Discussion Man Tracks Down His Stolen Truck, Kills Alleged Thief In Gunfight Outside Mall

[Pens1566]

Must be nice to have so much money as to not give a shit about losing your car.

The other options have been pointed out. You choose to ignore them in favor of a John Wick fantasy being the only/best option, which it wasn't.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

For the record, most people on this thread felt opposite of this recently where another person put themselves in a stupid situation and killed someone out of 'self defense'.

 

[mindless1]

Yeah I fail to see the justification the apologists are using. He escalated the matter by holding the guy and GF at gunpoint.

Let’s pretend it was only a road rage situation. The thief cut off the victim. The guy gets angry and chases him down to confront him. Now who’s in the wrong in this situation? Let me guess, the good guy with a gun 🙄

We could just as easily say the thief should expect the act of stealing a vehicle to be escalated, one way or the other.

If we pretend it's a road rage situation, then equally so, both parties are responsible for what they did in violation of the law, it's not as though there always had to be one party completely innocent and the other guilty of everything that transpired.

In the road rage situation, depends on what can be proven. If everything can be proven then thief is guilty of a moving violation for cutting off victim. Victim is guilty of moving violations and those associated with road rage to chase him down. Both did something wrong.

You can detain someone with a citizen's arrest but you might also be found guilty of kidnapping. Many don't realize that you don't have to haul someone off to a location for that charge, only hold them against their will.

So the aggressor might be guilty of that except the theft or possession of a stolen vehicle likely makes it a felony (IDK TX laws).

Ultimately everyone was responsible for their actions but once the victim shoots, there is a right to defend oneself. Likewise if the truck owner had shot the victim first, the victim could claim self defense to shoot back - "maybe", again IDK TX law.

Either way it's common sense if nothing else. Doesn't matter what "escalated" but instead exactly what the response was.

Suppose I walk up to you and say something terrible, a crude insult. I escalated the situation, now are you allowed to shoot me? No, and if you do so and I have a gun too, what am I going to do? You guessed it.

On the other hand, in some states the truck owner might be found guilty of manslaughter. We have been told details of what happened, making assumptions which is not quite the same as evidence and testimony in court.

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

Must be nice to have so much money as to not give a shit about losing your car.

There's a huge gap between not giving a shit and acting out Dirty Harry cosplay putting yourself and others at risk.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

The other options have been pointed out. You choose to ignore them in favor of a John Wick fantasy being the only/best option, which it wasn't.

LOL you seriously upvoted a post saying to siphon out the gas or pop the tires of the truck when the thief is inside of it?

 

[SteveGrabowski]

He didn't lose his car, he knew exactly where it was. He shot a guy when he didn't have to had he dealt with the situation differently.

And maybe the thief goes to a chop shop in an hour and the truck is gone forever if the owner doesn't take possession back right then. Don't know what kind of Leave it to Beaver area you live in where the cops are there in two minutes when you report a crime but southside San Antonio isn't one of them.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

LOL you seriously upvoted a post saying to siphon out the gas or pop the tires of the truck when the thief is inside of it?

Not necessary to do it while he's in the car, jesus.

And maybe the thief goes to a chop shop in an hour and the truck is gone forever if the owner doesn't take possession back right then. Don't know what kind of Leave it to Beaver area you live in where the cops are there in two minutes when you report a crime but southside San Antonio isn't one of them.

Do a lot of car thieves hit up chop shops with their girlfriends?

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Not necessary to do it while he's in the car, jesus.

I know you so badly wanted this to be a case of owner finds truck in parking lot, waits for thief to come out of the mall so he can pull his gun on him and shoot him down and jumped to that conclusion but that wasn't the case. He found the truck with the loser in it.

 

[eelw]

Suppose I walk up to you and say something terrible, a crude insult. I escalated the situation, now are you allowed to shoot me? No, and if you do so and I have a gun too, what am I going to do? You guessed it.

No worries, I don't live in a shithole country.

 

[Pens1566]

LOL you seriously upvoted a post saying to siphon out the gas or pop the tires of the truck when the thief is inside of it?

I'm not the clown suggesting to gun down everyone.

 

[cytg111]

Sure is a shame he had no way of getting his vehicle back without pulling a gun! Definitely wasn't a thousand possible ways of doing it! Nope, straight to the pistol and citizen's arrest of the known criminal!

Quality vs quantity. For every 1000 of these encounters and the owner has a gun, how many times will he draw it and defend his property?

I argue that you'd need mass hypnosis on a grand scale, a few ton of psychedelics, to reprogram this behavior across the board.

 

[repoman0]

No, it's not something that can be replaced for a lot of Americans. That's so ridiculously tone deaf to suggest so in a nation with the crushing poverty that characterizes a lot of America. Also ridiculous to call it a materialistic object when it's something necessary for one to exist in most American cities and towns. ROFL acting like a car is just a Playstation or something.

LOL at this argument. If the poor murderer was so destitute then maybe he shouldn’t be driving the most expensive type of vehicle to own, both purchase price and cost of ownership.

Probably was some $60000 bro dozer … hilarious that people are celebrating this all around stupidity

 

[eelw]

hilarious that people are celebrating this all around stupidity

And the thing is, it isn't the resident hardcore gun nutters either

 

[SteveGrabowski]

I'm not the clown suggesting to gun down everyone.

