Originally posted by: Genx87
Get over it already.
The only score that matters is the election night final.
Bush wins!
We're over it. Doesn't mean we have to turn into sheep like you.
Originally posted by: Genx87
Get over it already.
The only score that matters is the election night final.
Bush wins!
It has everything to do with what I posted, particularly this part:Originally posted by: SViscusi
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Would you like me to follow that up by proving the earth is round as well?Originally posted by: SViscusi
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
So the left still hasn't learned a thing from the past four years of attempting precisely that?The Democrats need to offer an alternative agenda over the next four years. It won't be enacted, so they can shoot for the moon. The hell with good policy, make proposals that sound great. The GOP used flag burning and gay marriage to rally their side. We can find equivalents. Don't worry about them becoming law, because they won't. Worry about branding the party and placing every bit of bad news (and there will be plenty) squarely at the feet of the party that controls all levers of government.
And they deign to call others ignorant? :guffaw:
Care to provide examples?
I mean, how about looking at the first page of this forum (or any subsequent page)? How often does the left question their own policies? How often do they b1tch and whine about some aspect of the right or the administration?
But that has nothing to do with the part you quoted. The quoted part referred to Democrats finding more and better wedge issues like Republicans have.
Originally posted by: irwincur
Are you people ever going to give up...
Who cares if the president is popular. I am sure that Bush could care less about the push polls and BS that the news agencies throw out every day. It is not a Clintonesque popularity/legacy building contest, it is a serious job.
By the way... Bush won the election. Don't you think it is time to "Move On" again.
Originally posted by: slyedog
the left say we are sheep because we follow GWB. the left follow M. moore, sheen and kennendy.
who are the better sheep?
www.bushislord.comOriginally posted by: Engineer
Bush sucks....for 4 more years and beyond.
Ok, that's out of the way....let's just hope that he doesn't fvck up the country any more than he already has......like that's really NOT going to happen though, as I'm sure he'll find new ways to fvck up our country and a few others too.
Originally posted by: polm
by Kos: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/12/21/12013/566
Man, it's bad enough that Bush won the election. But it makes me angrier that he won the election when people don't even like the guy.
Not even two months after the election, Bush is poised to be the most unpopular president at his inaugaration.
Meanwhile, a majority of Americans now believe the Iraq War was a mistake (which should only worsen as news of the 22 dead in the Mosul attack makes the rounds).Since his 3-percentage-point win over Sen. John Kerry, Bush has experienced a complete lack of bounce in the polls. In fact, in at least one national survey, Fox News' Opinion Dynamics poll, conducted Dec. 14-15, Bush's approval rating has fallen five points in the last month, to 48 percent. In other polls, including Washington Post-ABC, NBC/Wall Street Journal, Pew Research Center, Associated Press-Ipsos, Zogby, and Gallup, Bush's already soft approval numbers have flat-lined since the election. That phenomenon stands in sharp contrast to U.S. history, when presidents voted into office for a second term, even after close elections, routinely have received robust approval ratings.
According to an analysis posted on the Gallup Web site in mid-November, Bush's current 53 percent approval rating "is actually the lowest of any of the last seven presidents who won a second term in the first poll conducted after their re-election." Right after securing their second terms, Bill Clinton received a 58 percent approval rating, Ronald Reagan 61 percent, Richard Nixon 62 percent, Lyndon Johnson 70 percent, Dwight Eisenhower 75 percent, and Harry Truman 69 percent.
What to make of these numbers? First of all, Karl Rove got scrwed by Time Magazine. He deserved that Man of the Year award after selling this lemon to the American people.While a slight majority believe the Iraq war contributed to the long-term security of the United States, 70 percent of Americans think these gains have come at an "unacceptable" cost in military casualties. This led 56 percent to conclude that, given the cost, the conflict there was "not worth fighting" -- an eight-point increase from when the same question was asked this summer, and the first time a decisive majority of people have reached this conclusion.
But what makes me angry was Kerry and his gang's inability to take advantage of the situation. I may regret saying this later, but fvck it -- they should be lined up and shot. There's no reason they should've lost to this joker. "I voted for the $87 billion, then I voted against it." That wasn't nuance. That was idiocy. And with a primary campaign that consisted entirely of "I'm the most electable", Kerry entered the general without a core philosophy or articulated vision for the job.
