Man gets 40 years in jail after rejecting plea deal that would have freed him immediately

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A Montgomery County man accused of assaulting a public servant and threatening to kill police officers could have walked free Monday. However, after refusing a plea bargain, he was convicted and hit with a 40-year sentence.

Jurors in the 9th District Court of Judge Phil Grant convicted Raymond Lindsey Jr., 46, last week of Assault on a Public Servant and Retaliation. His attorney said he already had been in jail 19 months and would have been released with "time served."

Although he was appreciative of the deal, he did not want to plead guilty and believed everybody had conspired against him, appointed defense attorney Willis Everett Smith said.

Assistant District Attorney Philip Teissier presented evidence during the trial that on Jan. 5, 2015, Houston Police Department officers were dispatched to an apartment in Southeast Montgomery County for a possible domestic disturbance.

Officers encountered an aggressive Lindsey and his scared girlfriend, Teissier said. While the officers waited for Lindsey's girlfriend to gather items and leave the apartment, Lindsey pointed at each of the officers one by one and individually threatened to kill them, according to the DA's Office.

Lindsey then proceeded to destroy numerous objects inside the apartment, including a glass coffee table, a flat-screen TV, the entertainment center and a bird cage with a live bird inside.

After escorting Lindsey's girlfriend out of the apartment, additional officers arrived to assist. They again approached the apartment, and Lindsey threatened to kill another officer. When officers attempted to arrest Lindsey, he assaulted one of the officers by slamming the apartment door on the officer's arm multiple times.

Smith has concerns about his client's mental health and said his actions were not directed toward the officers.

"I think he was more unstable than anything else," Smith said. "Although, I think if you were to ask him, he would think he was fine. I think he needs another set of eyes and ears to look at what I've looked at."

Smith filed for a psychological evaluation in March, which said "may be incompetent to stand trial based on the numerous conversations with Lindsey, his history of mental illness, the strange occurrence and irrational conduct that caused his arrest, and letters that were sent to counsel filled with biblical references, conspiracies, delusional beliefs, and illogical conjecture."

However, Smith said Lindsey was deemed competent by the evaluation and judge.

During the sentencing hearing, Teissier presented evidence of Lindsey's prior criminal history, including two penitentiary sentences from Illinois for the offenses of Burglary and Unlawful

Possession of a Vehicle, a prison sentence from Iowa for Domestic Assault, and an uncharged family violence assault against Lindsey's girlfriend.

Because Lindsey had at least two prior sentences, his punishment range in each case was 25 years to life.

"This defendant had compiled a lengthy criminal history out of state prior to moving to Texas," Teissier said. "Consequently, Lindsey is obviously not the type of person we want living in Texas or Montgomery County. Unfortunately for him, he had to learn that the hard way."

Smith said a plea bargain would have reduced the sentence at assault and allowed Lindsey to be released.

"He is very religious and said no man should judge another man," said Smith, who said Lindsey said he understood the charges and punishment he faced. "That's another reason I filed a psychological evaluation is because of his thought process. ... He'd use religion to justify actions. The problem was the decisions weren't going to help him in reality."

"I said the minimum is 25 to life. You're going to have all of these witnesses come and testify against you and you are not going to have anyone testify for yourself. "He said, 'It is what it is.'"

Smith said this is the first time in his 30 years of experience that he has had a client turn down a plea bargain for the degree of charges Lindsey faced.

"(After the verdict) He said it's all good, you did your best," Smith said. "I said, 'Wow."

Smith said he is compiling a notice for appeal, which will go to a new lawyer for Lindsey.

Guy seems like a dimwitted punk who's not all there and probably deserved some time in prison. But 40 years?? Damn. May as well be life in prison. People commit murder and get less.
 

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a plea deal of a felony is just as bad as prison time.

both ruin your life.
Uhh, I think I'd rather be a free man with a felony conviction on my record than be in prison for the next 40 years. If you think one is just as bad as the other... wow.

One good thing - repeatedly violent person - I'd much rather we release 5 non-violent people from prison to make room for him for life.
 
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this is how the justice department ruins lives. They will accuse you of something and if you dont take the deal and make them actually go to court they will punish you. Its not about right and wrong its about efficiency and getting people to admit guilt.
 

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3 strikes:
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Texas

More like already had 2 felony convictions so sentence was mandatory
already had history of mental illness
was full of conspiracy theory delusions

But feel free to try and rabble rouse by completely making up stuff - racist Texas cops.
Where's a good eyeroll emoticon when you need it?
 

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Does prison rehabilitate the mentally ill?

No, but has been a fact of life where violently prone unstable people end up.

You're probably not going to rehabilitate Charles Manson, the whole prison system is based on things like this I suppose, to a degree.
 

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Uhh, I think I'd rather be a free man with a felony conviction on my record than be in prison for the next 40 years. If you think one is just as bad as the other... wow.

