Originally posted by: cwjerome
You are the poster child of the Daft Left. If there is such a thing as karma, I hope you're in a situation where you need one of those "pigs" in the worst way, and they are nowhere to be found...
This is exactly why the Libs have a bad name, because 9 times out of 10 their kneejerk reaction is to damn, whine about, and attack those whose job it is to lay their life on the line to deal with criminals and terrorists. P&N as a whole is a shining example of a group of people who can sit back and repeatedly lay tidal waves of accusations and insults to everyone EXCEPT the evil we face.
I admire the brave professionals who pursued this questionable idiot thinking that at any second he could detonate a bomb. And from where I stand, they were completely justified in taking him out. Every bit of evidence suggests this character was involved in a terror network, and I support the those Brits involved... people who were put in an incredibly chaotic situation and acted in defense of civilians.
You terrorist apologists favorite game of bashing those actually dealing with evil threats on the front line is a sick reminder to everyone the demented state of your psychology. You'll say nothing impuning the fcked-up bombers and their supporters, yet will unleash endless, revolting tirades about any failures, warts, or efforts by our governments to deal with and respond to the deranged b@stards.
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: Hafen
One way to get around that no-death penalty thing there. Too bad, he deserved a lot worse than that.
:disgust:
Here's a CCTV picture of the guy just before he was shot dead. Yeah, that looks like a 'winter coat' alright.
:disgust:
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2005/WORLD/europe/07/23/london.tube/story.cctv1.ap.jpg
LONDON, England (CNN) -- Police say the man they shot dead at a London Underground station "was not connected" with this week's attempted bombings on the city's transit system.
"For somebody to lose their life in such circumstances is a tragedy and one that the Metropolitan Police Service regrets," the police statement said Saturday.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07/23/london.tube/index.html
I doubt we'll see any repugs come in here and apologize. (COUGH *TLC, IMWINCUR, DBL, HAFEN* COUGH)
Don't you feel stupid now?
Here's a CCTV picture of the guy just before he was shot dead. Yeah, that looks like a 'winter coat' alright.
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2005/WORLD/europe/07/23/london.tube/story.cctv1.ap.jpg
quote:
LONDON, England (CNN) -- Police say the man they shot dead at a London Underground station was not connected with this week's attempted bombings on the city's transit system.
For somebody to lose their life in such circumstances is a tragedy and one that the Metropolitan Police Service regrets, the police statement said Saturday.
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Originally posted by: Hafen
Darwin Award anyone?
Damn crappy situation, but for a guy (non-white at that...) to be running away from the police, into and through a tube station the day after a second round of suicide bombings were attempted, was the height of stupidity.
Put it into context; suicide bombers had failed to blow themselves up the day before, knew they were caught on security cameras and left tons of evidence behind, it was reasonable for the police to think these guys would try to attack again and kill themselves before they were caught by the police. It certainly was what I was thinking. Acoording to the BBC:
1: Jean Charles de Menezes leaves a house under surveillance and arrives at Stockwell station
2: Witnesses say he vaults the automatic ticket barriers and heads for the platforms
3: He then ran down an escalator after being approached by up to 20 plain-clothed police officers and tried to board a train
4: He apparently refuses to obey police instructions and after running onto a northbound Northern line train, he is shot dead
Now, the're tailing a guy they think was involved, he manages blow past security and run into the subways (a police huge error, but ultimately irrevelent) and refuses to heed commands to stop? Shoot the idiot before he has a change to possibly kill many, many people. Put yourself it that situation, what would you have done if you were the cops? Imagine you are one of those standing in the train, seeing some guy bolting for your train with screaming police in tow? What if he is a bomber? Will the police stop him before he gets to you and kills you all?
If he was who they thought, they all would have been heroes. Now they are all villains?
Originally posted by: Hafen
DON'T PM ME WITH YOUR CRAP. IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, LEAVE IT IN THE FORUMS. NEXT TIME YOU WILL BE REPORTED TO THE MODS
Originally posted by: Hafen
Darwin Award anyone?
Damn crappy situation, but for a guy (non-white at that...) to be running away from the police, into and through a tube station the day after a second round of suicide bombings were attempted, was the height of stupidity.
Put it into context; suicide bombers had failed to blow themselves up the day before, knew they were caught on security cameras and left tons of evidence behind, it was reasonable for the police to think these guys would try to attack again and kill themselves before they were caught by the police. It certainly was what I was thinking. Acoording to the BBC:
1: Jean Charles de Menezes leaves a house under surveillance and arrives at Stockwell station
2: Witnesses say he vaults the automatic ticket barriers and heads for the platforms
3: He then ran down an escalator after being approached by up to 20 plain-clothed police officers and tried to board a train
4: He apparently refuses to obey police instructions and after running onto a northbound Northern line train, he is shot dead
Now, the're tailing a guy they think was involved, he manages blow past security and run into the subways (a police huge error, but ultimately irrevelent) and refuses to heed commands to stop? Shoot the idiot before he has a change to possibly kill many, many people. Put yourself it that situation, what would you have done if you were the cops? Imagine you are one of those standing in the train, seeing some guy bolting for your train with screaming police in tow? What if he is a bomber? Will the police stop him before he gets to you and kills you all?
If he was who they thought, they all would have been heroes. Now they are all villains?
Originally posted by: arsbanned
And you, Mr. Dumas, are what give the neocons a bad name. As if your rhetoric isn't completely over-the-top.
