Man Sends Wife Spreadsheet Of All Her Excuses Not To Have Sex

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alkemyst

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I don't really agree that kids affect sex life...at least that has not been the case for my wife and I. We are 2 months in after having twins and we are pretty much back to where we were before the pregnancy. I will say that it likely helps that she stays home with the kids. If we both worked, I think our exhaustion would definitely hinder.

You live in a world outside everyone else. Your M3 was a turd, yet you think it was equal to mine.

Personally, I think you moved to Denver for marijuana. You are that sloppy.
 

MrDudeMan

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same, we have a 5 and 2 year old and still continue to get busy at least 3-4 times a week.

Yep, same here. With two kids (5 and 3) we're still doing it at least 4 times a week, sometimes more. It only slows down if you let it. There's no reason you can't make it happen with kids unless you're just not making an effort. I understand how it could happen with kids because they do take some of our time, but it's a bullshit excuse to say you just can't find the time.
 

Blackjack200

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I'm not going to pretend that I've kept up with this thread, but I keep seeing the issue of kids come up. Obviously that can have some affect, but I've been in relationships with two divorced women, both of them told me that they were down to sex a few times a year with their exes, and neither of them has kids. So this is something that can obviously happen in the absence of kids too.
 

PricklyPete

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You live in a world outside everyone else. Your M3 was a turd, yet you think it was equal to mine.



Personally, I think you moved to Denver for marijuana. You are that sloppy.


Rough week for you Alke? That was a terribly incoherent response.
 

vi edit

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We are 2 months in after having twins and we are pretty much back to where we were before the pregnancy.

Oh just wait. At 2 months they are still in the "lay on the floor and bat at an activity mat" phase. In another 12-16 months they'll both be running from one end of the house, climbing on the dining room table, pulling any and everything out from cabinets, locking you out of the house when you go to garage, flinging food on every square inch of your kitchen, and so on.

As they get older it takes *A LOT* more energy to keep up with them.
 

PricklyPete

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Oh just wait. At 2 months they are still in the "lay on the floor and bat at an activity mat" phase. In another 12-16 months they'll both be running from one end of the house, climbing on the dining room table, pulling any and everything out from cabinets, locking you out of the house when you go to garage, flinging food on every square inch of your kitchen, and so on.



As they get older it takes *A LOT* more energy to keep up with them.


Touché ... I can't speak for what is ahead.
 

Wyndru

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Yep, same here. With two kids (5 and 3) we're still doing it at least 4 times a week, sometimes more. It only slows down if you let it. There's no reason you can't make it happen with kids unless you're just not making an effort. I understand how it could happen with kids because they do take some of our time, but it's a bullshit excuse to say you just can't find the time.

Does your wife work? And does she ever initiate any of this sex or is it you that "makes it happen"?

If she is really into it, that's cool man, good for you. But the reality is a lot of women aren't ready to go 4 times a week, especially when they are tired.
 

BoberFett

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Wyndru you just sound like you're making excuses about your failure of a sexual relationship, claiming that men should stop wanting it from their wives, and asking to have sex is "pestering" her.

Just because you're a pussy whipped loser doesn't mean all men are.
 

Phanuel

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Does your wife work? And does she ever initiate any of this sex or is it you that "makes it happen"?

If she is really into it, that's cool man, good for you. But the reality is a lot of women aren't ready to go 4 times a week, especially when they are tired.

Not true at all, but reality is what you make of it. If you're low desire, then fine, great, enjoy what you've got because it's what you want.

But if you're not and there's a noticeable decrease in sexual activity from one end of the relationship, reality is that there's probably something somewhere that someone dropped. Likely the man has changed into something unattractive and is failing to properly get the woman turned on during the day before hand.

Since you don't care, but others probably will, MMSL.
 

alkemyst

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Does your wife work? And does she ever initiate any of this sex or is it you that "makes it happen"?

If she is really into it, that's cool man, good for you. But the reality is a lot of women aren't ready to go 4 times a week, especially when they are tired.

