Manafort jury has reached a verdict

[Maxima1]

What is Trump going to do? What is the New York state's attorney going to do? What more will Cohen say? What more can Manafort offer? And of all the Americans indicted so far, what do they know about each other? And Trump, of course?

Heh. You just reminded me of the NY pardon loophole. They STILL haven't closed it. They need to be tarred and feathered.

 

[cytg111]

Both Cohen and Manafort were privy to conversations with Trump in addition to those that Cohen taped.

Mueller at this moment is a black box, and he hasn't opened the curtains yet. You can infer everything that is possible, given everything known from outside the box.

I'm trying to imagine what went on in the Manafort jury-room. Would it have been the case that there were so many charges that holdouts worried about the case's implications for their Great Fuhrer could only thwart the 10 of 18 charges? And they can re-try those mistrialed charges. In addition, I think Manafort is facing another trial in the DC jurisdiction.

Trump's personality disorder -- his psychological disorder -- makes it a continuing and longstanding good bet that he can't keep his mouth shut about anything. That's why his collusion is evident from the "hack Hillary's e-mails" event, with the timing of more Russian intervention on that very day.

Perhaps nobody has thought much about a possibility that they can get someone in Russia to testify in the US with documentable knowledge of the Kremlin psy-war play-book, or even to fill in the details linking Trump in more damning ways.

What is Trump going to do? What is the New York state's attorney going to do? What more will Cohen say? What more can Manafort offer? And of all the Americans indicted so far, what do they know about each other? And Trump, of course?

Cohen is going to spill the beans on advanced knowledge on the DNC hack and the successful effort to collude... by him and Trump..
Pardons incoming.

 

[urvile]

Good to see that Mueller is working hard to drain the swamp.

 

[urvile]

Fox News Webpage at 5:00 PM pacific time the day Manafort and Cohen guilty.

No disrespect to the deceased but I wonder how many American citizens were killed by other American citizens in say ...the last two weeks? It seems more like clutching at straws. Than news.

 

[JSt0rm]

No disrespect to the deceased but I wonder how many American citizens were killed by other American citizens in say ...the last two weeks? It seems more like clutching at straws. Than news.

brown people bad bro. You didnt know?

 

[VRAMdemon]

No disrespect to the deceased but I wonder how many American citizens were killed by other American citizens in say ...the last two weeks? It seems more like clutching at straws. Than news.

The undocumented worker who has been arrested for the murder of Mollie Tibbetts has worked for the brother of a county GOP official for four years, and is alleged to have passed E-Verify.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...ng/1059482002/

 

[sdifox]

woo hoo... speedy, tajjy, bull, wherefore art thou?
To post or not to post, that is the question
Whether it is nobler to spin the news and the facts to fit your dilemma
Or to spin lies and rhetoric sourced from bottom of a well of despair.

- sorry Bill.

You forgot to work in concern and hand grenades.

 

[sdifox]

No disrespect to the deceased but I wonder how many American citizens were killed by other American citizens in say ...the last two weeks? It seems more like clutching at straws. Than news.

It's faux news. This is actually one of their more truthful reports.

 

[soulcougher73]

No one here ever seems to talk about it. I've brought it up a couple times how it bothers me. Do presidential pardons not bother anyone here? To me it seems an abuse of power/get out of jail free card for buddies.

How is this not talked about in the news more to remove that power or something?

 

[HomerJS]

No one here ever seems to talk about it. I've brought it up a couple times how it bothers me. Do presidential pardons not bother anyone here? To me it seems an abuse of power/get out of jail free card for buddies.

How is this not talked about in the news more to remove that power or something?

I don't have a problem with the ability to pardon but I have a big problem with any President circumventing the vetting process. Maybe that part needs to be codified by law.

 

[cytg111]

No one here ever seems to talk about it. I've brought it up a couple times how it bothers me. Do presidential pardons not bother anyone here? To me it seems an abuse of power/get out of jail free card for buddies.

How is this not talked about in the news more to remove that power or something?

Messagage from Cohen, via lawyer, to Trump is that he can shove his pardons up his own ass.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Messagage from Cohen, via lawyer, to Trump is that he can shove his pardons up his own ass.

Easily said when this man of privilege has not yet actually spent a few nights in the big house..we'll see

 

[HomerJS]

Perhaps nobody has thought much about a possibility that they can get someone in Russia to testify in the US with documentable knowledge of the Kremlin psy-war play-book, or even to fill in the details linking Trump in more damning ways.

Maria Butina may have some light to shed and we've already got her.

 

[nOOky]

Easily said when this man of privilege has not yet actually spent a few nights in the big house..we'll see

He can still get through all of this with zero jail time, it is suspected that he has enough dirt to do just that. It wouldn't make sense for him to do what he did otherwise seeing as he killed any hope of a Presidential pardon.

 

[emperus]

Heh. You just reminded me of the NY pardon loophole. They STILL haven't closed it. They need to be tarred and feathered.

