Discussion Man Tracks Down His Stolen Truck, Kills Alleged Thief In Gunfight Outside Mall

[SteveGrabowski]

No, a truck or any vehicle is not a necessity to exist in most American cities.. actually it's not a necessity to exist in ANY city. The only reason you look at it that way is because you are a materialistic person, trying to justify why you HAVE and keep that piece of "property". I guess you must agree with the unemployed, homeless beggars who won't get a job, because they can't, as they don't have a vehicle, you must feel sorry for them, as they sit under a "help wanted" sign. Fuck me.. get out of here with the bullshit ideology that you have to have a vehicle to exist.. Millions of people do it every day without a vehicle. Must be some genetic make up that allows them to do so.. Something related to determination and the will to exist without needing a vehicle. Sorry to hear you are lacking those genetic traits.

You're getting really emotional now and projecting things. Yes it's a necessity to have a car to work in a nation that doesn't provide transportation infrastructure that could replace the need for a car. You think with rents and housing prices what they are most people can afford to live within walking distance of their work? Unless they want to work at the ice house or Dollar General or Sonic or some other slave wage Mcjob. This nation has been built entirely around the car for the last 70 years. I hate cars, they're money pits but they're a fact of life in America.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Take the fuckin insurance payout.

I don't pay for full coverage.

 

[NWRMidnight]

ROFL yes the thief stole the truck from a South Park Mall parking lot so he could park it in another lot of South Park Mall and then go in and do some shopping.

Does that really make sense? Is that really what thieves do when they steal a vehicle? They just drive it to another parking location at the same mall so they can go shopping? Non of that makes sense and is not what actual car thieves do.

 

[repoman0]

I don't pay for full coverage.

Then don’t drive an expensive truck that gets 12 mpg 😂

 

[NWRMidnight]

You don't seem to get that a car is not easily replaced for a lot of Americans while being an absolute necessity of life in most of the nation, San Antonio included. Yes my car is more important to me than the life of guy who steals it and then pulls a gun on me when I'm waiting for the cops.

You keep peddling the same bullshit.. And it's just that Bullshit.. But thank you for admitting that you are 100% materialistic, and admitting a fucking truck has more value than a person's life.. Once again, you leave out the part where YOU would be the one who pulled a gun first. Which means it becomes a life or death situation for the "suspected" thief and has nothing to do with stealing the truck if he pulls a gun.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Does that really make sense? Is that really what thieves do when they steal a vehicle? They just drive it to another parking location at the same mall so they can go shopping? Non of that makes sense and is not what actual car thieves do.

I'm not the one who said the thief was about to go shopping in the mall after stealing the truck. The person I quoted was making that argument. Take it up with [DHT]Osiris who said the truck's owner could have just waited 30 seconds for the thief to go into the mall.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

You keep peddling the same bullshit.. And it's just that Bullshit.. But thank you for admitting that you are 100% materialistic, and admitting a fucking truck has more value than a person's life.. Once again, you leave out the part where YOU would be the one who pulled a gun first. Which means it becomes a life or death situation for the "suspected" thief and has nothing to do with stealing the truck if he pulls a gun.

Yes my vehicle has more value to me than the life of a guy who shot me after stealing it.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Does that really make sense? Is that really what thieves do when they steal a vehicle? They just drive it to another parking location at the same mall so they can go shopping? Non of that makes sense and is not what actual car thieves do.

Anyways, since you probably didn't read it:

Man tracks down and kills alleged car thief, gets shot himself in mall gunfire chaos

A Texas parking lot turned into a gunfight after a man tracked down his stolen vehicle Thursday afternoon to a nearby mall, where he shot and killed the alleged thief, who pulled out a gun himself …

nypost.com

The man and his passenger exited the South Park Mall in San Antonio around 1 p.m. to find their Ford truck missing.

The duo tracked down the vehicle to another parking lot at the mall to discover a male and female sitting in the truck.

 

[eelw]

Not to mention he was likely paying for an OnStar™ or similar subscription, or it was new enough that he still had some of the first year or two of it left that is often included with a new vehicle.

I was also going to say he must have had a second vehicle to be able to track it down, but if it was taken at the mall and found at the mall, then that doesn't apply, obv.

I get the hypothetical point about losing a car when it isn't fully covered and the owner can't afford another, but it doesn't sound like it was necessarily the case here.

