Man Shot in London

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Hafen
One way to get around that no-death penalty thing there. Too bad, he deserved a lot worse than that.

:disgust:


Here's a CCTV picture of the guy just before he was shot dead. Yeah, that looks like a 'winter coat' alright.

:disgust:

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2005/WORLD/europe/07/23/london.tube/story.cctv1.ap.jpg

LONDON, England (CNN) -- Police say the man they shot dead at a London Underground station "was not connected" with this week's attempted bombings on the city's transit system.

"For somebody to lose their life in such circumstances is a tragedy and one that the Metropolitan Police Service regrets," the police statement said Saturday.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07/23/london.tube/index.html

I doubt we'll see any repugs come in here and apologize. (COUGH *TLC, IMWINCUR, DBL, HAFEN* COUGH)

 

[Proletariat]

That looks like a f'in sweatshirt. I guess hes from the ghetto :roll:

THESE COPS ARE GARBAGE. ANYONE WHO SUPPORTS THEIR ACTIONS is just.... This is just f'in despicable. UGH. Time to listen to some RATM before a I burst a vein.

 

[feelingshorter]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
That looks like a f'in sweatshirt. I guess hes from the ghetto :roll:

THESE COPS ARE GARBAGE. ANYONE WHO SUPPORTS THEIR ACTIONS is just.... This is just f'in despicable. UGH. Time to listen to some RATM before a I burst a vein.

after two bombings, and some guy runs from the police...well then you get shot, stupidity = death. WHY would you run if you do not have anything to hide? If you were stopped by the police would you run? Plus im asian and i think the guy should have just followed their directions if he was innocent.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: feelingshorter

Originally posted by: Proletariat
That looks like a f'in sweatshirt. I guess hes from the ghetto :roll:

THESE COPS ARE GARBAGE. ANYONE WHO SUPPORTS THEIR ACTIONS is just.... This is just f'in despicable. UGH. Time to listen to some RATM before a I burst a vein.

after two bombings, and some guy runs from the police...well then you get shot, stupidity = death. WHY would you run if you do not have anything to hide? If you were stopped by the police would you run? Plus im asian and i think the guy should have just followed their directions if he was innocent.

I don't believe anything these police say now. First they said he was DEFINITELY linked. Now just today they totally backpedal and said he is completely unrelated and may be innocent. They also lied and said that he had a jacket on with wires sticking out.

BTW I really don't understand your comment about Asians - care to elaborate?

 

[ChicagoPCGuy]

Originally posted by: feelingshorter

Originally posted by: Proletariat
That looks like a f'in sweatshirt. I guess hes from the ghetto :roll:

THESE COPS ARE GARBAGE. ANYONE WHO SUPPORTS THEIR ACTIONS is just.... This is just f'in despicable. UGH. Time to listen to some RATM before a I burst a vein.

after two bombings, and some guy runs from the police...well then you get shot, stupidity = death. WHY would you run if you do not have anything to hide? If you were stopped by the police would you run? Plus im asian and i think the guy should have just followed their directions if he was innocent.

He might have had something to hide. A bazillion speeding tickets, wanted for not paying child support. Maybe just mentally ill. Who knows. I am not disputing that he was ill-advised to run, especially given the current circumstances.

My point is that no matter that he did run, what happened was CRIMINAL--and the criminal actions were committed by the cops in this case.

My other point is that a large number of people seem to think this is OK or that he got what he deserved or something. That is frightening. That tells me that there are far too many people who put blind faith into their government. This type of blind faith leads up to disaster--history proves it.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: feelingshorter

Originally posted by: Proletariat
That looks like a f'in sweatshirt. I guess hes from the ghetto :roll:

THESE COPS ARE GARBAGE. ANYONE WHO SUPPORTS THEIR ACTIONS is just.... This is just f'in despicable. UGH. Time to listen to some RATM before a I burst a vein.

after two bombings, and some guy runs from the police...well then you get shot, stupidity = death. WHY would you run if you do not have anything to hide? If you were stopped by the police would you run? Plus im asian and i think the guy should have just followed their directions if he was innocent.