I was reading an article that said they did close it in regards to state taxes years back. So at the very least they can prosecute manafort for state tax fraud. Well that is my understanding from my limited reading.
https://www.law.com/newyorklawjournal/almID/1202513681459/

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Heh. You just reminded me of the NY pardon loophole. They STILL haven't closed it. They need to be tarred and feathered.

Cuomo has talked at length about this... wait, no he hasn't. As he has his eyes on the Presidency, without doubt, he might not want to open a can of worms that comes back to bite him someday. Yes, that's what I think of our Emperor, a more clever version of Trump with less petty goals. If the situation changes then it's likely to come closer to his reelection date to improve his image. For those who don't live in the glorious Empire State, Cuomo (or any Gov) has more power and control than Trump has over the Republican party since that is how our state laws work.

Could it change? I think so, but not yet. No one gains anything of sufficient value at this time.

 

[Jhhnn]

I was reading an article that said they did close it in regards to state taxes years back. So at the very least they can prosecute manafort for state tax fraud. Well that is my understanding from my limited reading.
https://www.law.com/newyorklawjournal/almID/1202513681459/

Manafort is a resident of VA, iirc. NY probably won't prosecute Cohen because snitches are rewarded, not punished.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

You forgot to work in concern and hand grenades.

I was far too busy mangling Shakespeare to worry about those items. However, I do think I mangled the snot out of it. So I've got that going for me.

 

[emperus]

As I suspected.

“It was one person who kept the verdict from being guilty on all 18 counts,” Duncan, 52, said. She added that Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s team of prosecutors often seemed bored, apparently catnapping during parts of the trial.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...eller-team-from-convicting-on-all-counts.html

 

[Maxima1]

As I suspected.

“It was one person who kept the verdict from being guilty on all 18 counts,” Duncan, 52, said. She added that Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s team of prosecutors often seemed bored, apparently catnapping during parts of the trial.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...eller-team-from-convicting-on-all-counts.html

It should be 10-2! There's always a nut case that spoils it.

She was biased.

“Every day when I drove, I had my Make America Great Again hat in the backseat,” said the juror who plans to vote for Trump again in 2020. “Just as a reminder.”

“Certainly Mr. Manafort got caught breaking the law, but he wouldn’t have gotten caught if they weren’t after President Trump,” Duncan said of the special counsel’s case, which she separately described as a “witch hunt to try to find Russian collusion,” borrowing a phrase Trump has used in tweets more than 100 times."


https://twitter.com/passantino/status/1032470476373643264

Edit: Mix up. This juror felt the charges shouldn't have been brought, but still voted guilty on all 18. So the other one is an even bigger Trumpster. XD

 

[Fenixgoon]

As I suspected.

“It was one person who kept the verdict from being guilty on all 18 counts,” Duncan, 52, said. She added that Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s team of prosecutors often seemed bored, apparently catnapping during parts of the trial.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...eller-team-from-convicting-on-all-counts.html

after building such a case, they're probably like "goddamnit i don't feel like explaining this shit. it's obvious!"

 

[cytg111]

nm

 

[Fanatical Meat]

The Useful Idiots are now basically saying Manafort was 8 for 18, he’s more innocent than guilty since it’s 8 for 18.
Should be interesting if some AT useful idiot starts spouting this statement

 

[VRAMdemon]

As I suspected.

“It was one person who kept the verdict from being guilty on all 18 counts,” Duncan, 52, said. She added that Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s team of prosecutors often seemed bored, apparently catnapping during parts of the trial.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...eller-team-from-convicting-on-all-counts.html

I saw one of the jurors on Fox. You knew one of them would take their 15 minutes. She is a Trump supporter. She said she went into the trial hoping that Manafort was innocent. But she was convinced by the evidence that he wasn't and wanted to convict on all 18 counts. She said there was only one juror who wasn't convinced about the 10 counts. She also said that the jury disregarded Gates' testimony as they didn't find him a credible witness. They pretty much relied on just the paper trail.

The host tried to lead her to some pro-Trump points but the most she said was that she didn't like the way the trial came about and felt it was political just to get at Trump. That's probably what they will pull from her interview to repeat to the Fox faithful. Interesting that she has definite political biases, but followed the evidence. Good for her. The ultimate Fox/GOP/MAGAbot takeaway from this interview is that poor old Manafort only faced charges because of his association with the Trump witch-hunt. And that it was just some nothingburger tax evasion. Not criminal, nothing to see here, pay some fines and go about your day. Heck, if I had that kind of money, I'd be evading taxes like a motherfucker too.

There's a metric ton of white-collar crime out there that nobody's trying to prosecute. Now that a handful of people are getting charged for some of this stuff, other people are whining about it. Manafort was convicted of some pretty massive and blatant tax fraud. The real problem isn't that he got nabbed, the real problem is that the GOP has done its best to strip the IRS of resources to go after rich tax cheats, while requiring them to direct their resources towards people who might be misusing the Earned Income Tax Credit.

 

[sactoking]

I called the lone holdout partisan.

Also I find it amusing that the jury disregarded Gates. Didn't the judge pressure the prosecution to put him on the stand because otherwise they couldn't meet their burden of proof?