Man .... those G5s

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: Samsonid

Originally posted by: mchammer187
it looks pretty good but with a $3000 budget I could do a lot better

By all means ... please do tell.

Ok.

Intel KHD3BASE450 Server Chassis SC5200 w/450W Power Supply Retail - $308
Lian-Li PC-7 -> $96
Antec TruPower 480W -> $87
ATi 9800 Pro -> $389
Supermicro X5DA8, Dual Channel Adaptec U320 SCSI, Integrated Intel Pro/1000+ NIC, 1 AGP 8X Pro110, 1x PCI-X 133Mhz, 2x PCI-X 100Mhz, 2x PCI -> $529
2x Xeon 2.8Ghz Retail -> $790
2x 512MB Crucial PC2700 ECC -> $224
Fujitsu MAS3184NP (18GB 15k) -> $187
WD WD2000JB -> $176
Plextor PX-708A (8x DVD+R, 4x DVD-R) -> $260
Audigy 2 Platinum -> $167
Logitech Cordless MX Duo -> $78
XP Pro -> $143

-> $3251

pcs have inherent temp zones, but no dividers to channel air flow to each. pc's also have primitive software fan control, yet aren't quaking in their boots about malicious coders

Why you want to divide your case temps up, I have no idea. But software fan control? No, its done at the hardware level.

 

[Pariah]

That Supermicro board won't fit in any Lian-Li case. The Athlon boards which are full ATX just barely squeeze in. Also, you need a 24 pin ATX12V PS for that board, so the TruePower 480 won't work. I believe there is a TruePower 550 12V. For x86 SMP on a budget, AMD is really the way to go.

i've had coolermaster heatsinks rated for 25db that sound louder then my 20db vantec stealths.

Hmmm... imagine that...

fanboy religious zeal must be what keeps alienware and falcon going eh?

You're right, but if you want a PC you aren't required to go that route. If you want Apple, that's all you get.

 

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: Pariah
That Supermicro board won't fit in any Lian-Li case. The Athlon boards which are full ATX just barely squeeze in. Also, you need a 24 pin ATX12V PS for that board, so the TruePower 480 won't work. I believe there is a TruePower 550 12V. For x86 SMP on a budget, AMD is really the way to go.

Thanks for the error, it was rather hasty cut/paste job. I updated it with an Intel server chasis with 450W PSU. To the best of my knowledge, it should fit everything (it was designed for a E7500). I've updated it. Surprisingly, the difference betwee your MP system and my Xeon system isnt that great of a difference. Its when you *dont* want the bells and whistles (SCSI, Gigabit LAN, etc), that the differences are striking. One other adv the Xeon has is the 133Mhz PCI-X and multiple 100Mhz PCI-X slots, something the G5 doesnt even have.

i've had coolermaster heatsinks rated for 25db that sound louder then my 20db vantec stealths.

Hmmm... imagine that...

I really can't; I'm sorry.

 

[0roo0roo]

what? you haven't seen contrast ratings from lcd manufactuers that don't reflect reality either?

and that was a typo. the stealths are louder then panaflos yet have the same or lower db rating. the coolermaster xdream at 25 db is louder then 30db rated fans.

 

[Pariah]

Surprisingly, the difference betwee your MP system and my Xeon system isnt that great of a difference. Its when you *dont* want the bells and whistles (SCSI, Gigabit LAN, etc), that the differences are striking.

If I drop the firewire 800 card, modem and 512MB RAM to match your Xeon system, the difference is about $500 which is nothing scoff at. Also, all my parts (SCSI/LAN) can come with me to my next system since they aren't all onboard which saves money down the road.

One other adv the Xeon has is the 133Mhz PCI-X and multiple 100Mhz PCI-X slots, something the G5 doesnt even have.

