Man .... those G5s

[fredtam]

I'm so glad you brought up the Porsche. It too is definately a finely crafted machine. It has four doors, an engine, lights and all that other high quality stuff and you even get to pay an extra 20-50k more for it. And man is it fast. You can get up to 75 on the interstate all while displaying the glaring fact that you have too much money to waste, you are having a mid-life crisis or you just have a small d***. I could easily afford a G5 but for some reason cannot justify paying that much for something that will look like everyone elses finely crafted machine while providing me with a performance ceiling that 9 out of 10 applications can't take advantage.

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: fredtam
I'm so glad you brought up the Porsche. It too is definately a finely crafted machine. It has four doors, an engine, lights and all that other high quality stuff and you even get to pay an extra 20-50k more for it. And man is it fast. You can get up to 75 on the interstate all while displaying the glaring fact that you have too much money to waste, you are having a mid-life crisis or you just have a small d***. I could easily afford a G5 but for some reason cannot justify paying that much for something that will look like everyone elses finely crafted machine while providing me with a performance ceiling that 9 out of 10 applications can't take advantage.

I think most people with decent jobs could afford a Mac, I know I can, but like you, I can't justify it.
Doesn't change the fact that I'd love to have one, for anything except gaming I'd trade my x86 for a G5 anyday, even with the price difference.

It's somewhat fascinating seeing how many people can't tell the difference between "Not right for me" and "Sucks".
A Mac isn't right for me, since I do enjoy gaming quite a bit, and keeping both an x86 and a Mac around seems overkill, and consoles aren't right me either.
Doesn't mean Macs suck though, just means they aren't right for me right now.

 

[Regs]

Perfection? Ha. I just thought that was funny since I just got done reading a few posts about how MAC's customer support is horrible. As well as a person getting his 800 dollar LCD screen with a few dead pixels in the center of it. Not to mention a blue screen of death on the first time loading up OS X.

If you are paying 3 grand, then it better damn well beat a 2,000 dollar PC in performance and cosmetics. I don't really give a damn what the PC looks like inside the case just as long as it's not restricting air flow.

I'm surprised all the false advertisement and clueless sales rep's didn't clue you in how over rated this set up is. 3 grand goes a long way, this computer does not.

Need more info just search the forums using the term "G5" or "Mac" . Then you will understand why MAC is only a very small percentage of the market.

 

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by: Regs
Perfection? Ha. I just thought that was funny since I just got done reading a few posts about how MAC's customer support is horrible. As well as a person getting his 800 dollar LCD screen with a few dead pixels in the center of it. Not to mention a blue screen of death on the first time loading up OS X.

If you are paying 3 grand, then it better damn well beat a 2,000 dollar PC in performance and cosmetics. I don't really give a damn what the PC looks like inside the case just as long as it's not restricting air flow.

I'm surprised all the false advertisement and clueless sales rep's didn't clue you in how over rated this set up is. 3 grand goes a long way, this computer does not.

Need more info just search the forums using the term "G5" or "Mac" . Then you will understand why MAC is only a very small percentage of the market.

Going by that logic PC's must be the most horrible, unreliable things every created. Just look at all the posts of people having problems w/their PC...

People post problems on forums. If everyone whose machine (be it Mac or PC) was running fine posted "Hey, my rig is doing great" every day that they don't have a problem I'm sure this forum would get really homogeneous really fast.


Lethal

 

[nanyangview]

does the mac case have air filter? if not it will be a very nice 3K air/dust filter for the house.

 

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by: nanyangview
does the mac case have air filter? if not it will be a very nice 3K air/dust filter for the house.

AFAIK it does not. That's the first thing I though about when I saw the case was, "boy, I hope that has a filter on the front 'cause it's gonna get a bit dusty."


Lethal

 

[Regs]

Lethal, he experienced this problem right out of the box with the first power up. When you buy a brand new car from the dealership, you don't expect a flat tire and a dead battery.