It's clear you want it or are just trolling.
 

Wyndru

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Wyndru you just sound like you're making excuses about your failure of a sexual relationship, claiming that men should stop wanting it from their wives, and asking to have sex is "pestering" her.

Just because you're a pussy whipped loser doesn't mean all men are.

Honestly, I'm just blown away that some men think like this. There are some comments here that make me feel bad for your wives. I love the attitude that if you aren't getting sex at least 4 times a week then your wife got lazy. It sounds primitive, like you should go beat her over the head with a club and take it caveman style.

I'm just amazed is all. And I honestly don't know anyone with young kids that have sex this regularly. But at the same time I don't know anyone who gives a shit about it, even the guys. That being said, all of our friends our age are 2 person income, maybe it's just the stress of the jobs and lack of time. I don't know.

It would be interesting to see a woman's forum discussion on this, I'm thinking most guys stating they are having frequent sex are either full of shit, or the woman is just putting up with it and isn't really enjoying it. It's sad either way.
 

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Does your wife work? And does she ever initiate any of this sex or is it you that "makes it happen"?

If she is really into it, that's cool man, good for you. But the reality is a lot of women aren't ready to go 4 times a week, especially when they are tired.

Most women don't initiate because they don't have to. Men by nature are more of an on/off switch when it comes to sex drive and the woman will leave it up the man to start the process. It's also a game women play. Women want to be wanted. They *want* you to initiate. But they want it done on their terms. That varies wildly from woman to woman.

How much intimate contact do you have with her *outside* the bedroom? I'm not talking a peck on a the cheek on the way out to work. I'm saying if the kids are asleep and she's watching tv do you ever come up to her from behind and start kissing her up and down her neck giving her goosebumps from her head to her toes? How often have you given her a foot massage or massaged her scalp? When was the last time you told her she looked beautiful? I'd throw these same questions out to the guy that made the spreadsheet.

In many situations the lack of sex is because the guy just got lazy and doesn't want to put effort into it. If you guys just sit down and watch TV for and hour and veg out after the kids go to bed there's no spark there. She's done and just going to pack it in and head to bed.
 

nehalem256

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Wyndru you just sound like you're making excuses about your failure of a sexual relationship, claiming that men should stop wanting it from their wives, and asking to have sex is "pestering" her.

Just because you're a pussy whipped loser doesn't mean all men are.

Pestering a woman for sex is basically attempted rape according to feminists.

That being said, all of our friends our age are 2 person income, maybe it's just the stress of the jobs and lack of time. I don't know.

Seems like an excellent argument against marrying a woman that wants a career then

It would be interesting to see a woman's forum discussion on this, I'm thinking most guys stating they are having frequent sex are either full of shit, or the woman is just putting up with it and isn't really enjoying it. It's sad either way.

So much for the idea that women like sex just as much as men :\
 

Train

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People keep focusing on what is the appropriate frequency of sex, and I think that misses the point of the spreadsheet.

They are all EXCUSES. Maybe a few are legit actual reasons, but some are clearly pointed out to be bullshit.

A wife may not be required to have sex with her husband on command, but she is required to tell the truth. And by the looks of that spreadsheet, she's not.

I think we can all agree that blowing smoke up your spouses ass is not a good thing right?
 

MrDudeMan

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Does your wife work? And does she ever initiate any of this sex or is it you that "makes it happen"?

If she is really into it, that's cool man, good for you. But the reality is a lot of women aren't ready to go 4 times a week, especially when they are tired.

She's been a stay at home mom and a working mom. It makes no difference as we make time for it in either case.

Our rule is pretty simple: we never say no to each other. It requires effort sometimes but it's always worth it because no one feels rejected and whoever wasn't in the mood at the beginning ends up in the mood after thirty seconds. There's a mutual understanding that we don't initiate when the other person is obviously dealing with something, but that's few and far between. This behavior carries into the rest of our relationship, which keeps us on the same page about pretty much everything.

