Nope sorry, that belief has to be determined to be reasonable by others (like say a grand jury) so nothing is automatic. Cop just saying it doesn't mean squat.
Cop only has to say "I feared for my life" once and they are automatically believed.
The ultimate catch-22 , the cops can never be charged for choking a man to death....
If he screams "I can't breathe", well obviously he could breathe because he could scream so the cop isn't choking him.....
If he doesn't scream, well its his own fault because he didn't tell the cops they were choking him to death.....
Heads, its your fault, tails, its not the cops fault. Retarded cop logic 101! He fucking larious..... except for the people dying part.
What part of "the cop used an illegal procedure to subdue the suspect" don't you fucking get!
How about that it is not an illegal procedure? The procedure is not allowed by policy. That does not mean that it was not illegal.
How about that it is not an illegal procedure? The procedure is not allowed by policy. That does not mean that it was not illegal.
As for taking responsibility, why is there nothing on that fact that you have a grown man here that the police say is under arrest and he resists them? Shouldn't he be responsible enough to understand the police? He pulls his hands away from them, not once, but twice when they try to handcuff him.
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For the next idiot who mentions the alleged crime as being relevant to the cops' reaction, listen carefully:
You live in a country where the police are supposed to hand over those SUSPECTED of a crime, along with the evidence, to the justice system.
To spell it out more carefully, the police are not the judges of who is innocent and who is guilty, they don't get to decide what punishment to administer.
So whether they think they've just apprehended a modern-day Adolf Hitler or whether they suspect someone is guilty of jaywalking, or anywhere in between, dishing out punishment is not meant to be part of their job description.
That's aside from the fact that the chokehold used is illegal (at least according to reuters), I'm pretty sure it's illegal in the UK too. Ask yourself, should a police officer be doing something illegal?
Oh my bad! The cop didn't follow policy! Oops! Haha! Next time I'm sure he will keep that in mind! Sorry about your dead husband mrs Gardner...oops!
Fuck you!
What's the point of having the policy if there is no consequence for violating the policy and using a disallowed procedure?
What's the point of having the policy if there is no consequence for violating the policy and using a disallowed procedure? "The officer ran the potential criminal down with his police car. He proceeded to reverse over the body, and ran the suspect over an additional 17 times. He then got out of the patrol car, doused the body in gasoline and lit it on fire. Finally, he discharged 147 rounds from his sidearm into the charred remains of the suspect. This is disallowed by procedure. But we're not willing to claim he did anything wrong."
To say it again... The chokehold is not illegal. It was against department policy. There's a huge difference.
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And because the law was broken the full force of the officers actions was warranted! Cops should never way the crime that was committed with the type of force that should be used! Sell cigarettes illegally? A chokehold and death is A ok! Jay walk? That's a chokehold and death for you! Run a red light? You better duck because the cops have every right to stop you with their bullets! Play outside with a toy gun without the orange tip?! Well kid! You deserve to fucking die for that! Talk on a cellphone in a store while carrying around store merchandise? Well that's not illegal...but fuck! If you are black you are probably about to do something illegal! The cops have every right to prevent crimes too!
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It is a huge difference! You just made murder by a cop ok.
The use of choke holds by police isn't illegal in NY; although it is against NYPD policy. Also the video shows that the officer didn't initially use the choke hold. He went for a take down under the arm and across the chest. It was during the struggle that he lost his position with the one arm, and the other moved up and around the neck.
What's your definition of consequence? Is it perhaps only a criminal conviction?
What's the point of having the policy if there is no consequence for violating the policy and using a disallowed procedure? "The officer ran the potential criminal down with his police car. He proceeded to reverse over the body, and ran the suspect over an additional 17 times. He then got out of the patrol car, doused the body in gasoline and lit it on fire. Finally, he discharged 147 rounds from his sidearm into the charred remains of the suspect. This is disallowed by procedure. But we're not willing to claim he did anything wrong."
Show me the law where it says that a chokehold is illegal.
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The police can't just let go of him because he says that. Think of how often people get arrest-icitis and start saying things to keep from being arrested. The police need to finish getting the person arrested first and then they can assess the situation.
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Show me the law where it says that a chokehold is illegal.
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I do have to say that I am pretty happy about the fact this particular case doesn't seem to run down partisan lines. My conservative friends think this was excessive force.
Oh you mean when the guy was on the found with his head pinned down with a knee and the other officer was still choking him with all of his weight on the mans neck? You mean that slip?
No he went for the neck immediately and used excessive force to keep him down. Period.
You just said it was legal. What's wrong you don't like the fact that cops can disobey proper procedures and kill a man and not be tried as a criminal? Well no one else likes that either, hence the protests and screams of injustice.
And because the law was broken the full force of the officers actions was warranted! Cops should never way the crime that was committed with the type of force that should be used! Sell cigarettes illegally? A chokehold and death is A ok! Jay walk? That's a chokehold and death for you! Run a red light? You better duck because the cops have every right to stop you with their bullets! Play outside with a toy gun without the orange tip?! Well kid! You deserve to fucking die for that! Talk on a cellphone in a store while carrying around store merchandise? Well that's not illegal...but fuck! If you are black you are probably about to do something illegal! The cops have every right to prevent crimes too!
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The difference is that not following policy does not mean it is illegal. The example you list is an obvious statement of things that are being done that are illegal. Just using the chokehold itself is a policy violation. The officer had his gun and badge pulled and has been suspended since mid-July. I have not seen if that was paid or unpaid though. Maybe someone else actually knows.
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We get it, you think cops are allowed to murder people so long as they are doing it while arresting someone, no matter what the charge (or no charge in tamir rice's case) and no matter what the situation. Disobeying police procedures and killing someone as a result is ok in your book.
We get it! You are a cop and you will do whatever it takes to protect your own, right or wrong. Principals be damned! Your brothers come first! Fuck the citizens, they are there to serve you and protect you!
What video are you watching? I just watched it 4 times again. At no time is there a knee on his head.
Once again, how would you have arrested him once he started to resist? Since you seem to be the expert on what they should have done.
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