Man Sent to Prison for Writing about Fictitious Child Abuse in his Private, UNPUBLISHED Journal...

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shiner

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<< I don't care if it's wrong for putting him away but that sh!t is just wrong >>


That sound you here is the Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.
 

Amused

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<< screw that guy.......I don't care if it's wrong for putting him away but that sh!t is just wrong >>



I just hope for your sake you never have an impure or unpopular thought, much less write it down.
 

EvanFerguson

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I'm sure the founding fathers would have LOVED to have everyone write about screwing childeren and other obscene incidents like that.........


thinking is the least offencive.......
writing is next
and doing is the final......

think all you want, it's not the thought police here


and if I ever write down about how I would go molest a child then you can shoot me on the spot.......that's pure suck
 

Amused

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<< I'm sure the founding fathers would have LOVED to have everyone write about screwing childeren and other obscene incidents like that.........


thinking is the least offencive.......
writing is next
and doing is the final......

think all you want, it's not the thought police here


and if I ever write down about how I would go molest a child then you can shoot me on the spot.......that's pure suck
>>



The man had private thoughts, and wrote them in a private diary. The Founding Fathers would have had a sh!t fit had they thought the government could convict you soley for your private thoughts.
 

Freejack2

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I think they should have used it as grounds to commit him to a psychiatric center not put him in jail for 10 years. At least in a psychiatric center they can try to cure the guy. Sad part is other people harming children like drug pushers on schoolgrounds are still out on the street.
 

Antisocial Virge

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<< I just hope for your sake you never have an impure or unpopular thought, much less write it down >>



Not the same thing. This kinda like a knife slasher who did time then was found sitting at home sharpening a huge knife. He probably shouldn't go to jail for it but he probably should still be in jail for the original crime. Personally, I wouldn't want the guy living next door to me when he still shows these sick ideas/fantasies.

I live in Columbus BTW.
 

BDawg

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<< thinking is the least offencive.......
writing is next
and doing is the final......
>>



Ah, so by your logic, it's only a matter of time before Steven King summons a horde of demons, develops a super virus, and wipes out life on earth?
 

Isla

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<< I just hope for your sake you never have an impure or unpopular thought, much less write it down. >>



Thoughts about torturing children go a wee bit past unpopular, IMHO.

I think a line can be drawn between this case and others. What are we so worried about protecting? The right to think about coprophilia or bestiality?

Take a look at some FBI files... the kind of behavior this guy has been exhibiting (obsession) is extremely dangerous. &quot;Unpopular&quot; is not exactly the word to describe his fantasies.

So, you are scared of the thought police? I am a little more concerned with those who don't realize that our children really are our future.

Torturing and victimizing children should be considered unthinkable.

You may not agree with me, but we all have our priorities... and mine are the health and well-being of children above that guy's right to dream of destroying them.
 

shiner

Lifer
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Sure it's the thought police...all the guy did, this time, was write his fantasies in a journal. They arrested and jailed him FOR HIS THOUGHTS.

Here's a rather famous example of your way of thinking....

Whereas you, Galileo, son of the late Vincenzio Galilei, of Florence, aged seventy years, were denounced in 1615, to this Holy Office, for holding as true a false doctrine taught by many, namely, that the sun is immovable in the center of the world, and that the earth moves, and also with a diurnal motion; also, for having pupils whom you instructed in the same opinions; also, for maintaining a correspondence on the same with some German mathematicians; also for publishing certain letters on the sun-spots, in which you developed the same doctrine as true; also, for answering the objections which were continually produced from the Holy Scriptures, by glozing the said Scriptures according to your own meaning; and whereas thereupon was produced the copy of a writing, in form of a letter professedly written by you to a person formerly your pupil, in which, following the hypothesis of Copernicus, you include several propositions contrary to the true sense and authority of the Holy Scriptures; therefore (this Holy Tribunal being desirous of providing against the disorder and mischief which were thence proceeding and increasing to the detriment of the Holy Faith) by the desire of his Holiness and the Most Emminent Lords, Cardinals of this supreme and universal Inquisition, the two propositions of the stability of the sun, and the motion of the earth, were qualified by the Theological Qualifiers as follows:

The proposition that the sun is in the center of the world and immovable from its place is absurd, philosophically false, and formally heretical; because it is expressly contrary to Holy Scriptures.

