Man dum MS has to do this. Well i think this will destory themselfs with Windows Product Activation on Windows XP.

[WyteWatt]

Who is going to windows XP?
And who is not going to Windows XP?


type 1 if you are going to windows xp
type 2 if you are not going to windows xp

 

[WyteWatt]

2

 

[Rogue]

imtim83,

These forums have a poll feature built into them. This very poll has been done many times. Do a search and you will see.

Welcome to the forums by the way.

 

[WyteWatt]

Rogue oh ok sorry
but Rogue too bad we cant boycott windows xp huh?
would you like if windows xp really could be boycotted? i know i would

 

[lucidguy]

<< Stealing is stealing, no matter how rich the person is. >>



This is an ignorant comment. One cannot &quot;steal&quot; Windows. Windows is not an object. One may potentially commit copyright infringement on a Windows product, which is something else entirely.

Stealing is when you remove an object that belongs to someone else so that the other person does not have use of his object anymore. Copyright infringement is when you refuse to recognize a government-granted monopoly given to a person or to a company to secure, for limited times, the sole and exclusive right to copy and distribute his intellectual works.

The two are completely different, etymologically and legally.

Finally, piracy is the act of taking over ships, plundering and pillaging its contents, and brutally torturing, killing or raping the people onboard. It is not appropriate to use this term as a euphemism for copyright infringement. Anyone who associates the refusal to recognize a government-granted monopoly with violent acts of murder has his ethical values screwed up.

I do not condone copyright infringement, but neither do I condone labeling acts with terms that in no way reflect the meaning of the act taking place.

 

[Rogue]

Taken from Dictionary.com

pi·ra·cy (pr-s)
n. pl. pi·ra·cies

1. Robbery committed at sea.
2. A similar act of robbery, as the hijacking of an airplane.
3. The unauthorized use or reproduction of copyrighted or patented material: software piracy.
4. The operation of an unlicensed, illegal radio or television station.

Again lucidguy, your ignorance precedes you. This is just one example of someone who takes no time to research the things they so vehemently oppose.

See also: stealing, infringement, copyright

 

[WyteWatt]

Rogue?

 

[Rogue]

imtim83,

We can boycott WinXP, however, it's not going to stop Microsoft, pure and simple. I am waiting to test the Release Candidates that I paid to test to make my own decision on the matter. It's really a matter of personal preference. I can't outright say I will join the &quot;bandwagon&quot; and boycott it without having used it extensively. That wouldn't be fair.

 

[WyteWatt]

oh
but what if you got to pay yearly soon ?
like renting it

 

[Rogue]

Really comes down to what's offered to the consumer by the subscription process. Naturally, it won't work for everyone, period. However, if the subscription process offers enough of a benefit to some consumers and they choose to purchase it, they will and Microsoft will take from it what they gain. Truth be told, we won't know until it happens. When it does and depending on what's offered, the consumer will speak with their wallet.

 

[WyteWatt]

Rogue true but MS is getting greedy sorta i think.

 

[ToBeMe]

Lucidguy.................I'd love to stay on here and comment all day to your mindless drivel you spew........most of it at the very least gives some of us here a good chuckle!

You don't sleep at night either do you????? Of course not! How could you????? It's got to take endless hours to come up with some of the &quot;left field&quot; deductions you post!

Funny thing is.......you always avoid any questions raised about your rants or posed directly to you! Just like the other thread that you started.......where's the link???? OH.....that's just your deduction about XP huh? Do you have any hard data from MS to back any of it up?????................Didn't think so!

Well, as I stated, I'd love to stay here and tear apart the 90% or so of your posts which are baseless and contain little or no technical facts.........but, what's the point????? It's already been well proven that as soon as your drivel is discounted.......your nowhere to be found or just avoid the question entirely!

Hey, keep it up though........you definately add comedy relief to those whom know better! LOL!

 

[Psychoholic]

<< << Psychoholic wrote:
Solutions to stop piracy aren't foolproof but they have to stop somewhere. >>




That's our point exactly!!!
Did you read the ZDNET article i posted in the other thread? Legal user, legal software, no hardware changes-yet it locked him out. So when will it stop? >>


Nice catch BreakApart. It should have said start.