I could deal with losing to a popular incumbent. But it's tough to deal with the most unpopular incumbent to win reelection.
Of course, there's a silver lining to all of this. A Kerry presidency would've been an unmitigated disaster, with a hostile congress, budget woes, the mess in Iraq, etc. Not a good time to be in charge. Those Supreme Court seats would've been nice (whoever we would've been able to push through a hostile Senate), but we've got an opportunity for long-term gain.
The left is already working to build it's own version of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy -- the $300 million annual machine that developes the conservative message (think tanks), disseminates it to the public (Fox News, Rush), and trains their leaders in how to wield it.
The war isn't going well, and Bush will be hard pressed to rescue anything positive from that quagmire. The budget is a mess, and budget cuts will cause great resentment while savings get eaten up by his Iraq misadventures. The GOP's right wing is screaming for payback with an agenda that doesn't sell on Main Street. GOP moderates may be emboldened by Giuliani's and Schwarzenegger's popularity to reassert themselves.
The economy is going nowhere, housing starts are down, and interest rates are rising. This Christmas season has been the worst for retailers in years. That is, unless you are a high-end retailer. Thing are going great for those who can afford $360 Christian Dior glasses for their teenage daughters. Most people have to scavange the clearance rack at WalMart.
The Democrats need to offer an alternative agenda over the next four years. It won't be enacted, so they can shoot for the moon. The hell with good policy, make proposals that sound great. The GOP used flag burning and gay marriage to rally their side. We can find equivalents. Don't worry about them becoming law, because they won't. Worry about branding the party and placing every bit of bad news (and there will be plenty) squarely at the feet of the party that controls all levers of government.
We need to make the GOP radioactive. Their incompetence is providing the ammunition. It is our job to wield it. Remember, they control everything. We don't need to be bipartisan. We don't need to work with them for them to pass their agenda. So we offer up clear alternatives to everything they propose. We have to be aggressive.
We have nothing to lose. Being in the minority is being in the minority. Yet we have much to gain.
Originally posted by: Centinel
In all honesty I hope the moderates can take control of the party back from the Mooreites. There needs to a credible counter-balance to the right.
However, calling the midwest and south "jesusland", looking down at these same people and calling them stupid, etc is not the way to do it. You will simply alienate even more of your prosepective voters.
Luckily there are many moderates out there that understand this like Barack Obama....it is my hope that he becomes the face of the democratic party and not Michael Moore.
Originally posted by: Condor
Moore is the face of the Democratic party? I thought he was the other end!
Originally posted by: cougarls88
Originally posted by: slyedog
the left say we are sheep because we follow GWB. the left follow M. moore, sheen and kennendy.
who are the better sheep?
So if Georgie boy tells you to jump off a bridge to proclaim your patriotism are you going to do it?
Originally posted by: Centinel
In all honesty I hope the moderates can take control of the party back from the Mooreites.
Originally posted by: Centinel
In all honesty I hope the moderates can take control of the party back from the Mooreites.
Originally posted by: Centinel
Well that depends Supertool.
Social Security administered by the national government is liberalism run amok.
Social Security administered by the states is not....but that's just my point of view since i'm an Anti-Federalist/Libertarian
Originally posted by: slyedog
the left say we are sheep because we follow GWB. the left follow M. moore, sheen and kennendy.
who are the better sheep?
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Originally posted by: Centinel
Well that depends Supertool.
Social Security administered by the national government is liberalism run amok.
Social Security administered by the states is not....but that's just my point of view since i'm an Anti-Federalist/Libertarian
Why would a Libertarian be an anti Federalist? Anti big government is not the same thing at all
I highly recommend reading The Federalist Papers for a good, solid understanding of what Federalism truly means.
Also, perhaps the *BEST* Libertarian BLOG on the 'net is to be found here. Mr. Sandefur is a good friend of mine, has been for about 16 years, and he's a Constitutional attorney who fights for Libertarian causes for a living.