Man wielding pipe outside Carl's Jr shot by officers (video)

[WaTaGuMp]

They could of let the dog go after him, at least try it.

 

[Hippiewan]

Guy is carrying a conduit bender, used by electricians to bend conduit, go figure, without knowing the rest of the story, sorry did not rtfa, hard to say what was justified. You know how many times I am walking down the street carrying a conduit bender, or a sledge hammer or some other, "weapon". Part of the job when you break and fix shit for a living. Agree, he was a dumb ass for bringing it back to threaten but is that enough for 10 bullets to your core, not sure.

 

[CZroe]

I read this as "Man welding pipe outside Carl's Jr shot by officers (video)" and assumed that he was shot while doing his job with an arc welder. *shrug*

 

[JSt0rm]

Thing that surprised me most (or maybe not, feeling a bit jaded at the moment) is how utterly unshocked the guys filming were. They were clearly surprised, because they expected him to only get tazed. But upon seeing someone's life likely ended, all they managed a "Daaammmmmnnn...giggle...They mugged that mofo" and some laughing. Something about that disturbed me.

Its a totally natural psychological response to laugh when you see something so uncomfortable. Its part of the bodies way of dealing with things like this.

What isnt totally natural is all of us watching from the outside and saying things like "good, dirtbag criminals need to die" Thats very unfortunate and possibly from other police officers. This is why when and if I ever deal with police I assume they will kill me for any little reason.

edit

Reading the story the police said he swung the bar twice and thats clearly not what happened. With more and more cameras coming online everyday we begin to see exactly how psychopathic the police really are.

 

[Udgnim]

better safe than sorry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX5kwVc9IOk&feature=player_embedded

there are good and bad cops, but I have no sympathy for people who disrespect the authority of the police

 

[RampantAndroid]

Deadly force is deadly force. Once it's justified you don't count bullets, you stop the threat. Whether it's one bullet or five. Now the second volley when the guy is on the ground, yeah, I can see the issue there.

Exactly. The second volley is uncalled for. A shot going off and hitting a sign is also worrisome. They were more worried about their own hides, or too scared and undisciplined to control their fire. No matter what, that bullet could have hit someone. And the officers would NOT be at fault if it did.

If I defend myself with a gun and one of MY rounds hits an innocent bystander, I'm charged with manslaughter.

That's BS, and needs to change.

 

[JSt0rm]

better safe than sorry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX5kwVc9IOk&feature=player_embedded

there are good and bad cops, but I have no sympathy for people who disrespect the authority of the police

Very sad. 23 year old cop. I think these situations were very different though. If every highly aggitated person who didn't follow a cops order was killed there would be a lot of dead people for no good reason.

 

[TridenT]

better safe than sorry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX5kwVc9IOk&feature=player_embedded

there are good and bad cops, but I have no sympathy for people who disrespect the authority of the police

Wow. Surprised that is still on youtube. I consider that far more graphic than the video in the OP even though you don't even see the officer get shot, but instead get to hear him.

 

[Kantastic]

Has any cop ever done anything right in your opinion?

MotionMan

You would be able to answer that question without an ounce of doubt if you've seen NYPD in action the way I've seen them. I have one word to describe cops, in NYC at least, filth.

better safe than sorry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX5kwVc9IOk&feature=player_embedded

there are good and bad cops, but I have no sympathy for people who disrespect the authority of the police

Respect is earned, not privileged. I do not respect cops who are both ignorant and stupid towards the law, which is about 99% of them. Now that's an irony.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WPEW1mC714

 

[QueBert]

better safe than sorry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX5kwVc9IOk&feature=player_embedded

there are good and bad cops, but I have no sympathy for people who disrespect the authority of the police

So bad cops should be respected simply because they're in a position of authority? I was done dirty by 2 cops about a decade ago. It's sad I couldn't do shit back because they were cops. I didn't disrespect them, but not because of anything other than I was scared if I had even said something I would have gotten tazed or something. I think when a police officer is clearly out of line the person being disrespected by them should be able to do anything they would do to a normal person who was treating them the same way. A badge shouldn't give them the right to do whatever the fuck they want without a care in the world.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

So bad cops should be respected simply because they're in a position of authority? I was done dirty by 2 cops about a decade ago. It's sad I couldn't do shit back because they were cops. I didn't disrespect them, but not because of anything other than I was scared if I had even said something I would have gotten tazed or something. I think when a police officer is clearly out of line the person being disrespected by them should be able to do anything they would do to a normal person who was treating them the same way. A badge shouldn't give them the right to do whatever the fuck they want without a care in the world.

No when someone has gun FREEZE or die

 

[Broheim]

there's a thread in p&n already.

and what's funny is that the P&N crowd is coming off as much more reasonable and informed individuals than OT in that thread.

 

[RavenSEAL]

Jesus, he got lit up gansta style by that cop D:

 

[QueBert]

No when someone has gun FREEZE or die

So let a cop shoot you just because they have a gun out? I'm not talking about a criminal, I'm saying if a cop pulled a gun on me for no reason I should let him kill me? If I was walking down the street and a random dude pulled a gun out and I felt like he was going to kill me I would do anything I could to prevent that. If anything I'd be more scared if the cop did it, the average joe would go to jail. Where the cop might not get anything more than a slap on the wrist.