 

[Rogue]

That's something that the mass consumer market will decide by choosing to spend their money with Microsoft. If Microsoft does something to scare off the consumer, then they will have to innovate or die. The Linux market is slowly progressing toward an OS that is as friendly and easy to use as any Microsoft OS, but until then and until the average user has an alternative, Microsoft can pretty much do what they want. It's not really Microsoft's fault no one has been as innovative and user friendly as any other company out there. Granted, they have done things to curb competition, but the central theme of American business is to beat the big guy at their own game and very few places are trying to do just that. That's not to say it can't be done.

 

[WyteWatt]

can we ourself beat the big guy ? (Microsoft) ?

 

[WyteWatt]

like have a OS to wipe out MS OS's.

 

[Psychoholic]

BreakApart


<< You want the truth?
The truth is MS is using this &quot;activation&quot; user info as a stepping stone to its next OS. The next OS will collect all your info, credit card#s, habits, and purchases. Then it will HELP you with advertising, and selling your info to third parties. >>


And you have what to back this wild allegation up???



<< So, get real MS is looking towards the future when they can make HUGE money selling your info to vendors. Example: this person has a geforce-3, we should allow our Geforce#5 vendor to buy advertising time to sent to his computer. >>


You're way out there, need a map to find your way back home???

Skace


<< Anyways, how many times have you seen someone break into your house to steal a CD key to an operating system and then leave. >>


I've never seen anyone break into a house, but employees try to quite often.

intim83


<< Rogue oh ok sorry
but Rogue too bad we cant boycott windows xp huh?
would you like if windows xp really could be boycotted? i know i would >>


You can boycott, who's going to stop you???



<< oh
but what if you got to pay yearly soon ?
like renting it >>


No one is forcing you to rent anything. Where do you get this absurd notion.

lucidguy


<< This is an ignorant comment. One cannot &quot;steal&quot; Windows. Windows is not an object. One may potentially commit copyright infringement on a Windows product, which is something else entirely.

Stealing is when you remove an object that belongs to someone else so that the other person does not have use of his object anymore. Copyright infringement is when you refuse to recognize a government-granted monopoly given to a person or to a company to secure, for limited times, the sole and exclusive right to copy and distribute his intellectual works.

The two are completely different, etymologically and legally.

Finally, piracy is the act of taking over ships, plundering and pillaging its contents, and brutally torturing, killing or raping the people onboard. It is not appropriate to use this term as a euphemism for copyright infringement. Anyone who associates the refusal to recognize a government-granted monopoly with violent acts of murder has his ethical values screwed up.

I do not condone copyright infringement, but neither do I condone labeling acts with terms that in no way reflect the meaning of the act taking place. >>


And trolling is the act of trying to illicit responses by crapping in threads. You're guilty of both BTW. FWIW when you show me your Juris Doctorate I'll be happy to listen to your legal-ese.

 

[ToBeMe]

<< can we ourself beat the big guy ? >>



Yeah.....it's possible! Until the next &quot;Big Guy&quot; anyway!

I don't care for everything MS does either......but, as forementioned, the only thing that will change this, is poor inception of their products! If XP wasn't an already decent OS in beta form, I'd say there may be a chance with the other &quot;pitfalls&quot; surrounding XP......but, the simple fact is, 2K was not adapted completely by many large corporations, and many have already committed to XP as per the WSJ article of about a month ago. A LOT of corporate heads were leary about the lack of device driver licsenses/support at 2K's inception and therefore held off, then, soon after XP was already being announced and many decided to hold off until XP was a reality.......Mastercard Int. being one of the major ones.

As per my initial statement, &quot;Until the next Big Guy&quot;............to be sure, as soon as Linux, or anything else would become a viable alternative to MS, they would suddenly become money consious and egotistical! No matter what anyone thinks, if Linux, any iteration would really make a dent into MS's territory, someone would HAVE to figure out a way to begin cashing in.......and well.......here we go again!

 

[skace]

Psych,
&quot;I've never seen anyone break into a house, but employees try to quite often.&quot;
Well that is a whole different story, the example scheme I used and the activation are both for home use. Enterprises will still be on the old way so it won't matter. Even under the XP Activation, they can still get your CD key from you and use it - it will just count towards your alotted uses with different hardware. Meaning the point is basically moot.