That's actually one thing the G5 does have, depending on the configuration. The lowest model has 3 vanilla PCI slots, though they are listed as 64bit in one spot on Apple's site. The 2 higher models have 1x133MHz PCI-X and 2x100MHz PCI-X. Apple's site says you can choose the configuration you want, but I don't see where though.

 

[fredtam]

Originally posted by: dexvx

Originally posted by: Pariah
That Supermicro board won't fit in any Lian-Li case. The Athlon boards which are full ATX just barely squeeze in. Also, you need a 24 pin ATX12V PS for that board, so the TruePower 480 won't work. I believe there is a TruePower 550 12V. For x86 SMP on a budget, AMD is really the way to go.

Thanks for the error, it was rather hasty cut/paste job. I updated it with an Intel server chasis with 450W PSU. To the best of my knowledge, it should fit everything (it was designed for a E7500). I've updated it. Surprisingly, the difference betwee your MP system and my Xeon system isnt that great of a difference. Its when you *dont* want the bells and whistles (SCSI, Gigabit LAN, etc), that the differences are striking. One other adv the Xeon has is the 133Mhz PCI-X and multiple 100Mhz PCI-X slots, something the G5 doesnt even have.

i've had coolermaster heatsinks rated for 25db that sound louder then my 20db vantec stealths.

Hmmm... imagine that...

I really can't; I'm sorry.

Come on. Surely you can imagine that 25db would be louder than 20db.

 

[Pariah]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
what? you haven't seen contrast ratings from lcd manufactuers that don't reflect reality either?

If you're referring to the fan comment I made. Read what you wrote again. You said the louder rated fan sounded louder. Where exactly is the surprise there?

 

[0roo0roo]

it was a typo brain flub, i was watching a dvd while typing.

the panaflos and vantecs have identical or lower ratings, yet, the panaflo sounds quieter. the ocolermaster xdream is rated at 25db, yet is far louder then any of my 30-35db fans.

 

[Pariah]

That's because there are a number of other variables that affect perceptible noise levels besides just dB's.

 

[walk2]

Mac hardware is superior because it is engineered top-to-bottom. Even PCs from Dell or HP can not compare.

Yes the G5 is a damn fine looking machine and faster than any Wintel machine to boot. It's just too damn bad it can't run the OS which the world has chosen by a wide margin (inferior or not).

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: walk2
Mac hardware is superior because it is engineered top-to-bottom. Even PCs from Dell or HP can not compare.

Yes the G5 is a damn fine looking machine and faster than any Wintel machine to boot. It's just too damn bad it can't run the OS which the world has chosen by a wide margin (inferior or not).

Its not faster than any Wintel machine, lets wait for some independent benchmarks. They suck ass for DCC and CAD/CAM. They really arent superior to PCs in anything, about equal when it comes to pro-audio, graphic design, etc. People will mention Final Cut Pro, but its not used as much in the professional world as Apple would try to lead you to believe.

Yes OSX is better than Windows in the majority of cases, but the fact remains, PCs have the options professionals need, Macs do not.

Would I buy a G5 if I had the money to after shelling out $$$ for my Workstation? Yes it would compliment it nicely, it could never come close to replacing it. Final Cut Pro is the best bang for the buck video editing software out their. Shake is quite good too.

 

[GonzoDaGr8]

Mac hardware is superior because it is engineered top-to-bottom. Even PCs from Dell or HP can not compare.

Uh, Where do you get this "Superior Hardware" thing..Take a look inside and you will find off-the-shelf hardware(Optical drives, HDD, Vid cards, Zip Drives, etc.) all strapped onto an mainboard of unknown origin. True, case layout is better, But not neccesarily easier to work on. Older Macs' with thier SCSI hardware and all were better than PC's at that time, But not now.

Yes the G5 is a damn fine looking machine and faster than any Wintel machine to boot.

And do you have any first-hand knowledge of this or you going by comercials and synthetic benchmarks?

 

[fredtam]

And to think all this started by a guy saying he could not build a $3000 PC that would look as good as the G5.