 

[benjamit]

Originally posted by: Samsonid
A) The rich man says: "I will buy a Rolex; as a tribute to superior quality, engineering, precision, choise of material, fit-finish, and aesthetic appeal"

B) The poor man says: "You are an *idiot*. A Rolex costs $4000 and it may last you a lifetime. But... I can get 33 ($120) Casios. Each Casio will last me about 7 years which means I will be wearing a watch for 231 years and it will be a new one every 7 years (so that I don't get bored).

I guess rich people are idiots?
But if they are idiots, then how come they are rich ?

rich people are rich because they dont spend their money on high end items

they have high income potential, save their money and limit their taxes (including sales taxes)

look this up if you dont believe me

 

[mosco]

Originally posted by: bjc112

Originally posted by: mosco
Or some of us have a pc for games, and a PowerMac for everything else. but i guess not everyone has that option.

You can do pretty much everything on a PC that a MAC can do and vica versa... So why would you need both?

Because i still like playing games, but i can't stand using the PC to surf the web or type up documents. I just don't like using windows when i don't have too, unless i want to play a game.

 

[Samsonid]

Originally posted by: DEATH

rich people are rich because they dont spend their money on high end items

they have high income potential, save their money and limit their taxes (including sales taxes)

look this up if you dont believe me

Then who is buying Rolexes, Porches, Aston Martins and 100ft luxury yachts with personal chefs ?

Why is there even a market for anything other than $15000 car ? My Toyota Corolla has lasted me 12 years and 180,000miles (and still going) but I see plenty of Lexus, Mercendes, Jaguars and big-arse $40,000 SUVs all over the place.


>they have high income potential, save their money and limit their taxes

You are talking about the "penny-pinchers" (from the "Millionaire next door")
People who make money but live like poor as if they never had any money in the first place....

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[fredtam]

Originally posted by: DEATH

Originally posted by: Samsonid
A) The rich man says: "I will buy a Rolex; as a tribute to superior quality, engineering, precision, choise of material, fit-finish, and aesthetic appeal"

B) The poor man says: "You are an *idiot*. A Rolex costs $4000 and it may last you a lifetime. But... I can get 33 ($120) Casios. Each Casio will last me about 7 years which means I will be wearing a watch for 231 years and it will be a new one every 7 years (so that I don't get bored).

I guess rich people are idiots?
But if they are idiots, then how come they are rich ?

rich people are rich because they dont spend their money on high end items

they have high income potential, save their money and limit their taxes (including sales taxes)

look this up if you dont believe me

Exactly. Having been around rich people most of my life I think you will find that most rich people who got that way by using their intelligence and not by inheritance/actor/athlete will not be wearing a Rolex. Most of them are cheap to a fault and you are most likely to find them driving a minivan/Accord and using whatever was on sale at Dell.

The MAC doesn't suck but it is overkill for anyone who wants it just because they can afford and knows a PC for half the price would do what they need. Then it just becomes a status symbol.

Most people opposing this statement would be talking about what overkill and a waste of money P4 3.2 watercooled/vapochill with a 5900 ultra and 2 gigs of 3500 would be.

 

[addragyn]

Originally posted by: Regs
Perfection? Ha. I just thought that was funny since I just got done reading a few posts about how MAC's customer support is horrible. As well as a person getting his 800 dollar LCD screen with a few dead pixels in the center of it. Not to mention a blue screen of death on the first time loading up OS X.

If you are paying 3 grand, then it better damn well beat a 2,000 dollar PC in performance and cosmetics. I don't really give a damn what the PC looks like inside the case just as long as it's not restricting air flow.

I'm surprised all the false advertisement and clueless sales rep's didn't clue you in how over rated this set up is. 3 grand goes a long way, this computer does not.

Need more info just search the forums using the term "G5" or "Mac" . Then you will understand why MAC is only a very small percentage of the market.

(I'm presuming you're simply innocent regarding the topic and not being trollful.)