LOL strawman. Yeah I suggested walking up and shooting him through the window right? Good luck siphoning gas out of that truck when the thief can just drive away.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I can't believe that I, the 2A absolutist, is the one defending for alternative de-escalation of an incident that resulted in a dead person over a fucking car, counter to virtually an entire board of gun-ban hippies, as the right would refer to most of us.

 

[nOOky]

Just call the cops and discretely follow the guy, pointing them where to go. If they are too busy or don't respond, then tell 911 that you have a gun and you're going after your truck, guarantee they'll be there asap.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I know you so badly wanted this to be a case of owner finds truck in parking lot, waits for thief to come out of the mall so he can pull his gun on him and shoot him down and jumped to that conclusion but that wasn't the case. He found the truck with the loser in it.

Literally the second paragraph, it was a mall. Had he waited 30s the loser would have gone in the mall and he could have retrieved his vehicle.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Literally the second paragraph, it was a mall. Had he waited 30s the loser would have gone in the mall and he could have retrieved his vehicle.
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ROFL yes the thief stole the truck from a South Park Mall parking lot so he could park it in another lot of South Park Mall and then go in and do some shopping.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

ROFL yes the thief stole the truck from a South Park Mall parking lot so he could park it in another lot of South Park Mall and then go in and do some shopping.

Where did you get that it was stolen from the mall? The article only states that he tracked it down to the mall, implying it came from elsewhere (I presume his driveway). Regardless, if he was sitting at a mall with his girlfriend in park, he was hardly rushing off to a chop shop.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Where did you get that it was stolen from the mall? The article only states that he tracked it down to the mall, implying it came from elsewhere (I presume his driveway). Regardless, if he was sitting at a mall with his girlfriend in park, he was hardly rushing off to a chop shop.

Man tracks down and kills alleged car thief, gets shot himself in mall gunfire chaos

A Texas parking lot turned into a gunfight after a man tracked down his stolen vehicle Thursday afternoon to a nearby mall, where he shot and killed the alleged thief, who pulled out a gun himself …

nypost.com

The man and his passenger exited the South Park Mall in San Antonio around 1 p.m. to find their Ford truck missing.

The duo tracked down the vehicle to another parking lot at the mall to discover a male and female sitting in the truck.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Got ya, getting your property back and road rage are the same situation.

Road rage and getting your property back have more similarities than you want to admit. Because both involve anger, adrenaline which heighten emotion and cause irrational thought and reactions. In fact road rage is more likely to result in violence because your safety could be in the balance, which kicks in self preservation reactions. But it appears that your personal property, something that can be replaced, is more important to you, than your life, or someone else's life , got it.

 

[Pohemi]

Must be nice to have so much money as to not give a shit about losing your car.

LOL at this argument. If the poor murderer was so destitute then maybe he shouldn’t be driving the most expensive type of vehicle to own, both purchase price and cost of ownership.

Not to mention he was likely paying for an OnStar™ or similar subscription, or it was new enough that he still had some of the first year or two of it left that is often included with a new vehicle.

I was also going to say he must have had a second vehicle to be able to track it down, but if it was taken at the mall and found at the mall, then that doesn't apply, obv.

I get the hypothetical point about losing a car when it isn't fully covered and the owner can't afford another, but it doesn't sound like it was necessarily the case here.

 

[NWRMidnight]

No, it's not something that can be replaced for a lot of Americans. That's so ridiculously tone deaf to suggest so in a nation with the crushing poverty that characterizes a lot of America. Also ridiculous to call it a materialistic object when it's something necessary for one to exist in most American cities and towns. ROFL acting like a car is just a Playstation or something.

Which is easier to replace, a person's life, or a fucking truck? If a truck can't be replaced, then how the fuck did they ever afford it in the first place, or exist before they had it? Your argument is placing material objects over life, and honestly it's fucking sickening and pathetic.

No, a truck or any vehicle is not a necessity to exist in most American cities.. actually it's not a necessity to exist in ANY city. The only reason you look at it that way is because you are a materialistic person, trying to justify why you HAVE and keep that piece of "property". I guess you must agree with the unemployed, homeless beggars who won't get a job, because they can't, as they don't have a vehicle, you must feel sorry for them, as they sit under a "help wanted" sign. Fuck me.. get out of here with the bullshit ideology that you have to have a vehicle to exist.. Millions of people do it every day without a vehicle. Must be some genetic make up that allows them to do so.. Something related to determination and the will to exist without needing a vehicle. Sorry to hear you are lacking those genetic traits.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Road rage and getting your property back have more similarities than you want to admit. Because both involve anger, adrenaline which heighten emotion and cause irrational thought and reactions. In fact road rage is more likely to result in violence because your safety could be in the balance, which kicks in self preservation reactions. But it appears that your personal property, something that can be replaced, is more important to you, than your life, or someone else's life , got it.

You don't seem to get that a car is not easily replaced for a lot of Americans while being an absolute necessity of life in most of the nation, San Antonio included. Yes my car is more important to me than the life of guy who steals it and then pulls a gun on me when I'm waiting for the cops.

 

[repoman0]

You don't seem to get that a car is not easily replaced for a lot of Americans while being an absolute necessity of life in most of the nation, San Antonio included. Yes my car is more important to me than the life of guy who steals it and then pulls a gun on me when I'm waiting for the cops.

Take the fuckin insurance payout and buy another.