The proposition that the earth is not the center of the world, nor immovable, but that it moves, and also with a diurnal action, is also absurd, philosophically false, and, theologically considered, at least erroneous in faith.

Therefore . . . , invoking the most holy name of our Lord Jesus Christ and of His Most Glorious Mother Mary, We pronounce this Our final sentence: We pronounce, judge, and declare, that you, the said Galileo . . . have rendered yourself vehemently suspected by this Holy Office of heresy, that is, of having believed and held the doctrine (which is false and contrary to the Holy and Divine Scriptures) that the sun is the center of the world, and that it does not move from east to west, and that the earth does move, and is not the center of the world; also, that an opinion can be held and supported as probable, after it has been declared and finally decreed contrary to the Holy Scripture, and, consequently, that you have incurred all the censures and penalties enjoined and promulgated in the sacred canons and other general and particular constituents against delinquents of this description. From which it is Our pleasure that you be absolved, provided that with a sincere heart and unfeigned faith, in Our presence, you abjure, curse, and detest, the said error and heresies, and every other error and heresy contrary to the Catholic and Apostolic Church of Rome.



What's next, a burn the heretics thread?
 

EvanFerguson

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yes, of course that's what I meant

since we all do what we write down and we all write down what we think, right?

that's for letting everyone else know what I meant.......u r one c00l d00d!





bye bye, nap time
 

Antisocial Virge

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<< Ah, so by your logic, it's only a matter of time before Steven King summons a horde of demons, develops a super virus, and wipes out life on earth >>




Once again. Not the same thing. Steven king HAS NOT ALREADY DONE THIS ONCE.
 

BDawg

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<< Once again. Not the same thing. Steven king HAS NOT ALREADY DONE THIS ONCE. >>



But how can we be sure he won't? If we imprisson him for the rest of his life, he won't get the chance!

Truely, this particular guy is a sick f*** and better off in jail. But, I don't like the extensions of search, seizure, and prosecution made possible by this rights abuse.

BTW, what's coprophilia?
 

Isla

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It's playing with your poo poo, BDawg.

I'm not saying that people should be jailed for thinking about committing crimes. It is just that in this particular case, what he wrote was horrible enough to convince a jury to convict him. I don't exactly see this guy as a parallel to Galileo...

I'm assuming it was not because he was such a talented writer... although, knowing this country, before you know it he will be making a profit off his journal from jail...

I understand the fear some of you all have of some sort of big brother government taking over, but I am more afraid of the lack of respect we have for each other as human beings. That's just how I see it... we live in a sick society and it isn't getting better, is it?

Anway, I'm outta here.

Peace~
 

Antisocial Virge

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<< But how can we be sure he won't? >>

Common sence maybe?

If you guys think this is wrong, what are your views on this guy probably having to report in as a sexual offender? Dosn't that cross the lines of his freedom also?
 

BDawg

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<< before you know it he will be making a profit off his journal from jail... >>



Making a profit from a criminal act is illegal.



<< If you guys think this is wrong, what are your views on this guy probably having to report in as a sexual offender? Dosn't that cross the lines of his freedom also? >>



I'm really +/- on that. There is the fact that most sexual offenders repeat their crimes. Making them register does seem to make people constantly pay for crimes they have already paid for.

Megan's law has little to do with this crime though. This man registering has nothing to do with his conviction. He was sentenced for something he wrote.
 

crystal

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Common sense or not.. If we justify our action by jailing him, what other actions will we be able to justify later. Remember, justice is blind.