Don't bring up the circumstances around this case. It will be deflected as if it doesn't even matter. The righteous ones will point fingers at the man, because it's clearly obvious that a guy coming from a house suspected to be a residence of one of the bombers who then ran from the cops, jumped a security barrier, and ran onto a train, was completely innocent.

And if he had been a bomber, they didn't shoot him, and he subsequently blew himself, the cops, and other inocent people on that train up up, the very same whiners would have questioned why they didn't just shoot the guy in the first place.

Sucks to be a cop, doesn't it?

 

[KingofCamelot]

Originally posted by: Phokus
Here's a CCTV picture of the guy just before he was shot dead. Yeah, that looks like a 'winter coat' alright.

How about reading the article you provide a link to next time? The picture is NOT of the innocent man shot dead. I can see how with the picture being right next to the article title you could get the impression that he was the man who lost his life. However, if you read the article, you will notice:

The first CCTV -- or closed circuit TV -- image released by police Friday showed a young man in a dark top with they said had "New York" written on it. He was apparently fleeing the Oval station, where a bomb was left on a train.

Definately not the man who was shot at Stockwell Underground station.

 

[stateofbeasley]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4711021.stm

The BBC is reporting that the man who was shot was in fact a Brazilian citizen who was in no way connected with the bombings in the Underground. I have a feeling that the diplomatic fallout is going to be pretty terrible for the UK.

I hope this is an occurence that is not repeated. I hate to think that Western societies may have entered into a new age of chaos and fear.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: rustynails

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Dimkaumd
the guy was wearing a heavy winter jacket....hmm....i wonder what gave him away

Yeah, that and a bomb belt with wires sticking out of it could be considered pretty damning evidence.

If it was truly a bomb belt, and not just some techie nerd with a bunch of gadgets on his belt, e.g., an iPod and cell phone with wired headsets.

Typical jellyfinger, always trolling for ways to make the "good" guys look "bad". Glad to see you have your brethrens back.

Flake off, trollette. (Who were you before you were banned?) Come back when you can read. I supported the police in this instance.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: feelingshorter

Originally posted by: Proletariat
That looks like a f'in sweatshirt. I guess hes from the ghetto :roll:

THESE COPS ARE GARBAGE. ANYONE WHO SUPPORTS THEIR ACTIONS is just.... This is just f'in despicable. UGH. Time to listen to some RATM before a I burst a vein.

after two bombings, and some guy runs from the police...well then you get shot, stupidity = death. WHY would you run if you do not have anything to hide? If you were stopped by the police would you run? Plus im asian and i think the guy should have just followed their directions if he was innocent.

Don't bring up the circumstances around this case. It will be deflected as if it doesn't even matter. The righteous ones will point fingers at the man, because it's clearly obvious that a guy coming from a house suspected to be a residence of one of the bombers who then ran from the cops, jumped a security barrier, and ran onto a train, was completely innocent.

And if he had been a bomber, they didn't shoot him, and he subsequently blew himself, the cops, and other inocent people on that train up up, the very same whiners would have questioned why they didn't just shoot the guy in the first place.

Sucks to be a cop, doesn't it?

I'll stoop to your level. Sucks to be a brown man in the 21st century doesn't it? STFU.

 

[CaptnKirk]

And if he this . . . .

and if he that . . .

Pure speculation.

He was from Brazil, no bombs and unarmed

Maybe he didn't have His PAPERS !

 

[KingofCamelot]

Having caught some of A Few Good Men on TV last night, I feel like quoting Nicholson's famous speech. I'll butcher it to get the line I want.

Jessop: You want answers?
Kaffee: I think I'm entitled to them.
Jessop: You want answers?
Kaffee: I want the truth!
Jessop: You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has walls. And those walls have to be guarded by men with guns... I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom... And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall... I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to!