 

[WyteWatt]

ok but windows xp is win2k just more pretty GUI , and extra features.
Its not like we cant use windows xp software, games , drivers , hardware , etc in win2k. Cause we use windows me software, games , drivers , hardware , etc in win98 or win95. Or we use windows 98 software, games , drivers , hardware , etc in windows 95.

 

[Psychoholic]

<< Enterprises will still be on the old way so it won't matter. >>


Provided they have a certain number of licenses. Smaller ones may not be done the &quot;older&quot; way.



<< Even under the XP Activation, they can still get your CD key from you and use it - it will just count towards your alotted uses with different hardware. Meaning the point is basically moot. >>


We don't know this for certain. Microsoft could delinate between the two versions with different types of CD keys. Who knows???

 

[bigd480]

so if there were no software &quot;piracy&quot; then M$ wouldn't be chraging subscription fees? BULLSHIP! they just see it as another way to extort money from the public... Unfortunately, the way their business works isn't necessarily a monopoly because there are alternatives, albeit unattractive ones... However, no one has to go to XP if they don't want to... I don't even like Win2k...

Legal/moral issues aside, there will NEVER EVER EVER EVER be a foolproof way to stop the haX0rs because the same type of humans designing the prevention methods are hacking them... And decryption is always easier because you can reverse engineer... An OS is nothing but a bunch of 1s and 0s, there will always be a way around anything they put up, so they should wisen up and stop spending so much $$$ on trying to prevent it...

If they just sold their software for $20/disk, everyone would buy their own legal copy and they would probably make more $$$... If their clients were only home users, they would probably be doing that... But since corporate america is forced to do things the legal way, M$ extorts them to the tune of hundreds/license and brings a price down a little for the home consumers otherwise the businesses would be pissed paying so much more...


<<

<< yeah, I already linked to that anger causing article. I don't worry though, the haX0r community won't let us down. >>


It's people like you and the &quot;haX0r&quot; community that caused this to happen. >>

 

[Psychoholic]

<< so if there were no software &quot;piracy&quot; then M$ wouldn't be chraging subscription fees? BULLSHIP! they just see it as another way to extort money from the public... >>


Here we go again with the Microsoft is evil ideas.:disgust:



<< If they just sold their software for $20/disk, everyone would buy their own legal copy and they would probably make more $$$... >>


As long as there's a way to get something for free there will be those who don't pay.

 

[vswr]

<< oh
but what if you got to pay yearly soon ?
like renting it >>



Actually, if you read the EULA from Win 3.11 on you will find that you have been effectivelyrenting windows. The Liscence is just indefinate into the future (kinda like a lifespan of sufficeint length is the same as immortal). MS is just bringing that fine print into a larger typeset. Now an aside as opinion.

I really hate it when MS talks about &quot;Inovating&quot;. They have not, are not (but maybe so in the future) inovating ANYTHING. Bill Gates bought (with all rights) a mostly fleshed out operating system, quick &amp; dirty dos from quick &amp; dirty software) &amp; Paul Allen did the rest. Since that time, they have done EXACTLY the same thing. Just on larger &amp; larger scales with more &amp; more money. From XP to .NET to the X-Box it is really just a last ditch effort of an organization that has gotten so large that there is nothing left to buy (with the scale to make a difference). I predict that this fall, with the lukewarm reception of XP, the sound thrashing that they will get from Nintendo (Now that is an EVILRUTHLESSCOMAPNY(tm)), to the wholesale rejection of .Net, MS will begin a long &amp; slow slide into BIG comapny complacency (thew will become the software version of IBM).

Also. MS is not evil. But their actions to preserve &amp; extend the status quo in their favor make the Moral distinctions nonexistent.

 

[praematurus]

The sad facts are these:

MS wants to move to a subscription based distribution - their &quot;software-as-a-service&quot; business model.

Manufacturers of systems, like Dell, Gateway, etc. will continue to do business with MS.

The average computer buyer will want the latest and greatest and that's what the Dell's and Gateways of the world will provide.

People who build their own computer and make lots of changes to it are in the minority.


Therefore:

The average computer buyer will demand XP and never see any problems with activation (aside from, maybe, privacy concerns).

The typical computer system manufacturer will build the systems the average buyer wants (i.e., with XP installed).

Software-as-a-service is likely going to happen because the market will allow it.



My plan? Hold onto Win2k for as long as it's still compatible with the programs I run and learn Linux. ...and hope for the best.