Man Loses Pulse for 45 Minutes,Wakes Up With Incredible Vision of Afterlife

[agent00f]

No. Not at all.

Your experience is akin to what I've seen for confirmation bias. If the psychic were wrong you'd have forgotten about it.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Your experience is akin to what I've seen for confirmation bias. If the psychic were wrong you'd have forgotten about it.

Good point, if you walk by enough broken clocks you'll eventually run into a few that are dead-on.

No.



Yes.




No. Not at all.

How do you know?

 

[flexy]

All i'm saying is that no one knows the future and no one can see the past: because both are illusions of human perception.

This is a really good book that I am reading currently:

https://www.amazon.com/Quantum-Physics-Time-Cosmology-Travel-ebook/dp/B01774NGPW#navbar

Yes, I tend to agree that past, present and future are "illusions" or better...they are relative to an observer. But we can also speculate that past, present and future already exist...respective that a "past" equally exists (or not exists) and a "future" equally exists (or not exists) as does the "present". If this is so, there could be ways to access those, say using different stats of consciousness.

In the book that I listed, one author makes a good point saying how in dreams or other extraordinary states of consciousness it may be possible to "foresee" this future, thinks like premonitions or explainable events of synchronicity or "coincidences". Say, the classical example of thinking of a friend you haven't seen and thought about in years...and in the same instant you get a call from this friend.

She also makes a good point giving some classic examples, like when Abraham Lincoln dreamed about his assassination or the assistant of archduke Franz Ferdinand, who dreamed about the archduke's assassination in the night before. Those are CLASSIC examples, but the important thing here being that ordinary people might have such premonitions about mundane things much, much more often...but we of course never hear about them. Examples like someone has a "premonition" or a dream about something simple like their water heater breaking..and it indeed breaks two days later....or the friend..who calls the next day, or accidents, air plane crashes etc. I mean there are plenty of such stories. Are they ALL "just coincidence" or really sort-of a strong evidence that we can, under certain circumstances, "see" this future? Go ask in your family, among your relatives and friends, and I guarantee you that you will find some stories where those folks had something which would fit the premonitions criteria.

As always: To prove that white horses exists, you only need ONE white horse!

 

[agent00f]

Premonitions are a pretty good example of the confirmation bias mentioned above. We simply forget 99.99% of our thoughts that don't coincide with some near future event, and put the extremely rare happenstances on a pedestal.

 

[flexy]

Another thing I wanted to mention in regards to this topic:

There is the very interesting theory that many little children supposedly retain memories of an earlier life. There was a TV show not too long ago about this. The theory is that the children lose the memories, say when they're 5 or older.

I find it VERY intriguing to read or watch shows where a little child inexplainably mentions details from a "former life" that, by all measures of common sense, the child SIMPLY CAN NOT HAVE. And there are not just one or two of such cases, but many. Not only in India or where reincarnation is widely accepted, but also in the Western world. (Of course, this goes strongly against Christian belief where reincarnation has no place...because "we get judged" and then either sent to hell or heaven )

Are those stories ALL "made-up"? All a giant con? I have a hard time to buy this.

Again....the white horse principle here...

 

[Dr. Zaus]

This is a really good book that I am reading currently:

https://www.amazon.com/Quantum-Physics-Time-Cosmology-Travel-ebook/dp/B01774NGPW#navbar

Yes, I tend to agree that past, present and future are "illusions" or better...they are relative to an observer. But we can also speculate that past, present and future already exist...respective that a "past" equally exists (or not exists) and a "future" equally exists (or not exists) as does the "present". If this is so, there could be ways to access those, say using different stats of consciousness.

In the book that I listed, one author makes a good point saying how in dreams or other extraordinary states of consciousness it may be possible to "foresee" this future, thinks like premonitions or explainable events of synchronicity or "coincidences". Say, the classical example of thinking of a friend you haven't seen and thought about in years...and in the same instant you get a call from this friend.