I'm not defending what these cops did, and 5 rounds to the head is excessive, but you can never know what was going through their minds. They were following a suspect in a subway bombing, and he leads them on a chase into a subway...for all they knew he had a bomb and was trying to get to the subway to detonate it. As for shooting him while he was on the ground, I'm sure it wasn't a push him to the ground, pat him down, and then just decide to blow his brains out. It was probably push to the ground, and then the suspect was still wrestling and not cooperating, and perhaps he started to fidget with something, or go for his pockets, or his bag, all this in a split second. The officers did what they thought they needed to do. Its easy to sit back, in the comfort of your own home, and take your time to second guess what a cop in that situation should have been able to decide in a split second. As they say, hindsight is 20/20.

 

[cwgannon]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: feelingshorter

Originally posted by: Proletariat
That looks like a f'in sweatshirt. I guess hes from the ghetto :roll:

THESE COPS ARE GARBAGE. ANYONE WHO SUPPORTS THEIR ACTIONS is just.... This is just f'in despicable. UGH. Time to listen to some RATM before a I burst a vein.

after two bombings, and some guy runs from the police...well then you get shot, stupidity = death. WHY would you run if you do not have anything to hide? If you were stopped by the police would you run? Plus im asian and i think the guy should have just followed their directions if he was innocent.

Don't bring up the circumstances around this case. It will be deflected as if it doesn't even matter. The righteous ones will point fingers at the man, because it's clearly obvious that a guy coming from a house suspected to be a residence of one of the bombers who then ran from the cops, jumped a security barrier, and ran onto a train, was completely innocent.

And if he had been a bomber, they didn't shoot him, and he subsequently blew himself, the cops, and other inocent people on that train up up, the very same whiners would have questioned why they didn't just shoot the guy in the first place.

Sucks to be a cop, doesn't it?

If these plain-clothes policemen had reason to believe that he, coming from an under-surveillance residence, was even maybe, remotely, possibly heading for a public place with a bomb, hidden under a winter coat, strapped to him, wouldn't they have arrested him immediately?

Of course they would have; it goes without saying.

As we know, though, they did nothing of the sort. They merely followed him.

The man running is all that changed between him leaving the house and him nearing the subway.

So, was it wrong for him to run?

Considering that they were plain-clothes policemen, the answer is no; perhaps they shouted something about Scotland Yard or whatnot, but no reasonable person is going to stop on a city street to wait for three seemingly crazy men to approach him and have a conversation.

So, yes, if we do put all the circumstances together, none of this makes any sense.

The cops fvcked up--end of story.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: feelingshorter

Originally posted by: Proletariat
That looks like a f'in sweatshirt. I guess hes from the ghetto :roll:

THESE COPS ARE GARBAGE. ANYONE WHO SUPPORTS THEIR ACTIONS is just.... This is just f'in despicable. UGH. Time to listen to some RATM before a I burst a vein.

after two bombings, and some guy runs from the police...well then you get shot, stupidity = death. WHY would you run if you do not have anything to hide? If you were stopped by the police would you run? Plus im asian and i think the guy should have just followed their directions if he was innocent.

Don't bring up the circumstances around this case. It will be deflected as if it doesn't even matter. The righteous ones will point fingers at the man, because it's clearly obvious that a guy coming from a house suspected to be a residence of one of the bombers who then ran from the cops, jumped a security barrier, and ran onto a train, was completely innocent.

And if he had been a bomber, they didn't shoot him, and he subsequently blew himself, the cops, and other inocent people on that train up up, the very same whiners would have questioned why they didn't just shoot the guy in the first place.

Sucks to be a cop, doesn't it?

Other than his belligerent tone, I agree with Chicken. While "a guy coming from a house suspected to be a residence of one of the bombers who then ran from the cops, jumped a security barrier, and ran onto a train" may well have been innocent, he was also (terminally) stupid under the circumstances. The police have a responsibility to protect the public. Given the spate of recent bombings, the London police really had no choice but to assume the man was a threat. To do otherwise would be irresponsible. Yes, if the guy was innocent, it's a tragedy that he was killed. Unfortunately, it was necessary to prevent an even greater tragedy. By behaving the way he did, the man foolishly put his own life at risk. He paid the ultimate price for his foolishness.