Interesting read written by a Mac user with simplified math and charts for the lazy.

Seems the Dual Opteron and Xeon systems that have been configured in this thread to compare with the G5 are overkill. Although I would like to see independent benchmarks I'm pretty sure my system would easily keep up with the G5.

 

[Erasmus-X]

First 64bit computing? Hardly. The initial release of MacOS dont even support 64bit, as claimed by the CEO of Apple himself. The first 64bit systems marketted for home use were the DEC Alphas back in 1997. They failed.

Home use??? The DEC Alpha was a totally different market geared towards business/professional workstations. They ran UNIX and NT4....not exactly the kind of OSes that average consumers ran at home. The G5 however, is "sort of" the first 64-bit platform that is marketed to several user bases. But yes, it's expensive and not yet available.

 

[Samsonid]

Hello Pariah and dexvx,

Wow, very interesting configurations !
Thanks for sharing.

Pariah, any reason why you didn't choose the Tyan dual Opteron Mobo (versus the MSI k7D) ?
Any reason why you chose AthlonMP over the Opteron?
(do you *have* to use the LianLi case?)


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[jswjimmy]

the g 5 sux get over it

 

[fredtam]

Originally posted by: jswjimmy
the g 5 sux get over it

athlon xp1800 @ 1.61 gigz@140fsb , 256 mb of pc 133 ram, geforce 2 200mx (175mgz), pcmark cpu-4515 memory 2233 harddrive 1116?
?
?

 

[GonzoDaGr8]

Originally posted by: jswjimmy
the g 5 sux get over it

Now there's a thread-productive comment.

 

[SpeedFreak03]

the g 5 sux get over it

256 mb of pc 133 ram

your one to talk...

 

[addragyn]

I think the term for that is playa hatin!

 

[Pariah]

Pariah, any reason why you didn't choose the Tyan dual Opteron Mobo (versus the MSI k7D) ?

Because like the dual 2GHz G5, it's not available for sale yet. No price has been announced either which creates a problem when pricing a system.

Any reason why you chose AthlonMP over the Opteron?

No one uses Opterons for a home system. The motherboards are mostly extended ATX which require special cases and non-standard ATX 12V PS's. Most don't have AGP slots, there are no 64bit Windows versions for it, and so forth. They just aren't a good option for home use.

(do you *have* to use the LianLi case?)

I don't get it. Is that rhetorical?

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: fredtam

Originally posted by: jswjimmy
the g 5 sux get over it

athlon xp1800 @ 1.61 gigz@140fsb , 256 mb of pc 133 ram, geforce 2 200mx (175mgz), pcmark cpu-4515 memory 2233 harddrive 1116?
?
?

i know.. that system is just sad.

 

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: Pariah

Surprisingly, the difference betwee your MP system and my Xeon system isnt that great of a difference. Its when you *dont* want the bells and whistles (SCSI, Gigabit LAN, etc), that the differences are striking.

If I drop the firewire 800 card, modem and 512MB RAM to match your Xeon system, the difference is about $500 which is nothing scoff at. Also, all my parts (SCSI/LAN) can come with me to my next system since they aren't all onboard which saves money down the road.

Its the arguement as to whether onboard is good or not, personally I would perfer it in certain applications and not in others. However, you aren't giving the Xeons much credit. Your NIC is superior, have a HW 56K modem, 512MB more memory. The Xeon has PCI-X slots (3), AGP Pro110 slot, a superior case and PSU, U320 SCSI versus U160, and a superior board OEM (Supermicro vs MSI).

 

[fredtam]

Can someone tell me what application could use 8gigs of ram or 4 for that matter. They are now shipping and it is an option for$4950.

 

[Jeff7181]

Or you could spend 5 bucks on a cheese grater, take a picture of it with a 5 MP camera... print it out and tape it to the front of your PC case and viola! You have a G5 case!