While I know most cops are good, I've had enough dealings with scum bag ones where I'm wary of them all by default.

 

[Broheim]

So let a cop shoot you just because they have a gun out? I'm not talking about a criminal, I'm saying if a cop pulled a gun on me for no reason I should let him kill me? If I was walking down the street and a random dude pulled a gun out and I felt like he was going to kill me I would do anything I could to prevent that. If anything I'd be more scared if the cop did it, the average joe would go to jail. Where the cop might not get anything more than a slap on the wrist.

While I know most cops are good, I've had enough dealings with scum bag ones where I'm wary of them all by default.

there are perfectly good reasons why a cop would pull a gun on you even if you haven't done anything, someone fitting your description could have just commited a crime or in places where firearms are illegal he could have mistaken something clipped to your belt for a gun etc. the best thing to do is just do as the cop says and then sort it out afterwards.

 

[edro]

Definitely justified in shooting. He obviously had no respect for the law as he ignored their commands then tried to attack.

They could have released the K9 on him, but the K9 would probably have taken a stab to the back by that demolition hammer. K9s are officers too.

 

[edro]

Is this the tool?

 

[BarkingGhostar]

Almost looks as if the suspect was about to raise the weapon to attack one of the officers.

I could understand shooting him once, waiting for a reaction, and then opening fire again but the officer seemed as if he never stopped pulling the trigger. Reminds me of the first time I shot a weapon, after the hesitant first pull of the trigger, I didn't stop shooting until I ran out of bullets.

I'm sure the officer was reacting vs thinking and in fear of their own life one will do what they have to but it seems like overkill to me. Interested to see what the investigation into the officer yields.

Hmm, and no one could let the dog have first pickens? What about the taser option?

 

[AHamick]

Some of the responses in this thread scare me.

Shoot to wound? Fire once and wait for a reaction? Use less lethal force against an offender using DEADLY actions? You people are living in a fantasy land.

The Guy with the pipe raised a DEADLY weapon towards officers. That immediately raises the officers response to deadly in turn. Less lethal options are no longer an option. The k9 officer fired to save his partners life. If he shot once and waited to assess the situation he very well may have been explaining that. Hesitation to the wife now widow of the other cop who got his skull bashed in.

Its a shame someone died, but better him than the cop

 

[edro]

Some of the responses in this thread scare me.

Shoot to wound? Fire once and wait for a reaction? Use less lethal force against an offender using DEADLY actions? You people are living in a fantasy land.

The Guy with the pipe raised a DEADLY weapon towards officers. That immediately raises the officers response to deadly in turn. Less lethal options are no longer an option. The k9 officer fired to save his partners life. If he shot once and waited to assess the situation he very well may have been explaining that. Hesitation to the wife now widow of the other cop who got his skull bashed in.

Its a shame someone died, but better him than the cop

:thumbsup:

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

The cops had their weapons raised and pointing right at him. Wtf did he expect when he went at them with a fucking claw hammer.

And dogs are not dispensable items. The Dog has every right to remain safe as well. The dog shouldn't have to take a claw hammer to the face to save this guy from getting shot. If he wants to be Johnny bad ass and threaten civilians with a claw hammer then raise it towards officers he has no place in society.

 

[MotionMan]

When in doubt, empty the magazine.

Which seems like they showed some restraint by only firing 5 times each. I doubt they have only 5 bullets in their magazine.

MotionMan

 

[MotionMan]

You would be able to answer that question without an ounce of doubt if you've seen NYPD in action the way I've seen them. I have one word to describe cops, in NYC at least, filth.

Has any cop ever done anything right in your opinion?

MotionMan

 

[MotionMan]

So bad cops should be respected simply because they're in a position of authority? I was done dirty by 2 cops about a decade ago. It's sad I couldn't do shit back because they were cops. I didn't disrespect them, but not because of anything other than I was scared if I had even said something I would have gotten tazed or something. I think when a police officer is clearly out of line the person being disrespected by them should be able to do anything they would do to a normal person who was treating them the same way. A badge shouldn't give them the right to do whatever the fuck they want without a care in the world.

You do not have the "respect" the cop, but you should show restraint when dealing with cops because they have been given authority by our society and they carry a gun. Also, you should comply with police demands because they have authority and a gun.

If you want to be a badass or sidewalk constitutional lawyer, then you should not be surprised when you get beat down or shot. I am not saying it is right - it is just the way it is.

The time to argue the legality or constitutionality of a cops actions is not during the interaction.

So let a cop shoot you just because they have a gun out? I'm not talking about a criminal, I'm saying if a cop pulled a gun on me for no reason I should let him kill me? If I was walking down the street and a random dude pulled a gun out and I felt like he was going to kill me I would do anything I could to prevent that. If anything I'd be more scared if the cop did it, the average joe would go to jail. Where the cop might not get anything more than a slap on the wrist.

When you investigated the interaction with the cop later, did you learn why he pulled a gun on you? Did you fit the description of someone they were looking for? How did the interaction end?

While I know most cops are good, I've had enough dealings with scum bag ones where I'm wary of them all by default.

And cops probably know that most people are good, but have had enough dealings with scumbags where they are wary of all people by default (especially since some of those scumbags will kill cops without hesitation).

MotionMan