Well god bless him!!!!BEACHWOOD, Ohio (PIX11) A trucker in Ohio shocked hospital staff after coming back to life nearly an hour after he lost his pulse following a massive heart attack but its what he claims to have seen during those tense moments that has him sure theres an afterlife.
Brian Miller, 41, was opening the lid of a container when he knew something felt wrong he immediately called 911 and told the operator, Im a truck driver and I think Im having a heart attack." [more]
Would anyone want to really come back here?? (With how bad this place has gotton??)Miller remembered, She grabbed ahold of my arm and told me, Its not your time, you dont need to be here, weve got to take you back youve got things to go and do.
Chris Carter was educated at Oxford University in Economics and Philosophy. He is the author of three highly acclaimed books that explore controversial areas of science and philosophy,
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Pim van Lommel (born 15 March 1943) is a Dutch author and researcher in the field of near-death studies. He studied medicine at Utrecht University, specializing in cardiology. He worked as a cardiologist at the Rijnstate Hospital, Arnhem, for 26 years (1977-2003).
Lommel is best known for his work on the subject of near-death experiences, including a prospective study published in the medical journal The Lancet.
This is of course what I'd call "classic", and as "cheesy" as it may seem, explain why this is so common? Pure coincidence? So our oxygen deprived brains just happen to hallucinate the next best deceased relative and then hallucinate that they tell us "it's not your time yet"...or in some cases (as in some NDEs) give us a choice?It was during that time that Miller said he slipped away into a celestial world, “The only thing I remember I started seeing the light, and started walking toward the light.”
He described walking down a flower-lined path into white light — until he came upon his step mother, who had died recently, “She was the most beautiful thing when I seen her, it was like the first day I met her, (she) looked so happy.”
Miller remembered, “She grabbed ahold of my arm and told me, ‘It’s not your time, you don’t need to be here, we’ve got to take you back you’ve got things to go and do.’”
I am respectful and appreciative of your ideas and research on this matter, but I must ask: how does one have a memory of something that was not experienced by a brain? A biological explanation, which there must be, does not preclude a spiritual explanation of why the biological process exists.This is of course what I'd call "classic", and as "cheesy" as it may seem, explain why this is so common? Pure coincidence? So our oxygen deprived brains just happen to hallucinate the next best deceased relative and then hallucinate that they tell us "it's not your time yet"...or in some cases (as in some NDEs) give us a choice?
And hundreds, if not thousands of people of all walks of life all over have pretty much the same type of hallucination? How comes?
I an respectful and appreciative of your ideas and research on this matter, but I must ask: how does one have a memory of something that was not experienced by a brain? A biological explanation, which there must be, does not preclude a spiritual explanation of why the biological process exists.
I think God gave man the ability to have religious-estatic experiences so that we could be the animal that loves God: for example.
If anyone could show any existence of a Spiritual realm, then maybe it could be believed. Same goes for a god.
Give me your definition of spiritual and let us come up with a shared definition of the idea.
When we agree on a definition we can develop a test for it.
Don't give up just because it's impossible today.
Tell me what you mean and we'll make it work.
I agree to move off my position if it doesn't.
Sound fair?
You're the one who seemingly believes it exists. What is your definition?
The existence of all potential outcomes of quantum uncertainty. I believe "everything happens".
But that's nonsense in my head meant for me to understand; what would satisfy you to have proven?
PhatoseAlpha,
the "hallucinations of the brain" due to oxygen deprivation are the silliest, most un-scientific explanation. I take it you have never pursued this interesting subject yourself.
I recommend you read books by Pim van Lommel "Consciousness Beyond Life", the very good "Dying to be Me" by Anita Morjani and especially the "Journey of Souls" series by Michael Newton and the books by Chris Carter.
Warning, YES there are is a lot of crap in this niche and a lot of "religious" books, let me assure you those are not.
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To come back to your argument that it's hallucinations, explain to me why people who have NDEs report pretty much the same experiences (with some distinctions, depending on their beliefs)..not some chaotic "hallucinations"?
Explain to me why people who have NDEs report ONLY, and ONLY to meet actual deceased people and why there is not one single NDE report I am aware of where a person "meets" living people or "fantasy people".
Explain to me how it comes that afterlife experiences are consistent and the same, for hundreds of years, across cultures actually.
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By the way there are people who "scientifically" had been "dead", aka brain activity ceased entirely. There is a "famous" case where a woman had brain surgery, where they needed to "freeze" her brain, no brain activity whatsoever. (I am sure there are more such cases)
I am sorry, the "explanation" that NDEs are "hallucinations" is waaaayyy too simple to me, in fact entirely ridiculous. I urge you to read those books too.
BS. His brain was alive long enough to form his visions. The news story is the result of poor journalism and lacks any details by merely glazing over it, likely from a biased religious writer anyway. Looks just like one of those news bits to not only fluff up his job for the day but also serve as bait to attract clickers.
Furthermore as far as unity of these experiences go, we all share lots of similarities when our brains are exposed to the same things. Take drugs for example, even LSD, we share the same effects because the drug effects our brains the same way. No different than when our brains panic and suffer from lack of oxygen.
You seem to have ignored his argument, which is against a lot of thr things you seem to be tagging him with.Are you aware that there have been plenty of experiences that deprive people of enough oxygen to their brain, and those people, while nowhere near death, describe the exact same experiences? It's how the brain works.
Can YOU explain why out of the 100's or 1000's of people who have "died" and been brought back to life, why not a single one of them experienced something called hell?
And, if the ultimate goal is to get to Heaven in the afterlife, why the heck would anyone consider getting there, then being shipped back to this place is winning? Shouldn't it be, "Oh, I got in there, but they sent me back for a few years. Now, I've got to be really careful that I don't screw something up and end up in the other place, since I've got to go through dying again."
And, if Heaven exists and is awesome, why would terminally ill people with cancer bother to get treated?? Hey, you're a bit closer to Heaven. A few sects do seem to follow this logic. I.e., no blood transfusions, etc.
Where in the Bible does it say that's our purpose for existence? If someone dies at a young age - babies dying in the first year of their lives - their opportunities to love others is cut short, if it ever happened at all. Thus, if God's purpose for us to be on Earth is to love each other, then what was the purpose of the baby who dies at an age of 3 months?You seem to have ignored his argument, which is against a lot of thr things you seem to be tagging him with.
Why not mill yourself to get to heaven faster? Because we exist to love each other: Hard to do what we exist for if you die.