man dies after NYPD cop puts him in chokehold

[mizzou]

making an arrest that was not worth it to be honest.

Yeah, they should just walk away

 

[Linux23]

My bad. Watching it for the umpteenth time, I hear that he does say it twice when he is first down in the ground and the cop is rolling off his back. The cop then let's go at that point.

And technically, if you talk to anyone involved in MMA, it was not a chokehold. Yes, the cop did grab him around the neck, but it is not a chokehold.

- Merg

He said it about 11 or 12 times that he can't breath! Wtf else do you want?

 

[Zorkorist]

I never said let him go. I said get off of him and undo the chokehold they had on him for a brief second to see wtf was going on with his health. All of those officers standing 3 yards aside for a fat black man waiting to pounce on him if he got up from the pavement. If he got up, then yeah, jump on him again, but they were adamant about making an arrest that was not worth it to be honest. Now the city taxpayers got to pay for the cleanup.

Never mind, he was yelling, "I can't breathe."

-John

 

[CitizenKain]

Actually, the more I watch the video, I wonder if the death was caused more from the officers being on his back when they were trying to subdue him as opposed to the chokehold. Obviously, a couple 200 pound guys on the back of a guy does put pressure on the diaphragm.

- Merg

Yes, choking someone, then actively trying to prevent him from breathing will do that. Maybe someone can return the favor to these pigs at some point, they don't deserve anything better.

 

[Linux23]

Never mind, he was yelling, "I can't breathe."

-John

which for a person with asthma is what?

 

[The Merg]

I never said let him go. I said get off of him and undo the chokehold they had on him for a brief second to see wtf was going on with his health. All of those officers standing 3 yards aside for a fat black man waiting to pounce on him if he got up from the pavement. If he got up, then yeah, jump on him again, but they were adamant about making an arrest that was not worth it to be honest. Now the city taxpayers got to pay for the cleanup.

If a cop is hands on with a subject trying to arrest him, they are not going to let him go AT ANY TIME until he is cuffed. People being arrested will say anything to keep from being arrested. They need to have him cuffed first and then they can deal with any medical issues that come up.

- Merg

 

[Zorkorist]

Yeah,

bullshit. as we can see in this guys arrest.

If cops knew what they were doing, he wouldn't have been killed.

-John

 

[The Merg]

He said it about 11 or 12 times that he can't breath! Wtf else do you want?

Maybe it's my phone, which is where I keep watching the video, but I don't hear him saying that until he is on the ground at the end of the hold.

The police cannot stop and try to determine if his pleas are real or not until he is handcuffed.

Once again, if the police say you are under arrest, don't resist.

- Merg

 

[werepossum]

If he has a weapon and they let him go before being handcuffed who's fault is that. They needed to handcuff him first. Anybody can possibly have a weapon, even a 12 year old kid.

So a big and fat person cannot present a danger? It took 4 cops to put him on the ground. Yeah, I'm sure he couldn't have hurt anyone.

And it all comes down to failing to follow directions again. He was told he was under arrest and when they try to arrest him he prevents them from doing so.

Actually, the more I watch the video, I wonder if the death was caused more from the officers being on his back when they were trying to subdue him as opposed to the chokehold. Obviously, a couple 200 pound guys on the back of a guy does put pressure on the diaphragm.

- Merg

Sure, he could have had a weapon, but he's not likely to draw it with his teeth, so why the choke hold? There are at least six cops there; surely they can control his limbs without choking him out.

I suspect after watching the video that his death may be more due to the weight of the cops on him, his own weight, and his asthma than the choke hold, so maybe the choker didn't directly kill him. But he certainly contributed to it, and he should have been charged. There is no excuse for a cop choking a barely mobile man they have outnumbered six to one and down on the ground. Even if he had a heart attack, the choke hold's stress surely played into it.

And why aren't the cops attempting to resuscitate him? Isn't that part of their job description, to render aid until paramedics/EMTs arrive?

 

[mizzou]

If a cop is hands on with a subject trying to arrest him, they are not going to let him go AT ANY TIME until he is cuffed. People being arrested will say anything to keep from being arrested. They need to have him cuffed first and then they can deal with any medical issues that come up.

- Merg

exactly. Many get "incarceritis" and have issues, some fake, some actually real (mostly anxiety related), and can't do something simple like put their hands behind their back...which isn't that big of a deal honestly unless you are a huge person.

if you've never dealt with the criminal element before, you just can't understand.

