You, in a roundabout way, said you would prefer police die instead of defend themselves.
I answered your question with the specific legal rules that state they are allowed the same legal rights to defend themselves, and also have a very...as you say...narrow addition to that legal right.
There's still no real indication this is a racial issue. It may just be a police one, that they are VERY hard to have punished. It's not like only blacks suffer policy brutality.
You can bet your sweet ass that if a regular joe gets into a fight with somebody and chokes them to death there is at least a trial, let alone if he is part of a group of four people.
Our system is designed to be fucked...it's that way so that there is a greater chance an innocent person does not go to jail. We would rather release 10 criminals then take 1 innocent person to jail.
Don't have the amount of evidence needed to convict? You are a free person.
Or would you prefer we start jailing people without evidence?
There's still no real indication this is a racial issue. It may just be a police one, that they are VERY hard to have punished. It's not like only blacks suffer policy brutality.
You can bet your sweet ass that if a regular joe gets into a fight with somebody and chokes them to death there is at least a trial, let alone if he is part of a group of four people.
I had a casual friend, Larry Powell, who died in pretty much the same way. Super guy, very peaceful, big black dude, but admittedly sometimes belligerent when he drank. Cops choked him to death because he was still resisting a DUI arrest.So, him saying "I can't breathe" while actively resisting being subdued is reason to just go "welp, let him go guys!". No. It is unfortunate what happened, however, police have to subdue the suspect before rendering medical attention or adhering to pleas of anything. This death was accidental. The cop didn't intend to crush his windpipe or do anything other than subdue the suspect safely.
Do you believe that if suspect is resisting arrest and tells a cop "don't tase me, I have a heart condition", but continues to resist, is tased, and dies is an accident?
Cops, at least military cops, are specifically trained to wait until after they have subdued the suspects before rendering aid. This is especially true when you pepper spray a suspect. They will often cry they can't breathe, when in reality, they are simply panicking.
The take down compressing the neck was the primary cause of death, but additional factors included his obesity and heart problems. The EMTs who did not render aid were suspended without pay, but I don't know for how long and if anything else came of it.
So, him saying "I can't breathe" while actively resisting being subdued is reason to just go "welp, let him go guys!". No. It is unfortunate what happened, however, police have to subdue the suspect before rendering medical attention or adhering to pleas of anything. This death was accidental. The cop didn't intend to crush his windpipe or do anything other than subdue the suspect safely.
Do you believe that if suspect is resisting arrest and tells a cop "don't tase me, I have a heart condition", but continues to resist, is tased, and dies is an accident?
Cops, at least military cops, are specifically trained to wait until after they have subdued the suspects before rendering aid. This is especially true when you pepper spray a suspect. They will often cry they can't breathe, when in reality, they are simply panicking.
The take down compressing the neck was the primary cause of death, but additional factors included his obesity and heart problems. The EMTs who did not render aid were suspended without pay, but I don't know for how long and if anything else came of it.
There's still no real indication this is a racial issue. It may just be a police one, that they are VERY hard to have punished. It's not like only blacks suffer policy brutality.
You can bet your sweet ass that if a regular joe gets into a fight with somebody and chokes them to death there is at least a trial, let alone if he is part of a group of four people.
I had a casual friend, Larry Powell, who died in pretty much the same way. Super guy, very peaceful, big black dude, but admittedly sometimes belligerent when he drank. Cops choked him to death because he was still resisting a DUI arrest.
But how do you stop resisting when you're literally being choked to death?
BTW, Larry's blood test showed that he was in fact below the legal limit for driving. He really had just "a couple beers".
Not only Blacks but once it's a Black man involved then ALL the alarm bells and whistles come out and it's FULL FORCE ahead!
So, him saying "I can't breathe" while actively resisting being subdued is reason to just go "welp, let him go guys!". No. It is unfortunate what happened, however, police have to subdue the suspect before rendering medical attention or adhering to pleas of anything. This death was accidental. The cop didn't intend to crush his windpipe or do anything other than subdue the suspect safely.