 

[fornax]

Bowfinger, if you read the witness reports, you'll see that the men that chased that poor Brazilian on the train were cops in civilian clothes. So he could have thought he was being chased by a gang.

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
And if he this . . . .

and if he that . . .

Pure speculation.

He was from Brazil, no bombs and unarmed

Maybe he didn't have His PAPERS !

rofl, reminds me of that indiana jones episode whree he throws the nazi out of the hindenburg and says the the bewildered people "NO TICKET!"

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: fornax
Bowfinger, if you read the witness reports, you'll see that the men that chased that poor Brazilian on the train were cops in civilian clothes. So he could have thought he was being chased by a gang.

I understand, and that's why it's so tragic. Nonetheless, I don't think the police had another choice under the circumstances. They had to act to eliminate what they reasonably believed could be a tremendous threat to the public. It sucks, but cops have to make tough, split-second decisions based on too-limited information.

 

[feelingshorter]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: feelingshorter

Originally posted by: Proletariat
That looks like a f'in sweatshirt. I guess hes from the ghetto :roll:

THESE COPS ARE GARBAGE. ANYONE WHO SUPPORTS THEIR ACTIONS is just.... This is just f'in despicable. UGH. Time to listen to some RATM before a I burst a vein.

after two bombings, and some guy runs from the police...well then you get shot, stupidity = death. WHY would you run if you do not have anything to hide? If you were stopped by the police would you run? Plus im asian and i think the guy should have just followed their directions if he was innocent.

I don't believe anything these police say now. First they said he was DEFINITELY linked. Now just today they totally backpedal and said he is completely unrelated and may be innocent. They also lied and said that he had a jacket on with wires sticking out.

BTW I really don't understand your comment about Asians - care to elaborate?

There is more racism in Europe than in America...that being said, the biggest population of Muslims are asians. If your an asian in say, France and the UK you WILL get the feeling you dont belong (or as others tell me as i never lived in the UK but my mom has relatives in France and thats the idea you get). So, being that a white guy shot him, someone might be pulling a race card, im just saying that the cop did the right thing and there should be no race card pulled as...

"He ran, they followed him. They say they gave him a warning, they then shot him.

"They brought in the air ambulance. They did everything they can to revive him. He died at the scene."

After two train bombings, and with three cops going after you, i would really stop running....unless theres a race issue here, but i think not. Just the tension of the situation, as i said, there was 2 bombings. People freaked out, what happened to us after 9/11? We had a hell lot of jets flying around watching for something that was already done. I believe the reason for 5 gun shots is that he might of had explosives on him and that he would of let it go off otherwise. But wether he had explosives on him or not, you dont run from a cop with a gun. I believe UK cops dont even carry guns routinely (or has that policy changed?) so its just the air of the situation after the bombings. He did a stupid thing. There is no doubt he ran though. And run he did, out of all the places, he ran on a freakin train, that must of sent shock waves of fear to the police, i would say both sides were wrong as you can argue it either way. It was an accident on both sides?

 

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: feelingshorter

Originally posted by: Proletariat
That looks like a f'in sweatshirt. I guess hes from the ghetto :roll:

THESE COPS ARE GARBAGE. ANYONE WHO SUPPORTS THEIR ACTIONS is just.... This is just f'in despicable. UGH. Time to listen to some RATM before a I burst a vein.

after two bombings, and some guy runs from the police...well then you get shot, stupidity = death. WHY would you run if you do not have anything to hide? If you were stopped by the police would you run? Plus im asian and i think the guy should have just followed their directions if he was innocent.

Don't bring up the circumstances around this case. It will be deflected as if it doesn't even matter. The righteous ones will point fingers at the man, because it's clearly obvious that a guy coming from a house suspected to be a residence of one of the bombers who then ran from the cops, jumped a security barrier, and ran onto a train, was completely innocent.

And if he had been a bomber, they didn't shoot him, and he subsequently blew himself, the cops, and other inocent people on that train up up, the very same whiners would have questioned why they didn't just shoot the guy in the first place.

Sucks to be a cop, doesn't it?