One good thing - repeatedly violent person - I'd much rather we release 5 non-violent people from prison to make room for him for life.

Just a heads up this is a process which results in ethnic socio-economic division. People generally commit crimes available to them, which means rather literal in both sense of the words white collar criminals don't see the inside of a cell, however rarely that's prosecuted for the same reason. It's worth pondering the systematic racist results produced through not necessarily racist policy.
 
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More like already had 2 felony convictions so sentence was mandatory
already had history of mental illness
was full of conspiracy theory delusions

But feel free to try and rabble rouse by completely making up stuff - racist Texas cops.
Where's a good eyeroll emoticon when you need it?

Actually I wasn't bashing the cops, my point was more about being black in Montgomery Country Texas facing a jury trial and then long prison sentences in Texas for crimes what would draw less time in most other states. I'm not arguing the guy didn't do it, but the sentence is excessive and unfortunately he won't get the help he needs.
 

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This way, he gets to stay in prison. 3 meals/day, bed, church, medical care. Someone so obviously unstable would probably end up homeless and hungry otherwise, and Texas summers are miserable. He's probably acting in his own best interest.
 

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Just a heads up this is a process which results in ethnic socio-economic division. People generally commit crimes available to them, which means rather literal in both sense of the words white collar criminals don't see the inside of a cell, however rarely that's prosecuted for the same reason. It's worth pondering the systematic racist results produced through not necessarily racist policy.
White collar crime: seize their assets and leave them penniless (or whatever amount seems reasonable for whatever white collar crime they committed, but at least 50% of their net worth, if it's something willful that victimizes other people. And, follow the money. If they gifted their relatives, wife, or someone a new house with the money, it should also be seized.
 
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Just a heads up this is a process which results in ethnic socio-economic division. People generally commit crimes available to them, which means rather literal in both sense of the words white collar criminals don't see the inside of a cell, however rarely that's prosecuted for the same reason. It's worth pondering the systematic racist results produced through not necessarily racist policy.

I rather like that. It explains the housing bubble perfectly.
 

MrSquished

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he looks Black, surprised he isn't dead Goes to show that good cops are out there and not all are trigger happy.
 

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Actually I wasn't bashing the cops, my point was more about being black in Montgomery Country Texas facing a jury trial and then long prison sentences in Texas for crimes what would draw less time in most other states. I'm not arguing the guy didn't do it, but the sentence is excessive and unfortunately he won't get the help he needs.

So you just threw in cops as a strike against the man because you love them? And, since 28 states have 3rd strike type laws, it sounds like most states would be right along with Texas, sentence-wise. The sentence certainly may be excessive for the crime committed, but it is not a Montgomery County, TX thing or even a Texas thing. It is a 28-state thing.
 

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So you just threw in cops as a strike against the man because you love them? And, since 28 states have 3rd strike type laws, it sounds like most states would be right along with Texas, sentence-wise. The sentence certainly may be excessive for the crime committed, but it is not a Montgomery County, TX thing or even a Texas thing. It is a 28-state thing.

No I threw in cops because a crime against cops is going to be more likely to be punished more harshly in a law and order state like Texas.
 

WelshBloke

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It's certainly a weird example of how the justice system works.

40 years or freedom, the only difference in sentence is what you say after.
 
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brycejones

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Oh bull shit. He had his opportunity and could have walked away. He chose not to. Mental illness is sometimes painful.

FTFY. Yeah forget that guy spending $2M over the next 40 years vs getting this man effective help is a great plan.
 
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a plea deal of a felony is just as bad as prison time.

both ruin your life.
There are success stories of convicted felons turning their lives around. However, for every one of them there scores of others that fail due to the obstacles the system puts in their way once they are out. I've seen friends and even family completely straighten out their personal lives, even obtain professional STEM degrees following incarceration, only to be ignored and discarded by the rest of society when they do the supposed right things to make themselves a success. Not being able to get hired ANYWHERE due to a felony plea, and thus not be able to provide for yourself or your family, can leave you more broken as a human being than actually remaining in jail. Its a tragedy I've seen play out one too many times.

What you say is correct, master shake. There are serious problems with reintegrating felons into society. This is why you are starting to see "Ban the Box" movements pop up in various cities and states across America. While most people agree that if "you do the crime...you do the time" is a valid way to run a criminal justice system, why do we continue to punish those that have "done their time"?
 

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While the guy is definitely stupid or seriously mentally ill, it does highlight just how retarded our justice system is. In no sane system would there ever be the choice of saying I'm guilty and walking free or saying I'm not guilty and getting 40 freaking years. If you deserve 40 years how in the hell can they justify giving him the option of going free or the opposite if they give him the option of going free how in the hell can they justify a 40 year sentence as being necessary or just?
 
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