MAC = Media Access Control
Mac, shortenend form of earlier Macintosh and currently middle nomer of the ternion - Power Mac G4/G5.

If you are looking for anecdote (On the internet no less!) there are also stories of the CEO of Apple getting involved and solving customer problems.

BSOD is particular to the vernacular of the MCSE. A fatal error in OS X is a kernel panic. And it's black.

I'm not sure of your definition of "a long way" but a 64 bit machine that can hold 8 GB, maybe even 16 if Apple tech docs are correct, of RAM that natively runs MS Office, Adobe Photoshop, Final Cut Pro, America's Army, Oracle 9i, Logic, Shake, and Apache all through a HW accelerated GUI at the speed a dual G5 will have for 3k is not wholly unremarkable.

Media Acess Control has 100% of the ethernet market.

 

[Samsonid]

I don't buy the arguments about "overkill" they simply do not pan-out.
We never loose by high engineering quality.
(Now precious metals is a different story, as they serve NO function what-so-ever)



Ok... I found a reason why I don't need a G5.

.... upgradeability ....

Not all components on a PC become obsolete simultaneously.
I can keep upgrading MoBo/CPU/Graphics every two years, being always in sync with performance requirements of the times. The rest of the components can be changed only as needed.

With Apple I have to throw it away and get a computer all over again (and pay all over again).


(Save the earth-- recycle). Now I feel a little better

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[addragyn]

Samsonid another side of that coin for the Mac users is that OS X has gotten faster and gained features with each release. Comments about the developer preview of Panther are *very* complimentary on the speedup. I wish more companies coded like this instead of going for feature(marketing) bloat with every release. e.g What the Inquirer addresses here.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: fredtam

Originally posted by: DEATH

Originally posted by: Samsonid
A) The rich man says: "I will buy a Rolex; as a tribute to superior quality, engineering, precision, choise of material, fit-finish, and aesthetic appeal"

B) The poor man says: "You are an *idiot*. A Rolex costs $4000 and it may last you a lifetime. But... I can get 33 ($120) Casios. Each Casio will last me about 7 years which means I will be wearing a watch for 231 years and it will be a new one every 7 years (so that I don't get bored).

I guess rich people are idiots?
But if they are idiots, then how come they are rich ?

rich people are rich because they dont spend their money on high end items

they have high income potential, save their money and limit their taxes (including sales taxes)

look this up if you dont believe me

Exactly. Having been around rich people most of my life I think you will find that most rich people who got that way by using their intelligence and not by inheritance/actor/athlete will not be wearing a Rolex. Most of them are cheap to a fault and you are most likely to find them driving a minivan/Accord and using whatever was on sale at Dell.

The MAC doesn't suck but it is overkill for anyone who wants it just because they can afford and knows a PC for half the price would do what they need. Then it just becomes a status symbol.

Most people opposing this statement would be talking about what overkill and a waste of money P4 3.2 watercooled/vapochill with a 5900 ultra and 2 gigs of 3500 would be.

Thatd slaughter a mac

 

[vash]

As many PCs as I have, I want a Mac. My first computer was an Apple ][+ with 32kb of RAM. This thing only had the larger floppies that needed a manual flip for some games. In order to find out what was on the disk, I needed to type "dir". To run an application, it was either "run xyz" or "brun xyz".

My computer roots started with an Apple, I want one back. My existing horde of PCs (5) is itching for a new, shiny friend. I'm doubtful I'll get a new G5, but more likely an SMP G4. That machine will then turn into my thrash machine, where it'll be dual booting OSX and Debian (or Gentoo).

WHY? Because I want something new. My PCs work, work well and do what I want, when I want. Apple hardware is new and want something else to mess with on a regular basis.

Anyone have any reports of how most linux distros are with PPC? I'd rather not go Yellow Dog, I'm more than likely going with Gentoo or Debian (probably Debian). The desktop performance of X is the real key of my decision and if PPC's optimizations make it more useable on the desktop, that'll be icing on the cake.

