Discussion Man Tracks Down His Stolen Truck, Kills Alleged Thief In Gunfight Outside Mall

[cytg111]

Or the ol' Axel Foley banana-in-the-tailpipe

Or this. And when he goes out to see what the f, that's when you shoot him in the head...
- Its all about orchestrating that theatre.

 

[feralkid]

The hell it doesn't...we're WAY too soft on crime in this country.

(this coming from someone with a lengthy felony record)

The thief wasn't killed because he stole the truck...he was killed because he shot the truck's owner who was trying to retrieve his vehicle and restrain the thief for the cops.

Suspected thief.

 

[eelw]

The defense of the victim is why the rest of the world ranks ‘MURICA lower than even shithole countries.

 

[Indus]

Couldn't you have posted this is your other thread?

Old Thread, New Title: Maybe dems should focus on getting tough on crime vs relying on karma!!!!

Elderly driver in Jeep Tbones stolen Hyundai. Good ad for the Jeep - the elderly driver suffered only minor injures. (I might have to look into buying Jeeps next time around) As for the stolen Hyundai.. mangled, 2 thieves dead, 1 critical in hospital and dunno about the other 2. Funny how...

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Unrelated.

This is Texas. Other thread is about NY.




The only slight similarity being the sentiment if the politicians and police are soft on crime, take too long to do something, people will protect their property with extreme prejudice.

we're WAY too soft on crime in this country.

(this coming from someone with a lengthy felony record)

And that's the general feeling amongst even hardcore dems here.. in super liberal NYC.

 

[akugami]

Lies.

The thief was killed for his attempt to shoot and kill the owner.
That is absolutely justifiable self defense on the owner's part.

Did he HAVE to get into that situation? No.
Did he have every right to confront the thief? Yes.
Responsibility is on the thief for escalating it to a shootout.

And you blame the victim, who is the owner.

So you KNOW for a fact the guy driving the truck stole it? It couldn't have been someone else that stole it, and let him borrow it?

 

[cytg111]

So you KNOW for a fact the guy driving the truck stole it? It couldn't have been someone else that stole it, and let him borrow it?

Nope but if it was your truck, what are you gonna do?

 

[akugami]

The hell it doesn't...we're WAY too soft on crime in this country.

(this coming from someone with a lengthy felony record)

The thief wasn't killed because he stole the truck...he was killed because he shot the truck's owner who was trying to retrieve his vehicle and restrain the thief for the cops.

I also believe this country is too soft on crime.

But this just smacks too much of vigilante justice. And we're not even sure the suspect is actually the criminal. Lock the guy up for 10 years if he really stole the car.

 

[akugami]

@cytg111

I don't have a perfect answer for you.

It's a complex set of social economical factors that contribute to someone wanting to steal stuff. And some people are just screwed up that they can't be helped.

I'd be pissed if someone stole my truck. I don't own one, but I regularly borrow my dad's pickup and he paid $70k for it. I know I'd be livid. But I just can't help but feel this is vigilante justice at work.

And as a note, I am for stricter measures against crime. This nation is too soft on crime in many areas. But you have to balance it out with actions to promote healthier living conditions for those living in poverty. Give people the ability to make a living wage.

I am also not anti-gun. Hell, the missus has asked me to get another gun. I got rid of mine when the missus and I first had kids. I do believe in restricting gun access, so gun owners must obtain gun safety training as well as pass a background check.

 

[HomerJS]

Anyone cheering this guy thought of the possibility small kids being hit?

Still think public shootout warranted over a car?

 

[Indus]

So you KNOW for a fact the guy driving the truck stole it? It couldn't have been someone else that stole it, and let him borrow it?

If he didn't steal it, he'd be happy to wait for the police to clear things up.. but clearly he wanted to shoot his way out of it and endanger his own life and his girlfriends.

Overall, what difference does it make since he initiated the shootout.

 

[kage69]

If the thief hadn't attempted to add murder to the theft, I imagine he'd still be alive, just in jail. Truck owner tried to secure his property without deadly force, but someone thought a truck was worth more than life and started shooting. At that point you do what you need to do to not die, Texas or anywhere else. I don't like citizens playing cops, but I do think it's important to note that the gunfire wasn't initiated by the truck owner. Remember, if it comes down to you or them - send flowers.

Ideally the guy should have maintained surveillance on his truck, routed cops to his location and let them handle it. Maybe he did and was tired of waiting? I feel like more details are needed but ultimately this kind of thing shouldn't result in someone getting killed. That thief could have been a good guy, maybe a dad to someone, maybe was going through times hard enough to compel him to steal vehicles. No getting back to a better place in life now though, whereas trucks can be recovered or replaced. I hope all the rednecks rejoicing over this story eventually come to understand that, though I admit it's unlikely. This kind of act makes you a celebrity in the South, has for a long time.

