Do you believe that the 1st Amendment protects Alex Jones and such people from openly and knowingly spreading lies about private citizens that have been documented to cause those citizens harm to their livelihoods and to their business?
Do you think such a person who is "assumed to understand that responsibility and act honestly on such responsibility" should not face punishment for criminal actions directly resulting from their libel?
I believe in both civil and criminal libel, but I think both require either a known false spread of information or a grossly negligent one.
And that leaves things a little fuzzy. Unfortunately, we as humans don't like fuzzy. Too bad. Fuzzy is the truth.
That's only for public figures, which the owner of a pizza store/the pizza store itself is not. Don't need to prove they knew it was false.
Do you have the statue? Hard to comment on something otherwise.
http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/district-columbia-defamation-law
Turns out in DC you do have to show they were negligent, but not grossly negligent, meaning you just have to show that they didn't enact a reasonable amount of care in ensuring they weren't printing something false. It's hard to see how publishing made up shit from the internet about a mythological child sex ring run out of a pizza place could be done while exercising a reasonable amount of care as to its falsity.
What.No, only universities in Pennsylvania or Subway restaurants.
What.
http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/district-columbia-defamation-law
Turns out in DC you do have to show they were negligent, but not grossly negligent, meaning you just have to show that they didn't enact a reasonable amount of care in ensuring they weren't printing something false. It's hard to see how publishing made up shit from the internet about a mythological child sex ring run out of a pizza place could be done while exercising a reasonable amount of care as to its falsity.
Guess they could have checked to see if they had a basement... that seems like it would have settled things.http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/district-columbia-defamation-law
Turns out in DC you do have to show they were negligent, but not grossly negligent, meaning you just have to show that they didn't enact a reasonable amount of care in ensuring they weren't printing something false. It's hard to see how publishing made up shit from the internet about a mythological child sex ring run out of a pizza place could be done while exercising a reasonable amount of care as to its falsity.
Hehe. I am always at a crossroads over my instinctively satisfying convictions in certainty of some things, like for example you are light years more psychologically evolved than say WelchBloke with respect to the punishment issue, and an equal conviction that certainty is perhaps humanity's greatest enemy. Of course, the advantage of being conservative, as we so well exemplified in this thread, is that they can be certain of anything without any mental effort at all. The disadvantage for liberals, as you say, is that the world can look rather fuzzy. "Which nuance would you say is more correct?" That's a liberal only dilemma.That's rough. Wish I could provide a clear and consistent line between negligent to the point of liability and misguided. Maybe someone can. I can't.
No, I don't.Do you believe that the 1st Amendment protects Alex Jones and such people from openly and knowingly spreading lies about private citizens that have been documented to cause those citizens harm to their livelihoods and to their business?
Yes, I do.Do you think such a person who is "assumed to understand that responsibility and act honestly on such responsibility" should not face punishment for criminal actions directly resulting from their libel?
When one realizes that there is a disconnect between how one would like the world to be and how the world is, fuzziness can feel soothing. It won't stop innocent pizza shop owners from being harassed by psychopaths egged on by liars but it can allow one to not have to think so much about it or possibly examine ones own role in spreading the lies or otherwise muddying the waters. Abstracting uncertainty is an excellent way to slide back from responsibly for the man terrorizing a roomful of people simply enjoying their pizza. It might have all just been a misunderstanding.
I do it in order to get closer to my feelings about it not to deny them. Intellectualizing and rationalizing are what allow you to slide back from responsibility, regardless of whether they lead you to conclude that the world is certain or instead that the world is fuzzy.
Personally, I find that intellectualizing reality can be the first step to realizing it, so I cautiously participate.
But I also know there are many people who have a quite limited understanding of the real world that I would choose to be my leader because they get what it means to be human even if they don't realize it. Being smart often makes life worse. It gives you more ways to convince yourself (and others) that you're better than you are.
The Comet Ping Pong Gunman Answers Our Reporter’s Questions
I'll give this guy some credit -- of all the people out there in the world who thought that a child sex ring was being run out of a secret basement under a pizzeria, he was the only guy with the courage to actually try to do something about it. he's got more character than Alex-fucking-Jones at least, who's peddling this shit without getting his fat ass off the couch.
the whole thing is obviously bullshit, but if you seriously believed that children were being pimped out and did nothing to stop it, what would that say about a person?
Mr. Welch appeared downcast and at times distracted as he answered questions… “I just wanted to do some good and went about it the wrong way,” he said… He left [Salisbury, North Carolina] … with the intention of giving the restaurant a “closer look” and then returning home. He wanted to “shine some light on it.” As he made his way to Washington, he felt his “heart breaking over the thought of innocent people suffering.” … “The intel on this wasn’t 100 percent,” he said. However, he refused to dismiss outright the claims in the online articles, conceding only that there were no children “inside that dwelling.” He also said that child slavery was a worldwide phenomenon.
Where did he learn about the fake news involving Comet? He said it was through word of mouth. After recently having internet service installed at his house, he was “really able to look into it.” He said that substantial evidence from a combination of sources had left him with the “impression something nefarious was happening.” He said one article on the subject led to another and then another.
He said he did not believe in conspiracy theories, but then added that the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks needed to be re-examined. He has listened to Alex Jones, whose radio show traffics in conspiracy theories and who once said that Mrs. Clinton “has personally murdered and chopped up” children. “He’s a bit eccentric,” Mr. Welch said. “He touches on some issues that are viable but goes off the deep end on some things.”
I find smart people typically don't think they are better than anyone.
The Comet Ping Pong Gunman Answers Our Reporter’s Questions
I'll give this guy some credit -- of all the people out there in the world who thought that a child sex ring was being run out of a secret basement under a pizzeria, he was the only guy with the courage to actually try to do something about it. he's got more character than Alex-fucking-Jones at least, who's peddling this shit without getting his fat ass off the couch.
the whole thing is obviously bullshit, but if you seriously believed that children were being pimped out and did nothing to stop it, what would that say about a person?
The inordinate amount of odd connections (you list a few of the many). Many more odd connections with human trafficking POCs, symbols at pizza places, adults being repeatedly excited at things that are just "odd". Would you want to take your kid to a place with those sort of pictures on the wall? Political dollars funneled into the place... The MSMs spin away from the story while it's eating up the net. It could be all just happenstance/wild coincidence... but at this point, it would seem more conspirator-like to believe that possibility as the truth. If anything, it seem so rife with oddity that it's almost like it wants to find itself out...
That is far from the meaning I intended to convey. It is only someone's estimation of themselves I was speaking to.
He's a Texas Sharpshooter."Symbols", are you talking about how spiral shapes are somehow now a pedo callsign? Not sure about the excited adults thing, was this pizza place connected with that email about young children being entertaining at a pool party? Cuz like, I think young kids are pretty entertaining too.
So was I.
Here's some snippets for folks who don't click the link.
Anyway, in the mean time we have P and N to prove ad infinitum the old truth that a fool convinced against his will is of the same opinion still. How did people come by such a will?
Yup. Summary of that section. Alex Jones is full of shit and I know it, but I still find reasons to believe as much of what he says as I can.So, just recently found the internet and listens to Alex Jones. Yep. What I expected.