With that said, I have no problem objectively showing my wife her behavior with a spreadsheet. I've done it many times in the past when she didn't realize how her time was being spent on the phone or how small purchases added up to be a lot. My wife isn't an irrational idiot, though, so maybe I'm just biased. I showed her this article and she had no problem with it in concept. The last time I used a spreadsheet on her was when she complained about not having enough time to go do stuff with her friends, so I downloaded and graphed her cell phone minute usage to show her how she could be better prioritizing her time. People in this thread are making WAY too big of a deal out of a spreadsheet. It's a convenient way to write something down and then use as a basis for discussion with another person. Writing things down is often the best way to get feelings across to another person and this is a logical extension of that.
 

Wyndru

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How much intimate contact do you have with her *outside* the bedroom? I'm not talking a peck on a the cheek on the way out to work. I'm saying if the kids are asleep and she's watching tv do you ever come up to her from behind and start kissing her up and down her neck giving her goosebumps from her head to her toes? How often have you given her a foot massage or massaged her scalp? When was the last time you told her she looked beautiful?
Constantly... We are very intimate outside of the bedroom. We play a lot but we don't have the need to run into the bedroom every time we look at each other. Maybe we just don't have a strong drive. When we do have sex it's pretty crazy though, we do some fun shit, and we have hosted sex toy parties for the ladies at our house, so we have accessories and enjoy it a lot, we just don't need it that often.

Probably more info than you wanted lol.
 

MrDudeMan

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Honestly, I'm just blown away that some men think like this. There are some comments here that make me feel bad for your wives. I love the attitude that if you aren't getting sex at least 4 times a week then your wife got lazy. It sounds primitive, like you should go beat her over the head with a club and take it caveman style.

You're reading into it more than what was intended. I read the same comments and I find mostly no issues with any of it. You get married for a lot of reasons and sex is a valid one. Women aren't stupid; they know that's a big part of it for most guys.

I'm just amazed is all. And I honestly don't know anyone with young kids that have sex this regularly. But at the same time I don't know anyone who gives a shit about it, even the guys. That being said, all of our friends our age are 2 person income, maybe it's just the stress of the jobs and lack of time. I don't know.

Having two jobs doesn't mean squat. If you want to make time for your relationship, then you will. If you don't, then you won't. It's really that simple.

It would be interesting to see a woman's forum discussion on this, I'm thinking most guys stating they are having frequent sex are either full of shit, or the woman is just putting up with it and isn't really enjoying it. It's sad either way.

I talk about this regularly with my sisters and their husbands. We joke about it a lot, but it's usually with a serious undertone. I don't know exact numbers nor would I want to, but I know they do it basically the same amount as I do with my wife, which is multiple times per week, and they all have small kids. My friends have kids between 6 months and 10 years and they haven't really slowed down either. I hang out with people who are energetic and don't prioritize money as their primary objective in life for whatever that's worth.


Most women don't initiate because they don't have to. Men by nature are more of an on/off switch when it comes to sex drive and the woman will leave it up the man to start the process. It's also a game women play. Women want to be wanted. They *want* you to initiate. But they want it done on their terms. That varies wildly from woman to woman.

How much intimate contact do you have with her *outside* the bedroom? I'm not talking a peck on a the cheek on the way out to work. I'm saying if the kids are asleep and she's watching tv do you ever come up to her from behind and start kissing her up and down her neck giving her goosebumps from her head to her toes? How often have you given her a foot massage or massaged her scalp? When was the last time you told her she looked beautiful? I'd throw these same questions out to the guy that made the spreadsheet.

In many situations the lack of sex is because the guy just got lazy and doesn't want to put effort into it. If you guys just sit down and watch TV for and hour and veg out after the kids go to bed there's no spark there. She's done and just going to pack it in and head to bed.

This. I touch my wife in sexual and non-sexual ways at least 10 times per day. If we're at my sister's house, I'll grab my wife's boobs as soon as no one is looking and then go back to what I was doing. She says she doesn't like it in a sarcastic tone, but I know she does because it gets her turned on and if I don't do it she'll eventually ask me what's going on. Stuff like that is both simple and slightly immature, but it keeps us connected on multiple levels.

