man dies after NYPD cop puts him in chokehold

[Zorkorist]

This is changing, Sportage.

People are starting to see Government rule, through cameras, etc.

-John

 

[Brainonska511]

Protestors are completely justified with this ruling. This is ridiculous. If there was video evidence in Ferguson, maybe things would be different. As it stands now, I have to agree with the Ferguson GJ. However, with the NY cops, I can't see how the cop(s) got away with it.

It seems that in NYC, there are two ways to commit crimes without consequence: run someone over with a car or be a cop while committing a crime.

 

[ivwshane]

It was sarcasm. Cops are heroes didnt you know?

This would be the time to use a sarcasm tag----> /s

 

[Zorkorist]

Lol,

Leave it to iwshane to make sure the Heil is right and Hitler,

-John

 

[Abwx]

Murder in day light, besides, choking is forbidden for NYPD agents, yet the policeman was cleared of any responsability or guilt.

 

[ivwshane]

Lol,

Leave it to iwshane to make sure the Heil is right and Hitler,

-John

Uh what?

 

[trenchfoot]

Protestors are completely justified with this ruling. This is ridiculous. If there was video evidence in Ferguson, maybe things would be different. As it stands now, I have to agree with the Ferguson GJ. However, with the NY cops, I can't see how the cop(s) got away with it.

I have to think the GJ decided it was an "accidental" death due mainly to the arrestee resisting arrest and the officers having no knowledge of the illnesses the arrestee suffered from during the "routine" take down. The officer administering the choke hold may have convinced the GJ that in the confusing and rapidly unfolding arrest, he thought he was actually applying a sleeper hold (restricting the lateral vascular) rather than a choke hold (tracheal).

I'm guessing that the arresting officers claimed they did not know the arrestee was dying from what to them was a "normal" unencumbered take down and cuffing until it was too late to revive the subject.

 

[Zorkorist]

The only way we as a society learn, is when we look back on ourselves.

-John

 

[ivwshane]

I have to think the GJ decided it was an "accidental" death due mainly to the arrestee resisting arrest and the officers having no knowledge of the illnesses the arrestee suffered from during the "routine" take down. The officer administering the choke hold may have convinced the GJ that in the confusing and rapidly unfolding arrest, he thought he was actually applying a sleeper hold (restricting the lateral vascular) rather than a choke hold (tracheal).

I'm guessing that the arresting officers claimed they did not know the arrestee was dying from what to them was a "normal" unencumbered take down and cuffing until it was too late to revive the subject.

Confusing and rapidly unfolding? Are you fucking serious? All the other cops were calm and talking to the guy. This one cop decides, by himself, that he's had enough talk and decides to take the guy down.

We have the video, we've all seen the video, you can't simply make up shit to fit your belief!

 

[The Merg]

Uh what?

Okay, that confused me too...

- Merg

 

[waterjug]

At this point a police officer could walk into someone's house, execute them and their children, on tape, and probably not even face charges.

'well we had intel the 4 year old may have downloaded an mp3. Then they wet themselves while we were sodomizing his mother to death with a fire-poker. So technically that's felony resisting arrest, so we had to get get a can of salmon from their pantry, open it and decapitate the child with the jagged edge of the lid. I know it's not following protocol, we're supposed to use a tuna can, but we had to make due'

 

[The Merg]

I have to think the GJ decided it was an "accidental" death due mainly to the arrestee resisting arrest and the officers having no knowledge of the illnesses the arrestee suffered from during the "routine" take down. The officer administering the choke hold may have convinced the GJ that in the confusing and rapidly unfolding arrest, he thought he was actually applying a sleeper hold (restricting the lateral vascular) rather than a choke hold (tracheal).

I'm guessing that the arresting officers claimed they did not know the arrestee was dying from what to them was a "normal" unencumbered take down and cuffing until it was too late to revive the subject.

I don't think the sleeper hold was a trained procedure as well for the officer.