She also makes a good point giving some classic examples, like when Abraham Lincoln dreamed about his assassination or the assistant of archduke Franz Ferdinand, who dreamed about the archduke's assassination in the night before. Those are CLASSIC examples, but the important thing here being that ordinary people might have such premonitions about mundane things much, much more often...but we of course never hear about them. Examples like someone has a "premonition" or a dream about something simple like their water heater breaking..and it indeed breaks two days later....or the friend..who calls the next day, or accidents, air plane crashes etc. I mean there are plenty of such stories. Are they ALL "just coincidence" or really sort-of a strong evidence that we can, under certain circumstances, "see" this future? Go ask in your family, among your relatives and friends, and I guarantee you that you will find some stories where those folks had something which would fit the premonitions criteria.

As always: To prove that white horses exists, you only need ONE white horse!

Of course. I have such premonitions all the time.

But that's not psychic power; the fact is that we think about many more things than we can ever talk about. In the retrospect we draw on, and sometimes even implant, the things we thought into our memory.

In philosophy we call it the "monstrous Now" because of its impossibility. Just like the smallest amount of movement is a nonsense statement, so is the smallest amount of time; here's an image of what time-space looks like at the quantum level:

Time and space don't move forward and back like they should, and our minds amplify quantum connections. Our consciousness creates the illusion that we are individual entities; when all the energy that is us is also bound up in infinite other configurations.

In the infinity of all that could be there must be those with whom we share a quantum entanglement such that we would call them 'ourselves' before ourselves. and similarly we are ourselves before-ourselves to some other self.

Indeed psychological experiments have uncovered psychic abilities, as published in top journals, and physicists have shown that particles can be entangled as they go 'backward' in time.

But what does that have to do with the price of rice in China?

 

[agent00f]

Think of it this way. The human brain doesn't appear particular unique in its application of physics, yet it's often proposed that it can violate fundamental scientific laws.

OTOH, the human brain is pretty easily deluded, particular with ego, ie belief in the supernatural or ability to bend nature to its will.

 

[who?]

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/howard-storm.html

 

[disappoint]

Nothing to see here except a new agency pandering to religion and ignoring the human heroes who busted their asses in that hospital to save this man.

Don't you know those so called "heroes" are worthless? According to the world's most popular religion, all that matters to get into heaven is belief in Jesus Christ. This means if you're a doctor or a nurse that has helped save many lives, but you don't believe in Jesus Christ, your afterlife will consist of eternal torment and damnation.

If however you're a child molesting, murdering, antisocial psychopath that has brought nothing but pain, suffering and torment to our fellow humans here on Earth, but in your last moments before the end of your life profess to believe that Jesus Christ is your lord and savior you will go to heaven and be rewarded with peace and joy for eternity.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Don't you know those so called "heroes" are worthless? According to the world's most popular religion, all that matters to get into heaven is belief in Jesus Christ. This means if you're a doctor or a nurse that has helped save many lives, but you don't believe in Jesus Christ, your afterlife will consist of eternal torment and damnation.

If however you're a child molesting, murdering, antisocial psychopath that has brought nothing but pain, suffering and torment to our fellow humans here on Earth, but in your last moments before the end of your life profess to believe that Jesus Christ is your lord and savior you will go to heaven and be rewarded with peace and joy for eternity.

So you think that having what of you is part of loving others exist eternally along side God is... a reason people should think that human suffering doesn't matter?

Even though the dude who told that story was really clear, and the rest of the new testament as well, that the point of salvation is so that you can do good works on earth... a death bed confession is better than someone living?

You have Christianity down completely wrong.

 

[MongGrel]

Don't you know those so called "heroes" are worthless? According to the world's most popular religion, all that matters to get into heaven is belief in Jesus Christ. This means if you're a doctor or a nurse that has helped save many lives, but you don't believe in Jesus Christ, your afterlife will consist of eternal torment and damnation.

If however you're a child molesting, murdering, antisocial psychopath that has brought nothing but pain, suffering and torment to our fellow humans here on Earth, but in your last moments before the end of your life profess to believe that Jesus Christ is your lord and savior you will go to heaven and be rewarded with peace and joy for eternity.

The human mind is still so complex it is barely understood in reality.

Childish rationalizations in religious terms for the most part are just an attempt at personal validation to a degree. but that is just my opinion.

