Manafort jury has reached a verdict

[Cr0nJ0b]

Mistrial means they can still retry on the on the remaining charges. Which might get a more even keeled judge...and jurors who have already seen what Trumpets tend to do for their boss (aka lie, cheat and steal at his direction).

um, I have to say, this isn't a great day for the Manafort defense team. It's not the worst possible outcome, but not great. If they decide...at any time...to retry him...who knows where it goes. Mueller team should now start pressing hard on him to give up the good...on Hillary.

 

[compuwiz1]

I know of two people who won't be attending Trump's rally today.

#Itsgonnatakeawhilelongertomakeamericagreatagain

 

[Amused]

Fox News Webpage at 5:00 PM pacific time the day Manafort and Cohen guilty.

 

[GoodRevrnd]

Fox News Webpage at 5:00 PM pacific time the day Manafort and Cohen guilty.

looooooooooool... talk about illustrating a point. I clicked on this thread from the new posts bar, took me straight to your post. Thought I had clicked into the wrong thread.

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm feeling like Dave these days to a degree. I expect Trump and the Reps to find a way to weasle out of things. I hope I'm wrong, but until that man is escorted from the WH I won't put anything past these reprehensables.

I'm just saying you don't need to besmirch the judge & the process. The fact that he was tough on the prosecution means they have a better case should Manafort appeal.

Manafort is becoming a sideshow at this point. I figure he'll sit tight & pray... Once he's sentenced on these charges that's pretty much set in stone... if he's gonna roll over he better do it fast...

 

[Indus]

A blanket pardon from Pence would protect him forever.

LOL, Pence would be thinking about his own political career. Its toast if he pardons Trump.

 

[Greenman]

Manafort's only plausible way out is to cooperate with Mueller. A pardon won't matter, since state charges could be pulled up. Cohen I believe would have the same issue.

Assuming hes has something on Trump to give up. I keep reading speculation on when any of these guys are going to cut a deal, but I've never seen anyone even speculate on the possibility that they don't have anything. All Trump needs is "arms length".
None of this matters if the dems clean up in November, they'll be having the White House fumigated by January.

 

[umbrella39]

Fox News Webpage at 5:00 PM pacific time the day Manafort and Cohen guilty.

That's the Hey Look A Squirrel that I said was going to explode in the TrumpTard bubble...

Sad day for this poor girl and her family and Hop aboard the bill the wall train...

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Hey, here's something fun.

Trump is now officially an unindicted co-conspirator.

 

[Jhhnn]

LOL, Pence would be thinking about his own political career. Its toast if he pardons Trump.

It's toast if he doesn't. He can't win w/o the base & they love Trump. They must be appeased somehow. I mean, the number of death threats he'd get would overwhelm the SS if he doesn't pardon Trump.

I'd be all for it, anyway. It would give his supporters room to back away from the fortifications in their minds & admit to themselves that they made a mistake in voting for him. It might even lead to deeper introspection for some but they need some room to get there, a lull in the fighting so to speak.

 

[Jhhnn]

Assuming hes has something on Trump to give up. I keep reading speculation on when any of these guys are going to cut a deal, but I've never seen anyone even speculate on the possibility that they don't have anything. All Trump needs is "arms length".
None of this matters if the dems clean up in November, they'll be having the White House fumigated by January.

As you say, Manafort might not be of any help to the Russia investigation. Not that he would if he could, anyway. Manafort's problem is that he won't be safe from his Russian friends if he rolls on Trump. Neither will his family. He'll inevitably do some time at this point. His ability to pull strings on the outside will earn him friends on the inside, I'm sure.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Once he's sentenced on these charges that's pretty much set in stone... if he's gonna roll over he better do it fast...

Isn't it too late for that? The time to roll over is before a conviction, no? I'm of course thinking of plea bargain but maybe there are other avenues for lenience. At this point he is probably counting on a presidential pardon, which I assume will for sure happen.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

woo hoo... speedy, tajjy, bull, wherefore art thou?
To post or not to post, that is the question
Whether it is nobler to spin the news and the facts to fit your dilemma
Or to spin lies and rhetoric sourced from bottom of a well of despair.

- sorry Bill.

 

[brandonbull]

And the fake news witch hunt claims another guilty victim.

Of Russian collusion?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Of Russian collusion?

not yet bunky, but stay tuned. I think we're winding down to a series finale here. Who knows? Maybe Ross and Rachel will get back together again.

 

[Maxima1]

Cohen is already a rat. Trump won't give him the sweat off his balls. Manafort is doing the standup guy routine & praying for a pardon.

The point being that Cohen as well probably has a number of state charges that could be pulled out if pardon power is abused. Some are just toast. The pardon wouldn't help.

The only thing he might get out of Mueller at this point is likely choice of facility for the rest of his life.

I'm unsure, but the window may still be opened for at least some possibility that he doesn't have to spend the rest of his life in prison.

It's toast if he doesn't. He can't win w/o the base & they love Trump. They must be appeased somehow. I mean, the number of death threats he'd get would overwhelm the SS if he doesn't pardon Trump.

Doing that would be completely outrageous and would most definitely follow the Republicans into 2020. I think the calculation would be to try to distance themselves from Trump if they are forced to rid of him.

As you say, Manafort might not be of any help to the Russia investigation. Not that he would if he could, anyway. Manafort's problem is that he won't be safe from his Russian friends if he rolls on Trump. Neither will his family. He'll inevitably do some time at this point. His ability to pull strings on the outside will earn him friends on the inside, I'm sure.

This is just weird. So in one instance, he's of no help, but on the other hand, maybe the Russians will kill him and his family. Huh?