Oh no! I agree. Yeah you can't win. Some liberals seem to despise cops and think they are all racist thugs attacking innocent colored people. I'm not one of them. It is pure stupiditiy to run from the cops and jump into a train. If he had a bomb, the same people whining would have blamed the cops for not doing anything and letting a terrorist blow people up. I have learned one thing in life. You do whatever the cops tell you to do.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife[/i]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: feelingshorter

Originally posted by: Proletariat
That looks like a f'in sweatshirt. I guess hes from the ghetto :roll:

THESE COPS ARE GARBAGE. ANYONE WHO SUPPORTS THEIR ACTIONS is just.... This is just f'in despicable. UGH. Time to listen to some RATM before a I burst a vein.

after two bombings, and some guy runs from the police...well then you get shot, stupidity = death. WHY would you run if you do not have anything to hide? If you were stopped by the police would you run? Plus im asian and i think the guy should have just followed their directions if he was innocent.

Don't bring up the circumstances around this case. It will be deflected as if it doesn't even matter. The righteous ones will point fingers at the man, because it's clearly obvious that a guy coming from a house suspected to be a residence of one of the bombers who then ran from the cops, jumped a security barrier, and ran onto a train, was completely innocent.

And if he had been a bomber, they didn't shoot him, and he subsequently blew himself, the cops, and other inocent people on that train up up, the very same whiners would have questioned why they didn't just shoot the guy in the first place.

Sucks to be a cop, doesn't it?

Oh no! I agree. Yeah you can't win. Some liberals seem to despise cops and think they are all racist thugs attacking innocent colored people. I'm not one of them. It is pure stupiditiy to run from the cops and jump into a train. If he had a bomb, the same people whining would have blamed the cops for not doing anything and letting a terrorist blow people up. I have learned one thing in life. You do whatever the cops tell you to do.[/quote]
GJ being a tool.

I'm glad people are using this incident to bring up the assumption that all liberals hate the cops. I never said I hate the cops - lets stop bringing up things that have nothing to do with this.

This incident is shady. Plain and simple. If you support the cops here you are my book very close to becoming a mindless tool.

Lets look at the facts here:

1) They followed him all the way from his apartment.

2) They never stopped him or even acknowledged their prescence.

3) They were in plain clothes and started shouting at him at the train station.

4) The facts originally given by the police department were wrong. In fact they did an entire 180 today.

5) They held him down to the ground and unloaded 5 shots into him.

Looks like the family is pissed as hell. They aren't even accepting the apology. I'm not too sure I would either.

Shooting victims kin: Sorry is not enough

You know whats worse than being a whiner Chicken man? Being a heartless apologist like yourself.

 

[BarneyFife]

So I'm supposed to believe that they grabbed him and held him down and shot him 5 times. Laughable.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
So I'm supposed to believe that they grabbed him and held him down and shot him 5 times. Laughable.

Uh read the CNN story. I didn't ask you to believe me.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
So I'm supposed to believe that they grabbed him and held him down and shot him 5 times. Laughable.

Read the freaking story. It is the same story everywhere. They chased the guy and he fell down and then the plain clothed cops pinned him to the ground and shot him 5 times in the chest and head. I don't think they even identified themselves though I ain't sure on that piece of item yet. Of course they did lie about him having wires coming out of his coat so who knows what else they lied about in their report.

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: Drift3r
Read the freaking story. It is the same story everywhere. They chased the guy and he fell down and then the plain clothed cops pinned him to the ground and shot him 5 times in the chest and head. I don't think they even identified themselves though I ain't sure on that piece of item yet. Of course they did lie about him having wires coming out of his coat so who knows what else they lied about in their report.

You might want to read the news story more closely next time. The report about the wires was from an eyewitness who want not with the police. They fired after bringing him to the ground because they believed he was suicide bomber, and just the flick of a switch on his body could detonate any bomb he was carrying into crowd of people in the area. They needed to make immediately sure he couldn't flick any switches and they had to use lethal force to do so.

 

[Drift3r]

So did they identify themselves ? If they did indeed identified themselves then it's just a tragic case. If they did not then it's man slaughter or whatever they have close to it in England.