They were NOT justified in taking him out. He was innocent and had nothing whatsoever to do with those bombings. It was a mistake and they have apologized. They are not saying there was justification for murdering the guy. Only wacknuts like you are.
Originally posted by: Duckzilla
Originally posted by: Hafen
Darwin Award anyone?
Damn crappy situation, but for a guy (non-white at that...) to be running away from the police, into and through a tube station the day after a second round of suicide bombings were attempted, was the height of stupidity.
Put it into context; suicide bombers had failed to blow themselves up the day before, knew they were caught on security cameras and left tons of evidence behind, it was reasonable for the police to think these guys would try to attack again and kill themselves before they were caught by the police. It certainly was what I was thinking. Acoording to the BBC:
1: Jean Charles de Menezes leaves a house under surveillance and arrives at Stockwell station
2: Witnesses say he vaults the automatic ticket barriers and heads for the platforms
3: He then ran down an escalator after being approached by up to 20 plain-clothed police officers and tried to board a train
4: He apparently refuses to obey police instructions and after running onto a northbound Northern line train, he is shot dead
Now, the're tailing a guy they think was involved, he manages blow past security and run into the subways (a police huge error, but ultimately irrevelent) and refuses to heed commands to stop? Shoot the idiot before he has a change to possibly kill many, many people. Put yourself it that situation, what would you have done if you were the cops? Imagine you are one of those standing in the train, seeing some guy bolting for your train with screaming police in tow? What if he is a bomber? Will the police stop him before he gets to you and kills you all?
If he was who they thought, they all would have been heroes. Now they are all villains?
I think you have summed up the situation quite nicely. This is how rational people see it.
Originally posted by: Duckzilla
Originally posted by: Hafen
Darwin Award anyone?
Damn crappy situation, but for a guy (non-white at that...) to be running away from the police, into and through a tube station the day after a second round of suicide bombings were attempted, was the height of stupidity.
Put it into context; suicide bombers had failed to blow themselves up the day before, knew they were caught on security cameras and left tons of evidence behind, it was reasonable for the police to think these guys would try to attack again and kill themselves before they were caught by the police. It certainly was what I was thinking. Acoording to the BBC:
1: Jean Charles de Menezes leaves a house under surveillance and arrives at Stockwell station
2: Witnesses say he vaults the automatic ticket barriers and heads for the platforms
3: He then ran down an escalator after being approached by up to 20 plain-clothed police officers and tried to board a train
4: He apparently refuses to obey police instructions and after running onto a northbound Northern line train, he is shot dead
Now, the're tailing a guy they think was involved, he manages blow past security and run into the subways (a police huge error, but ultimately irrevelent) and refuses to heed commands to stop? Shoot the idiot before he has a change to possibly kill many, many people. Put yourself it that situation, what would you have done if you were the cops? Imagine you are one of those standing in the train, seeing some guy bolting for your train with screaming police in tow? What if he is a bomber? Will the police stop him before he gets to you and kills you all?
If he was who they thought, they all would have been heroes. Now they are all villains?
I think you have summed up the situation quite nicely. This is how rational people see it.
Originally posted by: boran
So the moral of the story is, never wear anything not fitting to the wheater, stay in line, dont stand out of the crowd, never run away from armed men (whom might or might not be police men)
imho every single person here saying that the police was right to shoot him with the current data is a fascist. I ask to them the question, should we shoot everyone who is wearing a raincoat and backpack ? because that is what you guys say. and imho running away from armed people is a quite natural and instinctive reaction, even when they're cops, shooting this guy was in no way justified. if they had him under surveilance they could at least have found out the things they have found out now (no connection to the bombers, no terrorist) and acted differently.
Originally posted by: cwjerome
Originally posted by: arsbanned
And you, Mr. Dumas, are what give the neocons a bad name. As if your rhetoric isn't completely over-the-top.
They were NOT justified in taking him out. He was innocent and had nothing whatsoever to do with those bombings. It was a mistake and they have apologized. They are not saying there was justification for murdering the guy. Only wacknuts like you are.
What exactly is over the top? That I stand by the London authorities? That's reeeeally out there :roll:
I will say that my post wasn't properly worded, in that I was speaking about what the officials thought was happening (with good reason), and I was not basing it on what we now know. Yes, it seems he was "innocent."
I do not think they have apologized. It WAS regretable and they should take responsibility, but I -along with them- believe it was justifiable. There were doing their job, and I don't fault them based on the evidence. Some of you bleeding hearts want to talk about police "pigs" as if they are deprave thugs who relish in murdering innocent people and use this as an opportunity to make your anti-Bush/Blair points, but judged in context, this episode was totally unfortunate but entirely understandable- to a serious thinking person that is...
Sounds like an apology to me. You must define apologies differently. Whatever."We are all desperately sorry for the death of an innocent person and I understand entirely the feelings of the young man's family," Blair told a press conference.
Originally posted by: Deudalus
I still can't see how this is really breaking news to be honest.
People in America are shot every single day for running from the cops. If you run from the cops and they have reason to believe you are armed and dangerous they can shoot to kill at any time here in the states.
Why should we expect any less from a country that was just bombed?
I'm sorry but if you are wearing a heavy coat in July, running from a cops, doing your best to get ONTO a subway car which is obviously the terrorists first choice to blow up, then you deserve what you get.
Originally posted by: Proletariat
I hope they do a full investigation... if this guy was a criminal and had a criminal record this whole thing can be taken in a different light. But if he was a law-abiding young guy as his family says this is very suspicious.