Yup we’re still missing (and unfortunately doubt this info will ever get released) how he tracked his truck elsewhere in the mall. But how does On Star work? You call them and they’ll tell you where your car is? And one would think on star would only provide location to police and not the owner to avoid this exact situation.

 

[NWRMidnight]

You're getting really emotional now and projecting things. Yes it's a necessity to have a car to work in a nation that doesn't provide transportation infrastructure that could replace the need for a car. You think with rents and housing prices what they are most people can afford to live within walking distance of their work? Unless they want to work at the ice house or Dollar General or Sonic or some other slave wage Mcjob. This nation has been built entirely around the car for the last 70 years. I hate cars, they're money pits but they're a fact of life in America.

I'm not getting emotional at all.. You are repeating bullshit.. over and over.. an no, it is not a necessity to have a car to work in this nation. Again, Millions of people do it every day, many who are not in walking distance of their place of employment.. Have you never heard of a bicycle? people go to work every day who live 10/15 miles from work, and they make it there on time, every day, without a car.. Not only are you materialistic and full of shit about needing a car in this world, you are coming across as a lazy fuck who has not determination or integrity.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

I'm not getting emotional at all.. You are repeating bullshit.. over and over.. an no, it is not a necessity to have a car to work in this nation. Again, Millions of people do it every day, many who are not in walking distance of their place of employment.. Have you never heard of a bicycle? people go to work every day who live 10/15 miles from work, and they make it there on time, every day, without a car.. Not only are you materialistic and full of shit about needing a car in this world, you are coming across as a lazy fuck who has not determination or integrity.

I'm curious how many murderers you have known and what makes an attempted murderer like the thief here have a life that has so much value to society?

 

[NWRMidnight]

I'm not the one who said the thief was about to go shopping in the mall after stealing the truck. The person I quoted was making that argument. Take it up with [DHT]Osiris who said the truck's owner could have just waited 30 seconds for the thief to go into the mall.

Why else would they be parked in another parking lot at the same mall? They doing to strip the truck in the other parking lot? Stop looking at this so narrow mindedly.

 

[manly]

Not to mention he was likely paying for an OnStar™ or similar subscription, or it was new enough that he still had some of the first year or two of it left that is often included with a new vehicle.

I was also going to say he must have had a second vehicle to be able to track it down, but if it was taken at the mall and found at the mall, then that doesn't apply, obv.

I get the hypothetical point about losing a car when it isn't fully covered and the owner can't afford another, but it doesn't sound like it was necessarily the case here.

If he had a vehicle theft recovery subscription, there's absolutely zero reason to perform a risky "citizen's arrest." Those companies will interact with law enforcement.

Since he was able to geolocate his car, I assumed he used an Apple AirTag. If so, how responsive the local police agency would have been to his theft report is unknown. Many agencies are understaffed and won't prioritize property theft.

 

[repoman0]

I'm curious how many murderers you have known and what makes an attempted murderer like the thief here have a life that has so much value to society?

How many people have you shot and killed that makes you think it’s such a great idea to put yourself in a position where you have to do so? Or is it just an internet tough guy routine?

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I'm not the one who said the thief was about to go shopping in the mall after stealing the truck. The person I quoted was making that argument. Take it up with [DHT]Osiris who said the truck's owner could have just waited 30 seconds for the thief to go into the mall.

The thief took the vehicle from one parking lot to another with his girlfriend. I cannot imagine his intent was to stay in the vehicle until the point it was disassembled. I'm a pretty heartless fuck but even I wouldn't murder someone over a car. I also wouldn't put my life at risk over a car.

 

[NWRMidnight]

I'm curious how many murderers you have known and what makes an attempted murderer like the thief here have a life that has so much value to society?

Where are you getting attempted murder from? Out of your ass? He had a gun pulled on him by the owner.. I know, you and obviously the owner of the truck had already decided beyond a doubt that the man was the thief, and that he had no rights based on that determination, which gave the owner the right to pull a gun on him, and removed all rights of self preservation for the driver of the truck who may have been reacting to protect himself, due to fear as he had a gun pointed at him.

Take off the blinders, step back and think for a minute, is it possible that the man didn't intentionally take the truck? Is it possible they got in, started it up and drove away.. realizing it wasn't his truck.. yes it can and has happened. So he went back, couldn't find a parking spot in the same lot, so he went to another lot to return the truck.. We may never know what really happened. We may never know if the dead man actually stolen the truck or not, or if it was a simple mistake.. There are so many possible scenarios that explain why they where in the truck, which has nothing to do with stealing it. What if it really is one of innocence? We may never know.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Since he was able to geolocate his car, I assumed he used an Apple AirTag.