Do you believe that if suspect is resisting arrest and tells a cop "don't tase me, I have a heart condition", but continues to resist, is tased, and dies is an accident?
Cops, at least military cops, are specifically trained to wait until after they have subdued the suspects before rendering aid. This is especially true when you pepper spray a suspect. They will often cry they can't breathe, when in reality, they are simply panicking.
The take down compressing the neck was the primary cause of death, but additional factors included his obesity and heart problems. The EMTs who did not render aid were suspended without pay, but I don't know for how long and if anything else came of it.
WTF? Lighten up, dude, that was funny, not trollish.Fuck you
This, exactly. This is the twenty-first century equivalent of the fucking match girl. If we don't take down this heinous criminal, he will . . . um . . . probably sell some more loose cigarettes. In a few decades, he'll cost the taxpayer a serious fraction of what it will cost to arrest, house and prosecute him - and that's assuming he doesn't die.I agree. I, too, found the Michael Brown decision to be correct but in Eric Garner's case, the police response was unwarranted. While he was a big guy, it shows what a sad, sad country we live in when UNTAXED CIGARETTES requires half a dozen police officers to accost and arrest someone.
If Uncle Sam doesn't get his cut of cigarette and liquor sales, cops are sent to fuck them up.
Yep. And in Larry's case he had already been handcuffed before he started resisting. How much can one big handcuffed dude resist four armed cops anyway?Clearly he needed to die, right?
Too many laws, too many cops with nothing to do.
My 2 cents.
If you are going to be upset about anything related to cops and you want to go out and protest than Eric Garner and his death at the hands of a NYPD plain-clothed officer is a poster child for this situation, NOT Michael Brown who went after a cops gun, who attacked the cop and ended up getting himself shot and killed because of his own actions.
Clearly he needed to die, right?
Too many laws, too many cops with nothing to do.
If we didn't have this video, I guarantee you'd be hearing this exact same story from the police. "At that point, the suspect punched the officers, reached for their guns, and said that he was going to kill every policeman and white person he saw. The officers were quickly overpowered by this maddened beast, and fearing for their lives and the lives of their children, the officers just barely managed to squeeze him into submission." followed by "This is just THUG BEHAVIOR!!! White people are the real victims here!"
Except there were witnesses that accounted for and agreed with Wilson's version of events, there is physical evidence that demonstrated that Michael Brown actually assaulted Wilson, etc. Not so with this case in regards to Eric Garner.
Did he die from the choking itself or something like a heart attack because of the incident? Haven't followed this one.
What was his excuse?
I'll tell you though, right now, I have a hard time expecting new academy classes of young hopeful officers-to-be when they see that if they get put into a live-or-die situation, the media will blast them as guilty and they will face a possible indictment every.single.time. Then your career is over as a cop and as an adult period. Darren Wilson will never work a normal day ever again. Who the hell wants to be the next Darren Wilson?!
Agreed.My 2 cents.
If you are going to be upset about anything related to cops and you want to go out and protest than Eric Garner and his death at the hands of a NYPD plain-clothed officer is a poster child for this situation, NOT Michael Brown who went after a cops gun, who attacked the cop and ended up getting himself shot and killed because of his own actions.
Negligent homicide or manslaughter. A cop surely knows that a choke hold can easily be fatal if too tight or held too long, which in my mind shifts it from negligent homicide to manslaughter. I'll grant he had no intention of killing the man, but he intentionally did something which he had to know stood a reasonable chance of causing his death.Well, as opposed to the Ferguson case, this to me looks like a case where they should have been charged, at least with negligent homicide or something. Admittedly I have not seen much of the evidence, but it seems excessive. That being said, it is never a good idea to resist arrest. Nothing good will come of it. Just cooperate, and then lawyer up afterwards.....