PPC vs x86 aside, I think we all can agree that Macs *can* accomplish a majority of computing needs. I won't give up my PC and I will upgrade my PC, but I've come to the point where my PC is stable and fast, but I want something *new*.

vash

 

[Samsonid]

Originally posted by: vash
.... but I've come to the point where my PC is stable and fast, but I want something *new*.

vash

You mean "something *different* ".
.... because you can always get a *new* PC you know

(why do you need 5 computers? save earth--recycle)

 

[vash]

You mean "something *different* ".
.... because you can always get a *new* PC you know

(why do you need 5 computers? save earth--recycle)

Different *can* be new and that's what I want. Getting another PC doesn't really yield me anything *new* at all. So, I install XP again, migrate my games. Maybe have *another* x86 linux box.. *yawn*. Decent Sun hardware is out of my reach, but PPC hardware is just within.

vash

 

[addragyn]

vash check out metapkg.org you might be suprised how the OSS community has embraced OS X.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: dkozloski
As Stroker McGurl used to say in Hot Rod magazine,"If it don't go chrome it". With a computer, who gives a damn what it looks like. When you click the mouse the whole world should jump. Style over substance is for the artsy touchy feely crowd.

"If it don't go, chrome it" -- Hehe... I remember that! Totally agree. I couldn't care what my box looks like as long as it's fast, stable, and does what I need. An Apple does NOT fit that.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: dkozloski
As Stroker McGurl used to say in Hot Rod magazine,"If it don't go chrome it". With a computer, who gives a damn what it looks like. When you click the mouse the whole world should jump. Style over substance is for the artsy touchy feely crowd.

OOPS! That was odd!

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: dkozloski
As Stroker McGurl used to say in Hot Rod magazine,"If it don't go chrome it". With a computer, who gives a damn what it looks like. When you click the mouse the whole world should jump. Style over substance is for the artsy touchy feely crowd.

OOPS! That was odd!

 

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: vash
Anyone have any reports of how most linux distros are with PPC? I'd rather not go Yellow Dog, I'm more than likely going with Gentoo or Debian (probably Debian). The desktop performance of X is the real key of my decision and if PPC's optimizations make it more useable on the desktop, that'll be icing on the cake.

Look here, Gentoo still likes PPC. This is their latest release, too.

 

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by: Regs
Lethal, he experienced this problem right out of the box with the first power up. When you buy a brand new car from the dealership, you don't expect a flat tire and a dead battery.

I'm assuming you are refering to the "don't buy APPLE" thread (I posted there too). My previous post was just to point out the flawed logic you were using. I was in no way saying he should accept what arrived on his doorstep. I even gave him some suggestions on different ways to attack the problem (as did a few other posters).

Samsonid

Ok... I found a reason why I don't need a G5.

.... upgradeability ....

Not all components on a PC become obsolete simultaneously.
I can keep upgrading MoBo/CPU/Graphics every two years, being always in sync with performance requirements of the times. The rest of the components can be changed only as needed.

With Apple I have to throw it away and get a computer all over again (and pay all over again).

The only thing you can't upgrade is the mobo. You can buy CPU upgrade cards to get yer clock speed up. Some, for older Macs, fit into PCI slots while others are brand new daugther cards (Newer Macs have their CPU's on daugther cards connected to the mobo). You can get single and dual proc upgrades as well. At work we have an ancient 9600 (welcome to 1997) that has a G4 500mhz upgrade card running OS 10.2 (thanx to some 3rd party software). Now, it's not a speed demon by any means but it's definetly fast enough to be usable. Anyway, I think this point is rather moot as you are forgetting your geekness. How many typical end users upgrade their mobo and proc? How man businesses upgrade by stripping down the computer down and replacing the mobo and proc?


Lethal

 

[RollWave]

Originally posted by: Lyfer
G5's do look damn nice, but so does a Viper GTS, .

Eh, the R/T10 looks better....I own one