 

[eelw]

What more details are needed? Some here say he's making a citizen arrest. Others he's being a vigilante. Yes the thief shot first, but only because the truck owner already escalated the matter. Self defense isn't when you started the encounter. In a civilized society, he'd be charged for manslaughter. Sadly because he's in Texas, he's being proclaimed a hero. A hero of idiots.

 

[kage69]

I also believe this country is too soft on crime.

Hrmm. You should specify white collar crime, otherwise your opinion looks severely out of touch with the relevant data going back many years. America isn't soft on crime. We delight in it allowing us to maintain an astronomical (and lucrative) incarceration rate. Highest in the world and it's not even close.

Doesn't look soft to me.

 

[BoomerD]

I also believe this country is too soft on crime.

But this just smacks too much of vigilante justice. And we're not even sure the suspect is actually the criminal. Lock the guy up for 10 years if he really stole the car.

That's probably what would have happened if he had just waited for the cops...but instead, he shot the truck owner...turning the attempt to detain him i to a self-defense gunfight.

 

[BoomerD]

Anyone cheering this guy thought of the possibility small kids being hit?

Still think public shootout warranted over a car?

Then the thief shouldn't have started the gunfight.

 

[K1052]

When I think about this I think "Would I like to risk being killed trying to retrieve my fully insured vehicle or possibly have to use lethal force against the suspected thief?".

The answer to both of these questions is a resounding no unless I left something very important in the vehicle like say the Holy Grail or a Rembrandt.

 

[hal2kilo]

When I think about this I think "Would I like to risk being killed trying to retrieve my fully insured vehicle or possibly have to use lethal force against the suspected thief?".

The answer to both of these questions is a resounding no unless I left something very important in the vehicle like say the Holy Grail or a Rembrandt.

Or whatever glowed in the briefcase, in the Pulp Fiction movie.

 

[Indus]

What more details are needed? Some here say he's making a citizen arrest. Others he's being a vigilante. Yes the thief shot first, but only because the truck owner already escalated the matter. Self defense isn't when you started the encounter. In a civilized society, he'd be charged for manslaughter. Sadly because he's in Texas, he's being proclaimed a hero. A hero of idiots.

I don't see that argument working in court.

Hrmm. You should specify white collar crime, otherwise your opinion looks severely out of touch with the relevant data going back many years. America isn't soft on crime. We delight in it allowing us to maintain an astronomical (and lucrative) incarceration rate. Highest in the world and it's not even close.

Doesn't look soft to me.

Nowhere good enough.. we need to do better.. way better. Lotsa crazies around.

 

[Leeea]

Nope but if it was your truck, what are you gonna do?

call the authorities?

live in a place that adequately funds said authorities so the response time is timely and the situation is dealt with safely and professionally?

 

[cytg111]

call the authorities?

live in a place that adequately funds said authorities so the response time is timely and the situation is dealt with safely and professionally?

I am sure he did that though. Would you just stand there as they came back and would drive away with your vehicle? Or would you do something? Suppose you were carrying and you know there is a high probability he was too.
Unless one is made of money I think most people would act. America has chosen that guns is a factor in every confrontation so it is what it is. IMO.

 

[Drach]

As I get older I realize the gift of life.
No one needed to die or be maimed over this .
Just call the cops and let them deal with this. No one needed to die or get shot.
All we have here is escalation that ended up in terrible consequences.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

GTA 5 taught me it do be like that.

Let me paint you a different picture than the one being repeatedly painted in this thread. You let him steal the truck and report it stolen. The cops see him in traffic, run the tags, go for the arrest. The perp, you know the guy that pulled a gun and shot the owner, yeah, that guy. Makes different but equally reckless decisions, a police chase ensues. He plows through a car carrying kids to their soccer game. (since some of you have already played the "won't someone please think of the children!" card) Or a pregnant woman. Or he plows through multiple vehicles injuring or even killing multiple victims. Or he shoots some of the cops, other motorist, pedestrians. The list goes on. We are playing what if? and the list of answers to that question are nearly endless.

The potential for chaos and carnage isn't constrained to the scenario that played out, and what could have gone wrong but didn't. Until the laws change, what the guy did was kosher. You don't have to like or agree with it. My contention is that failure to consider the alternative of allowing the police you pay taxes for to handle it, could have had even worse results. Making any what if? argument silly IMO.

As to the dumbass questions about how do you know he was even the guy that stole the truck? Who gives a shit. He was guy willing to shoot and kill the owner instead of waiting for LEOs and working it out that way.

And come at me however you want in response. I am not budging from my position and neither are you. Ain't P&N grand?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

As I get older I realize the gift of life.
No one needed to die or be maimed over this .
Just call the cops and let them deal with this. No one needed to die or get shot.
All we have here is escalation that ended up in terrible consequences.

Yeah bro. Police never end up with carnage and chaos over an armed car thief.

 

[Drach]

Yeah bro. Police never end up with carnage and chaos over an armed car thief.

Feel free to eat a dick.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Feel free to eat a dick.

Are you grass fed?