There are alllllways exceptions, always...but to come in and say "Nah, they should have been like "You are under arrest....j/k but for real though I wanted to arrest you." is crazy.

When someone says "You Are Under Arrest" at that point, it is their sworn duty to bring you to court (or refer you). You get your day in court. If you fight or resist, you will be charged for that. If you run away, you will get charged. But you will always get brought to court.

 

[Zorkorist]

Cops need to learn that they can back off.

They have the entire legal system at their disposal.

Whatever this person did, he's a person.

-John

 

[Remobz]

Cops dropped the ball here. Where is the justice here America?

 

[mizzou]

Cops need to learn that they can back off.

They have the entire legal system at their disposal.

Whatever this person did, he's a person.

-John

I'd tell you that that would mean a complete destruction of the legal system...but I would be a bit of a hypocrite. Many agencies routinely "back off" from arrestable traffic offenses because it is of a too severe danger to innocent people. I think that is an OK policy, even though it lets many crazy criminals run free. But I don't think that's necessarily for the criminals safety...it's more to not let other people get hurt over something possibly minor.

 

[mizzou]

Cops dropped the ball here. Where is the justice here America?

They will get justice, just not in the form of an indictment for murder. If we could just be patient...everyone will see it.

 

[Zorkorist]

We, as a society, can not be expected to be patient, while the people we ALLOW to govern us, attack us.

It's not right.

-John

 

[mizzou]

We, as a society, can not be expected to be patient, while the people we ALLOW to govern us, attack us.

It's not right.

-John

Attacking you? Go outside and film the battlefield where the civilians are being attacked.

All I see are a bunch of criminals getting their asses handed to them or cops fucking up when investigating a crime.

 

[Zorkorist]

Of course that is what you see.

Everyone is against Mizzou



-John

 

[mizzou]

Of course that is what you see.

Everyone is against Mizzou



-John

It certainly feels that way lol

 

[werepossum]

I never said let him go. I said get off of him and undo the chokehold they had on him for a brief second to see wtf was going on with his health. All of those officers standing 3 yards aside for a fat black man waiting to pounce on him if he got up from the pavement. If he got up, then yeah, jump on him again, but they were adamant about making an arrest that was not worth it to be honest. Now the city taxpayers got to pay for the cleanup.

I don't necessarily trust the dude running the commentary tract, but it doesn't SEEM like the cops even caught the guy selling unstamped cigarettes on this particular day. It's more like "Well, there was a disturbance, and we had to come out here so we're going to arrest somebody, and we've caught you selling unstamped cigarettes before, so we're going to arrest you. Maybe you'll have something on you."

I'd tell you that that would mean a complete destruction of the legal system...but I would be a bit of a hypocrite. Many agencies routinely "back off" from arrestable traffic offenses because it is of a too severe danger to innocent people. I think that is an OK policy, even though it lets many crazy criminals run free. But I don't think that's necessarily for the criminals safety...it's more to not let other people get hurt over something possibly minor.

It's not clear to me to this dude even was committing a crime at the time. Seems to me that far too often guys (especially black guys) get arrested and the charges basically boil down to resisting arrest, without any particularly valid reason for the arrest. IMO if there are no valid prosecutable charges for the arrest, then simple resisting arrest should be dropped as well.

 

[JockoJohnson]

Protestors are completely justified with this ruling. This is ridiculous. If there was video evidence in Ferguson, maybe things would be different. As it stands now, I have to agree with the Ferguson GJ. However, with the NY cops, I can't see how the cop(s) got away with it.

 

[Genx87]

Cops need to learn that they can back off.

They have the entire legal system at their disposal.

Whatever this person did, he's a person.

-John

Heroes dont back down in the face of adversity.

 

[Zorkorist]

They didn't get away with it.

The whole world saw it.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

Heroes dont back down in the face of adversity.

They are public servants. Close to the opposite of heroes.

-John

 

[Genx87]

They are public servants. Close to the opposite of heroes.

-John

It was sarcasm. Cops are heroes didnt you know?

 

[sportage]

I assume even if there were clear video evidence for the Zimmerman Martin case, Zimmerman would still have walked. Obviously, having video evidence and police cams makes no difference. The problem isn't evidence, it is perception. The law always has the upper hand. That should be quite clear by now.

I suppose only when white republican children start dying by the hand of law enforcement will anything be done.
Can you imagine if the tides were turned, the outrage from white republican parents?
Yeah, like that tide would ever happen in America.

Charlie Manson always wanted a race war.
Looks like his wishful thinking was a bit ahead of its time.