I'll probably die and be reincarnated as a cockroach.

 

[disappoint]

So you think that having what of you is part of loving others exist eternally along side God is... a reason people should not think that human suffering doesn't matters?

Even though the dude who told that story was really clear, and the rest of the new testament as well, that the point of salvation is so that you can do good works on earth... a death bed confession is better than someone living?

You have Christianity down completely wrong.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=salvation+only+through+jesus+christ

Quick grab a goal post we'll move them over there. Hurry before someone sees us!

In 2009, Danish football goalkeeper Kim Christensen was caught on camera literally moving the goalposts in order to gain advantage over the opposing team. Christensen's moving the goalposts was discovered by a referee about 20 minutes into the game, but Christensen did not suffer a suspension or any fines for his actions.

 

[John Connor]

sexy nurse.

that is all

Now this, THIS! is a sexy nurse

Babe pic, NSFW? http://imgur.com/A7RW79s

 

[Dr. Zaus]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=salvation+only+through+jesus+christ

Quick grab a goal post we'll move them over there. Hurry before someone sees us!

I'm writing here to share who I am and what I've experienced because I've been to hell and back and want others who also might be suffering to know there are other ways. So You are right: an honest discussion IS moving the "goal post" when compared to a debate.

 

[interchange]

I'm not sure this brain phenomenon is any different than say alien abduction experiences. We clearly have an ability to enter trance states and exit them with absolute certainty of the objectiveness of our observations while in them.

Give me the afterlife experience of someone who has never been exposed to such a concept or pondered even in a deep unconscious space what happens after one dies and I will put stock in it. Since that is impossible, I will simply live on regretting I have learned too much about the mind to enjoy believing in that crap.

 

[agent00f]

I'm not sure this brain phenomenon is any different than say alien abduction experiences. We clearly have an ability to enter trance states and exit them with absolute certainty of the objectiveness of our observations while in them.

Give me the afterlife experience of someone who has never been exposed to such a concept or pondered even in a deep unconscious space what happens after one dies and I will put stock in it. Since that is impossible, I will simply live on regretting I have learned too much about the mind to enjoy believing in that crap.

Why does someone have to be exposed to such a concept to try to connect the dots (incorrectly) that whatever odd visions they have near death is the afterlife?

 

[interchange]

Why does someone have to be exposed to such a concept to try to connect the dots (incorrectly) that whatever odd visions they have near death is the afterlife?

I think I meant the content not the concept. But really I'm not sure it matters. The brain will connect what is there to connect. So I guess the requirement would be a blank slate.

 

[KMFJD]

Nvm

 

[OCNewbie]

Evolutionarily what's the point of developing such psychological mechanisms?

My understanding: Evolution doesn't have a "point". It's not like "evolution" is a thinking, planning entity. Evolution is random things occurring, and through natural selection, these random things proliferate throughout generations of a species. If the mutation/change is neither beneficial nor deleterious, it may live on indefinitely, until another mutation, and subsequent natural selection, phases it out.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Jesus Loves all of you regardless of your position....

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

He'll still throw you in the lake of fire if you don't say the magic words before you die, though.

 

[Sven_eng]

Any of you guys ever had a dream that felt real? It's the same thing, brain tricking you.

 

[agent00f]

Any of you guys ever had a dream that felt real? It's the same thing, brain tricking you.

It's real when it involves an authoritative bearded man of your ethnicity, though.

 

[JEDIYoda]

He'll still throw you in the lake of fire if you don't say the magic words before you die, though.

What magic words?? I see no magic words or demand for magic words in my Bible! All I see are references to having a relationship that goes beyond knowing in your head, because even satan knows in his head there is a God. But satin is incapable of having a relationship that some people would call placing your beliefs into actions and having a heart felt relationship....but that's Ok!! The final authority will be decided one day!!

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

My favorite part is the way the whole "throwing you in the lake of fire" bit isn't a point of contention, but rather it's the wholly arbitrary rigmarole that's apparently required to keep the totally normal and not-inconsistent-with-'loving'-you "throwing you in the lake of fire" bit from happening.