The bottom line is that a relationship doesn't magically stay awesome. If you put work into it and spend time trying to make it better, then it will be better. If you don't, then it will suffer. Sex is an important part and people like Wyndru obviously haven't realized that. If you fail to maintain intimacy and a strong bond, which is absolutely achieved by having sex with your spouse, then other things fall apart as well.
 
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Wyndru

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With that said, I have no problem objectively showing my wife her behavior with a spreadsheet. I've done it many times in the past when she didn't realize how her time was being spent on the phone or how small purchases added up to be a lot. My wife isn't an irrational idiot, though, so maybe I'm just biased. I showed her this article and she had no problem with it in concept. The last time I used a spreadsheet on her was when she complained about not having enough time to go do stuff with her friends, so I downloaded and graphed her cell phone minute usage to show her how she could be better prioritizing her time. People in this thread are making WAY too big of a deal out of a spreadsheet. It's a convenient way to write something down and then use as a basis for discussion with another person. Writing things down is often the best way to get feelings across to another person and this is a logical extension of that.

Would you be cool with her showing you a spreadsheet of how you could better manage your time or spend money? It comes off a little obnoxious to me to point things out in that manner, which is why I could never do that. You mention that she isn't an irrational idiot, yet you feel that you need to visually show her how to manage her time and spend money. The way you say "the last time I used a spreadsheet on her"....it just sounds odd to me.
 

PlanetJosh

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Wonder if he got rich in the next year or two from a lucky investment, business or the lottery would they do it more. That's pie in the sky I know, they sound like regular working people from that article.
 

MrDudeMan

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Would you be cool with her showing you a spreadsheet of how you could better manage your time or spend money? It comes off a little obnoxious to me to point things out in that manner, which is why I could never do that. You mention that she isn't an irrational idiot, yet you feel that you need to visually show her how to manage her time and spend money. The way you say "the last time I used a spreadsheet on her"....it just sounds odd to me.

She's written bulleted emails to me, which is pretty much the exact same thing, and no, I don't care at all. Looking at something as a list is much easier to comprehend than trying to compile it in your brain as a person is speaking.

I show my employees their performance faults with lists on a piece of paper so we can work through them. I have had the same thing done to me at numerous jobs. It works because people are able to comprehend quantities and ratios easier when they can see data. The exact method of expressing it is inconsequential.

No, not everything needs to be written down. Most of the time talking works just fine. However, after months of her complaining about her lack of free time and not listening to me when I explained that she's spending too much of it on the phone, I wrote it down to show her. Once she saw it like that, she had a more visceral understanding of how much of her day was being wasted.

I've 'spreadsheeted' her three times in 14 years, so it's hardly a habit. It's a tool to convey information when other methods haven't worked. I have no issue with someone doing it to me. Saying it comes off as obnoxious is probably just a projection of your own attitude because there's nothing obnoxious about data. If you approach the situation like an obnoxious person, whether or not you have anything written down won't matter. The fact of the matter is sometimes people don't listen or can't comprehend a piece of information. Expressing it to them visually is perfectly legitimate. Your attitude while you show it to them is another matter entirely.
 

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Wonder if he got rich in the next year or two from a lucky investment, business or the lottery would they do it more. That's pie in the sky I know, they sound like regular working people from that article.

Not sure what that would solve. Money doesn't fix communication and intimacy issues.
 

PlanetJosh

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Not sure what that would solve. Money doesn't fix communication and intimacy issues.
True but as Playboy magazine put it many years ago money may not be able to buy love (or intimacy) but it can get you a "reasonable facsimile" as they put it.
 

Wyndru

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My wife just texted me and told me babcia was picking up the kids from day care and bringing them to her house for a few hours. I replied... Quickie? Otherwise I'll have to update the spreadsheet. I'm pretty sure I'm good to go now.
 
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