No such information has been released. If he had something like that obviously he shouldn't have pulled a gun to try to take his truck back.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Where are you getting attempted murder from? Out of your ass?

From the thief shooting the guy

 

[SteveGrabowski]

The thief took the vehicle from one parking lot to another with his girlfriend. I cannot imagine his intent was to stay in the vehicle until the point it was disassembled. I'm a pretty heartless fuck but even I wouldn't murder someone over a car. I also wouldn't put my life at risk over a car.

My best guess would be he was probably dicking around on his phone to find a place to stash it to strip or sell later. Pretty stupid to stay near the scene of the crime for long but I wouldn't expect rationality from a 34 year old car thief.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

How many people have you shot and killed that makes you think it’s such a great idea to put yourself in a position where you have to do so? Or is it just an internet tough guy routine?

Don't know how shooting someone makes anyone tough.

 

[NWRMidnight]

From the thief shooting the guy

you are once again leaving out the part that he had a gun pulled on him first. You are also may be missing some required specifics for it be classified as attempted murder. But I don't know Texas Law and what their requirements are for attempted murder. Right now, your argument is based on assumptions, just like the owner's actions where.. all based on assumptions.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Take off the blinders, step back and think for a minute, is it possible that the man didn't intentionally take the truck? Is it possible they got in, started it up and drove away.. realizing it wasn't his truck.. yes it can and has happened. So he went back, couldn't find a parking spot in the same lot, so he went to another lot to return the truck.. We may never know what really happened. We may never know if the dead man actually stolen the truck or not, or if it was a simple mistake.. There are so many possible scenarios that explain why they where in the truck, which has nothing to do with stealing it. What if it really is one of innocence? We may never know.

So the alleged thief's truck uses the same key as the stolen truck? This is the hill you want to die on?

 

[SteveGrabowski]

you are once again leaving out the part that he had a gun pulled on him first.

So you're advocating for stand your ground now?

 

[manly]

The thief took the vehicle from one parking lot to another with his girlfriend. I cannot imagine his intent was to stay in the vehicle until the point it was disassembled. I'm a pretty heartless fuck but even I wouldn't murder someone over a car. I also wouldn't put my life at risk over a car.

Don't Mess with Texas!

No such information has been released. If he had something like that obviously he shouldn't have pulled a gun to try to take his truck back.

That's reasonable. If we're to assume that the owner just stumbled upon his truck by sheer luck (rather than by using a tracking device), then he had no reliable way of recovering the vehicle if the thief drives away. Without clearly knowing all the facts, it's hard to say how valuable the alleged thief's life was.

 

[NWRMidnight]

So you're advocating for stand your ground now?

I didn't say that, did I? Just because there is a possible different reasoning behind the person's actions, different possible scenarios of why this happened, doesn't mean I am advocating anything. I am just not looking at this with blinders on, jumping to conclusions based on assumptions. What you are advocating is you believe the only person who has any rights, is the owner of the truck.. Nobody else has any rights beyond the owner's actions, specially the guy sitting the seat of his truck.. that guy doesn't even have the right to live and prove his case, or defend his actions. Because a truck, that you keep trying to argue is more important than life..

What if the guy in the seat of the truck, was innocent of any wrong doing other than sitting behind the wheel of the owners truck? What if he was a repo man (doubtful, but possible) do you believe stand your ground would apply, or does that innocent man have no rights? Now, I'm not advocating for the stand your ground, but it is a possibility if he indeed is innocent. We really don't know if he was innocent or not.. because nobody knows all the details of exactly what took place. We don't even know what was said between the owner of the truck and the "suspected" car thief where, other than what the owner claims, which is seldom accurate in such situation. Those details may or may not come out as time goes on.. we will see.. But I am not going to just assume that he in guilty of stealing anything until I know all of the facts.

Your whole position about "if it was my truck" shows you would be reactionary running on emotion, because your truck is more important than life, based on the conclusion that he's in my truck, he's guilty.. fuck em.. He doesn't get the chance to defend his actions.. And he sure as hell doesn't get the right to defend himself If you pull a gun on him first.. you are the law..... no you are not, and neither was the guy in Texas.

I already posted what happened to me when my car was "stolen", and I know if it played out like it did in this situation, that an innocent man would have been dead... thank god it didn't...