One of the things that concerns me is that the officers did not render aid after he is handcuffed. They do appear to turn him on his side, which is correct thing to do as opposed to leaving him on his stomach, which compresses the diaphragm. I think it was four minutes before rescue arrived, right? If he stopped breathing, the cops needed to start rescue breathing and then CPR until rescue arrived.

- Merg

 

[The Merg]

Confusing and rapidly unfolding? Are you fucking serious? All the other cops were calm and talking to the guy. This one cop decides, by himself, that he's had enough talk and decides to take the guy down.

We have the video, we've all seen the video, you can't simply make up shit to fit your belief!

The one cop tries to get him to put his hands behind his back and Garner starts repeatedly saying "Don't touch me" and pulls his hands away from the cop when he is grabbed. The cop in front then tries to grab his hand and Garner again pulls his hands away, so the cop in the rear takes him to the ground.

- Merg

 

[werepossum]

I have to think the GJ decided it was an "accidental" death due mainly to the arrestee resisting arrest and the officers having no knowledge of the illnesses the arrestee suffered from during the "routine" take down. The officer administering the choke hold may have convinced the GJ that in the confusing and rapidly unfolding arrest, he thought he was actually applying a sleeper hold (restricting the lateral vascular) rather than a choke hold (tracheal).

I'm guessing that the arresting officers claimed they did not know the arrestee was dying from what to them was a "normal" unencumbered take down and cuffing until it was too late to revive the subject.

Probably, but aren't sleeper holds also banned as far too dangerous? And why would one be needed when there are two or three other cops cuffing the guy and two or three more cops ready to pile on? And the biggest question of all - why did they not attempt to render any aid?

I'm all in favor of giving cops a lot of latitude, but this seems to me to be a bridge too far. They flat-out killed the guy for a bullshit charge, and then stood around making zero attempts to save his life. I don't wanna lip-lock a 400 lb dude either, but shit, do something. At the very least, uncuff him and move his arms around, massage his wrists. Remember, this is dude ostensibly being taken down for selling untaxed cigarettes one by one, not the freakin' Son of Sam.

 

[werepossum]

At this point a police officer could walk into someone's house, execute them and their children, on tape, and probably not even face charges.

'well we had intel the 4 year old may have downloaded an mp3. Then they wet themselves while we were sodomizing his mother to death with a fire-poker. So technically that's felony resisting arrest, so we had to get get a can of salmon from their pantry, open it and decapitate the child with the jagged edge of the lid. I know it's not following protocol, we're supposed to use a tuna can, but we had to make due'

lol!

I don't think it's quite that bad, but as gallows humor goes I'll give it an 'A'.

 

[trenchfoot]

Probably, but aren't sleeper holds also banned as far too dangerous? And why would one be needed when there are two or three other cops cuffing the guy and two or three more cops ready to pile on? And the biggest question of all - why did they not attempt to render any aid?

I'm all in favor of giving cops a lot of latitude, but this seems to me to be a bridge too far. They flat-out killed the guy for a bullshit charge, and then stood around making zero attempts to save his life. I don't wanna lip-lock a 400 lb dude either, but shit, do something. At the very least, uncuff him and move his arms around, massage his wrists. Remember, this is dude ostensibly being taken down for selling untaxed cigarettes one by one, not the freakin' Son of Sam.

I'm not at all familiar with NYPD's precise wording on choke holds. But if there's a single hair-splitting technical "stay out of jail" clause that the officer who applied the hold could use to get out from under the no choke hold policy, IMO, that would be it, improperly applied or not.

I completely agree with you that the arrest was a classic FUBAR from the get-go to the tragic conclusion, including the no indictment decision. Logic clearly points that out.

The only possible relief I can think of from my unqualified point of view is for the victim's family getting an armored car load of $$$ from filing a wrongful death suit.

 

[The Merg]

I'm not at all familiar with NYPD's precise wording on choke holds. But if there's a single hair-splitting technical "stay out of jail" clause that the officer who applied the hold could use to get out from under the no choke hold policy, IMO, that would be it, improperly applied or not.