Here's something from Tribe on Cohen guilty pleas::

"No way Cohen would’ve entered guilty pleas to eight felony counts in NYC today without either a sealed cooperation agreement or a confidential understanding with Mueller, which the plea agreement in SDNY expressly left open. So he still has key information on Trump to share"

As I said, it's going to be proven wrong. And look at Flynn -- apparently Mueller is still getting something out of him.

 

[Artorias]

Just waiting for the justice system find the president guilty of his crimes.

Times to close down this gong show, call an election, and reset America. The people of America need to stand up.

 

[Jhhnn]

The point being that Cohen as well probably has a number of state charges that could be pulled out if pardon power is abused. Some are just toast. The pardon wouldn't help.



I'm unsure, but the window may still be opened for at least some possibility that he doesn't have to spend the rest of his life in prison.



Doing that would be completely outrageous and would most definitely follow the Republicans into 2020. I think the calculation would be to try to distance themselves from Trump if they are forced to rid of him.



This is just weird. So in one instance, he's of no help, but on the other hand, maybe the Russians will kill him and his family. Huh?

Here's something from Tribe on Cohen guilty pleas::

"No way Cohen would’ve entered guilty pleas to eight felony counts in NYC today without either a sealed cooperation agreement or a confidential understanding with Mueller, which the plea agreement in SDNY expressly left open. So he still has key information on Trump to share"

As I said, it's going to be proven wrong. And look at Flynn -- apparently Mueller is still getting something out of him.

Meh. I figure Manafort is a very smart guy who had powerful reasons not to roll over on Trump. People who cross his oligarch friends have a nasty habit of turning up dead. He was in the room at the Trump tower meeting & they probably didn't talk about adoptions at all. If was going to rat he'd have done it long ago. I figure he's been playing to get out of it entirely or for a pardon all along but this Cohen business really throws a monkey wrench into the works.

Right now it looks like his calculations (whatever they are) won't pan out.

 

[HomerJS]

Fox News Webpage at 5:00 PM pacific time the day Manafort and Cohen guilty.

On the drive home at the 8p hour tuned in to big 3 cable networks. The obvious biggest political story of the year was running on CNN and MSNBC. What was Fox running you ask?...………

Live coverage of Trump's rally. They will try anything to ignore these stories so much they will cut to another episode of Trump gathering 100's of his lemmings and spend an hour lying to them.

 

[HomerJS]

Fox News Webpage at 5:00 PM pacific time the day Manafort and Cohen guilty.

I feel bad for this girl's family but my feeling are the same for the family where the husband killed his wife and 2 children, allegedly. Yet Fox News and Drumpf will demagogue this to death. Mark my words it will be disgusting even though all statistics show illegal immigrants as a group commit less crime the general populus.

 

[HomerJS]

Of Russian collusion?

Collusion is an act. The crime is conspiracy.

We already have a hint of this. Remember Manafort had the Republican Party platform changed to be favorable to Russia.

This is only the beginning.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Of Russian collusion?

https://www.apnews.com/cb9940da63ec...t:-Lawyer:-Cohen-has-info-for-special-counsel

Apparently, there's still plenty of criminal activity to come out. As far as Russian collusion? At this point, the President is implicated in a crime he directed and is now an unindicted co-conspirator and things didn't go well for Tricky Dicky. "He's a criminal but that doesn't count" thinking isn't going to help him at all.

The thing about Nixon is that he knew when to ah heck off. Trump isn't that bright and taking the best road is secondary to his nature of destroying everything he can to hold on.

Be it before or after midterms, there is a piper to be paid, a political Grim Reaper who won't be denied where crime is concerned.

 

[BoomerD]

A blanket pardon from Pence would protect him forever.

Only from FEDERAL crimes. States (especially NY) could still charge him with various crimes committed in their jurisdiction

 

[Maxima1]

Meh. I figure Manafort is a very smart guy who had powerful reasons not to roll over on Trump. People who cross his oligarch friends have a nasty habit of turning up dead. He was in the room at the Trump tower meeting & they probably didn't talk about adoptions at all. If was going to rat he'd have done it long ago. I figure he's been playing to get out of it entirely or for a pardon all along but this Cohen business really throws a monkey wrench into the works.

Right now it looks like his calculations (whatever they are) won't pan out.

I have no idea what's Manafort's thinking, but I can see your point about not being helpful if you meant Manafort won't really have anything necessary for Mueller because of what he has already gathered. It's possible Mueller just doesn't need him.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Both Cohen and Manafort were privy to conversations with Trump in addition to those that Cohen taped.

Mueller at this moment is a black box, and he hasn't opened the curtains yet. You can infer everything that is possible, given everything known from outside the box.

I'm trying to imagine what went on in the Manafort jury-room. Would it have been the case that there were so many charges that holdouts worried about the case's implications for their Great Fuhrer could only thwart the 10 of 18 charges? And they can re-try those mistrialed charges. In addition, I think Manafort is facing another trial in the DC jurisdiction.

Trump's personality disorder -- his psychological disorder -- makes it a continuing and longstanding good bet that he can't keep his mouth shut about anything. That's why his collusion is evident from the "hack Hillary's e-mails" event, with the timing of more Russian intervention on that very day.

Perhaps nobody has thought much about a possibility that they can get someone in Russia to testify in the US with documentable knowledge of the Kremlin psy-war play-book, or even to fill in the details linking Trump in more damning ways.

What is Trump going to do? What is the New York state's attorney going to do? What more will Cohen say? What more can Manafort offer? And of all the Americans indicted so far, what do they know about each other? And Trump, of course?