be handy once in a 1000 outtings. "I know, I'll skip the tent, the mat, the food, the water purifier, the toilet paper... I'll bring a flashlight instead!"
What kind of wimp are you? Honestly, it's only 13 lbs. If that's a serious amount of weight for you and it's just going to put your pack over the edge I'm really sorry for you.
I just bumped over to R.E.I. out of curiosity and was checking weights on things. A good backpacking tent is about 6 pounds. A solar powered water purifier is 10 ounces. Let's go really nuts and give you 20 lbs of food. And since you're eating a lot you'll probably need a fair amount of toilet paper. In the interest of making this completely ridiculous you get 5 lbs. of toilet paper. I'll give you 15 lbs. for misc things like your mat (wtf), first aid kit, pack itself etc.
With that load you're at roughly 47 lbs of pack weight. The flashlight would put you at 60 even and I'm sure we can all agree that this number is slightly off and would probably be more like 40, if that. That's really too much weight for you, huh? You know an Army soldiers load out is between 90-120 pounds. I wonder if you could even stand up with that much weight.
Hobbies aren't usually practical endeavors.Originally posted by: mugs
As much as I enjoy flashlights, I think it's just silly to spend that kind of money on such an impractical light.
Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Originally posted by: ja1484
Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Originally posted by: LS21
Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Originally posted by: DrPizza
13 pounds. You've apparently never gone on a long backpacking trip, the kind that takes you far enough from the road where such a light could be handy once in a 1000 outtings. "I know, I'll skip the tent, the mat, the food, the water purifier, the toilet paper... I'll bring a flashlight instead!"
What kind of wimp are you? Honestly, it's only 13 lbs. If that's a serious amount of weight for you and it's just going to put your pack over the edge I'm really sorry for you.
I just bumped over to R.E.I. out of curiosity and was checking weights on things. A good backpacking tent is about 6 pounds. A solar powered water purifier is 10 ounces. Let's go really nuts and give you 20 lbs of food. And since you're eating a lot you'll probably need a fair amount of toilet paper. In the interest of making this completely ridiculous you get 5 lbs. of toilet paper. I'll give you 15 lbs. for misc things like your mat (wtf), first aid kit, pack itself etc.
With that load you're at roughly 47 lbs of pack weight. The flashlight would put you at 60 even and I'm sure we can all agree that this number is slightly off and would probably be more like 40, if that. That's really too much weight for you, huh? You know an Army soldiers load out is between 90-120 pounds. I wonder if you could even stand up with that much weight.
now you've convinced everyone that you've never gone camping. people would drop rainflys to save a few OZ. we have tent, bag, pad, AND light combos COMBINED that dont weigh as much as a 13lb flashlight.
You're right, I don't go camping. I live out in the country already and I prefer to have a shower in the morning.
You're proving my point, though. These "hikers" are pussies.
And you're a moron completely ignorant of the activity you're discussing. Just stop now.
Real wilderness travel is not a picnic, requires specialized gear (most of which you will not find at REI, mainly due to their very poor selection/affinity for high margin brands), and light is right.
Cut the "army loadout" horseshit. The terrain they cover doesn't hold a candle to the stuff that a serious trekking or climbing team would encounter. The Army doesn't march platoons over mountain ranges, it airlifts them.
If you're in 3rd class or more difficult terrain, especially grade III or higher (and no, 3rd class and grade III are not the same), what you pack, and what it weighs, begins to seriously affect your ability to respond to and/or survive an emergency. When we get to 4th class or harder terrain, loadouts heavier than 20lbs cease to be a realistic in any sense of the word. When we get to 5th or 6th class terrain, people start talking about load differences in grams.
I'm thrilled you live in the sticks and like to pretend you know something about wilderness self-sufficiency. Unfortunately, it's plainly clear from your comments that that's all you're doing - pretending. I *love* getting guide jobs that include guys like you....cocky attitude, most of the time semi-athletic and can put up a good show for their dick-size contest buddies on the bench press...and watching you learn humility over the course of a few weeks. Never fails to bring a smile to my face.
Awesome, allow me to retort.
1. I never said I know a damn thing about wilderness survival. In fact, if you'd actually bothered to read my post you'd see I clearly stated that I don't go camping. Asking you to read from comprehension instead of reading to see what you can nitpick might have been expecting a bit much, though. What I said was that I live out in the country. I said this because I'd imagine most hikers are people from the city who want to go out to the forest for a weekend and pretend they're Davy Crockett or whatever the fuck they do out there.
2. This point is important so pay attention. What started this all was talk about taking this flashlight hiking. Got it? The operative word here is hiking. That being said, your brief description of what are acceptable load weights for each class was very impressive. I, as well as everyone else here, is impressed with your knowledge and your e-penis is now huge. However... after a quick search of the terms you mentioned it's apparent that terrain above class 3 is basically climbing. Not hiking, climbing. Slight bit of difference, don't you think? So, while that was all truly impressive, it really has no bearing on what's being talked about there.
Next time when you read a post, before you get your panties all in a twist make sure you actually understand what's being talked about. I said I'd have no problem taking an extra 13 lbs hiking and that anyone who thought it was an excessive amount of weight for hiking is a little weak. Obviously, if you're doing actual climbing then excess weight is a huge factor. You'll get no argument from me there.
Cliff Notes (since you don't seem to like to read)
1. You didn't actually comprehend what was being discussed and got your panties in a bunch when there was really no reason.
2. You made a big post that has almost zero relevance to what was being discussed.
3. You're an idiot.