BTW, reporting a possible crime is one thing. There are due processes to protect the accused party.
 

Antisocial Virge

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<< This man registering has nothing to do with his conviction >>



Never meant for this present conviction. Just making a point about where the line should be drawn on a persons rights. I figure if this scum-bucket is still walking the earth then the courts did not go far enough.




<< BTW, reporting a possible crime is one thing. There are due processes to protect the accused party >>



I meant reporting to the local police and possibly the neighbors when he moves into a town.
 

AaronP

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maybe writing that stuff was his way of releasing pressure or something so that he wouldn't have to do it in real life. Anyways, it is bullsh*t that this guy's lawyer told him to take a plea. what a lousy lawyer.
 

pulpp

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i think this kind of writings should not be allowed to be published, period. this guy certainly had a questionable behaviour already, and i think he deserves being punished for it. but arresting people based on what they might do is scary as well.


and this really makes me ask, what about all those film and song writers? i dont think there is a shortage of movies that portray children in a sexual manner.
 

HansHurt

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I wonder what sort of decision would have been made or sentence imposed if it were not a jury trial?


This fool probably wishes that he did act out his fantasy now.
 

JHalpin

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I think the specifics in this case(ie kiddie porn) are masking the greater underlying principle involved here. Let me remove kiddie porn and substitute bank robbery and see if it has the same effect.


Man gets 10 year sentence for writing about fictitious bank robbery in private journal. Investigators at first believed the man had actually robbed a bank but later found it was only a fantasy in his mind. However, since he did actually write it down in a journal, even though he showed it to noone else, he has committed the felony of bank robbery in our minds. We know this to be true because a couple of years ago he was caught shoplifting down at the local Walmart.

Not nearly the same effect is it.

Kiddie porn and Bank robbery are both illegal. I contend the underlying principle is the same in each case, just the specifics that are different.

 

Amused

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<< I just hope for your sake you never have an impure or unpopular thought, much less write it down >>



Not the same thing. This kinda like a knife slasher who did time then was found sitting at home sharpening a huge knife. He probably shouldn't go to jail for it but he probably should still be in jail for the original crime. Personally, I wouldn't want the guy living next door to me when he still shows these sick ideas/fantasies.

I live in Columbus BTW.
>>



Only the knife slasher never slashed anyone, he only traded pictures of slashing victims.
 

Barefoot

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My word....those lucky souls in hell, they get a break from the heat, because I am siding with the ACLU.

Some people have suggested that his writings may have been to help relieve the desire to actually act out these obsessions. Some have disagreed, sometimes vehemently. I, personally, feel this to be a valid point, however. Why would psychiatrists so often ask patients to keep journals of feelings and thoughts if it were not to help relieve mental anguish and stress over such contemplations? Oh, and did any of you notice the little clip there about what he said at his sentencing? &quot;Over the past few months, I looked back at it and realized it was not something I could do. I don't know how I imagined to write anything like that.&quot; I cannot be convinced that he does not have a conscience. Anyone who is able to say that obviously has gained a grasp of right and wrong, if they did not already have one beforehand. And he apparently had figured out which side of that line he wanted to stand on. Who's to say that he hadn't written that journal months ago, stopped, and had forgotten about it and was now leading a clean life?

I think that the best solution for the guy would have been psychiatric evaluation and therapy, not freakin' jail time. Gimme a break.
 

Smbu

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&quot;i think this kind of writings should not be allowed to be published, period. this guy certainly had a questionable behaviour already, and i think he deserves being punished for it. but arresting people based on what they might do is scary as well.&quot;

He wrote these stories in his personal journal. His journal was never published.

&quot;COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - A man who wrote in his journal about sexually abusing and torturing children has been sentenced to 10 years in prison, even though the stories were fictitious.&quot;

&quot;Dalton, 22, of Columbus, was charged with pandering obscenity involving a minor after his probation officer found the journal during a routine search of his home.&quot;
 
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