Saying they applied a sleeper hold instead of a chokehold would have no bearing making it a "stay out of jail" technicality. Neither one of them were authorized techniques by NYPD. In either case, the officer failed to follow policy. However, failing to follow policy does not mean illegal. At this point, the officer will face administrative consequences for not following procedure.

- Merg

 

[Zorkorist]

Saying they applied a sleeper hold instead of a chokehold would have no bearing making it a "stay out of jail" technicality. Neither one of them were authorized techniques by NYPD. In either case, the officer failed to follow policy. However, failing to follow policy does not mean illegal. At this point, the officer will face administrative consequences for not following procedure.

- Merg

And the video should be shown to everyone in America.

Here you go. This is what your taxes pay for. This is your police force.

-John

 

[HomerJS]

I have to think the GJ decided it was an "accidental" death due mainly to the arrestee resisting arrest and the officers having no knowledge of the illnesses the arrestee suffered from during the "routine" take down. The officer administering the choke hold may have convinced the GJ that in the confusing and rapidly unfolding arrest, he thought he was actually applying a sleeper hold (restricting the lateral vascular) rather than a choke hold (tracheal).

I'm guessing that the arresting officers claimed they did not know the arrestee was dying from what to them was a "normal" unencumbered take down and cuffing until it was too late to revive the subject.

Too late to revive??? There were EMS workers on the scene and they did nothing! Think that had something to do with his death as well?????

 

[HomerJS]

The one cop tries to get him to put his hands behind his back and Garner starts repeatedly saying "Don't touch me" and pulls his hands away from the cop when he is grabbed. The cop in front then tries to grab his hand and Garner again pulls his hands away, so the cop in the rear takes him to the ground.

- Merg

What did he say before "don't touch me". Maybe something about these cops always harassing him??

 

[Jaskalas]

Too late to revive??? There were EMS workers on the scene and they did nothing! Think that had something to do with his death as well?????

Rumor has it they already knew he was dead.

 

[HomerJS]

Rumor has it they already knew he was dead.

Really? He didn't die that quickly. As soon as he was cuffed they had a chance to perform CPR.

Reports indicate he dies on the way to the hospital. Tapes show cops shaking him after he was in distress. That time could have been used by EMS

 

[dmcowen674]

Saying they applied a sleeper hold instead of a chokehold would have no bearing making it a "stay out of jail" technicality. Neither one of them were authorized techniques by NYPD.

In either case, the officer failed to follow policy. However, failing to follow policy does not mean illegal.

- Merg

You have Police Brutality supporters like this posting here, meanwhile the World is now looking at the U.S. and saying What The Fuck?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...atchdog-urges-U-S-crack-police-brutality.html

U.N. Committee against Torture urges U.S. to investigate and prosecute police brutality and shootings of unarmed black youth

• The panel's first review of the U.S. record on preventing torture since 2006 came in the wake of racially-tinged Ferguson protests this week
• The review cited deep concern about 'numerous reports' of police brutality and excessive use of force against people from minority groups
• It referred to the 'frequent and recurrent police shootings or fatal pursuits of unarmed black individuals.'

The review cited deep concern about 'numerous reports' of police brutality and excessive use of force against people from minority groups, immigrants and homosexuals as well as racial profiling and militarisation of policing work.

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[Abwx]

You have Police Brutality supporters like this posting here, meanwhile the World is now looking at the U.S. and saying What The Fuck?

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Rest of the world think that it s business as usual in the US...

Anyway if i hear someone saying "i cant breath" this amount to calling for help, at this moment the policeman must realize this fact, but no, he keep choking the guy that expressely said that he s held from breathing, a really competent court would had pointed thoses discretanpcies as well as the sudden agressivity of a policeman that acted so because it s obvious that he felt threatened not by this poor guy behaviour but only by its physical appearance, hey, he s big, and he s a black, he s forcibly dangeourous..

Wonder when the afro americans plight will be eased, really...

 

[Jaskalas]

Wonder when the afro americans plight will be eased, really...

Police State Brutality is a plight shared by all Americans. Make it about race and harm the support you would otherwise receive.