*Manning Football Spirit Confirmed!* Official NFL Week 8 Thread

[smackababy]

Brandon Meriweather on his "new" ... eh hem ... tackling style.



How about you just wrap and take the runner down you fucking asshat.

Why would he want a sandwich in a tortilla?

Nobody knows how to wrap up anyone anymore.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

It's difficult for me to say this as a Skins fan, but I'm starting to feel sorry for the Cowboys. wtf, man?

I feel sorry for the fan base and for some of the players, but that idiot Jerry Jones brought this on himself (and cost himself 2 to 3 more rings) when he let Jimmy Johnson walk.

 

[IAteYourMother]

I had to hear how Kap was the second coming of Joe Montana / Jesus for so long. And now, they've all conveniently shushed about him. "Smith is terrible, we need a new QB" was all I heard before last season and then "Omg Kap is so good! We are now the best ever!". Ain't nobody saying that anymore. Tiny, little Russel Wilson spanking you once and Kap not putting up anything sure quieted those guys. Happened almost as quickly as all those Houston fans that loved to hate on the Cowboys and Romo. Then they paid Schaub a visit and are begging for a win.

Are you serious? 49ers fans were loving Smith last season ater he took us to the NFC Championship, and then was the highest rated passer until he was benched. If you recall, there was something of a controversy? that usually happens when there is a difference of opinion.

Seattle beat the snot out of us, but Wilson's stats in that game weren't really all that mind-blowing, especially since you cite such statistics to denigrate Kaepernick's play. Seems pretty disingenous to me.

 

[Topweasel]

Most of the posters are missing the point. Stafford was signalling for everyone to line up and he was going to perform a spike. His offensive live didn't even block (except for the center). Nobody knew he was going to sneak it. If the D-Line had played like normal, it would have been a dead Stafford.

But, if they went and Stafford did indeed spike the ball, it would have been a huge mark against Dallas.

Personally, I have no problem. I don't even have a problem with the victory formation being "attacked" in certain scenarios. Look at KC the week before this one. They kneeled with a very small lead. If the snap was muffed by Smith, and Houston recovered, they had a chance. Yet, they just sat back and let KC win the game. In the event of blowouts, I understand, but in some cases, you shouldn't stop playing until time is out.

I don't think so I mean in theory the kneel is saving both of them. A Knee is a knee and by trying to break it up knowing the unwritten rule of "the game is over lets not get another injury just so you can say they played hard for the full 60 crap". There is no unwritten rule that a spike can not be contested. In fact like someone posted early its a play that should be contested more often. But I think a lot of players see it as such a lower percentage chance of making something happen they want to save their energy for the next play.

I don't think Stafford's play will change that. Some teams might prepare for it a little bit more. But I don't think most people and as a Lions fan I wouldn't have been pissed if the Cowboys made a play on that.

But like you I also don't think that teams should get as much slack as they do for trying to bust a kneel up. But again a spike I think is a different animal and leave it up more to the team defending it not caring then some imaginary understanding between coaches.

 

[BUTCH1]

Saints! No one talks about them. Semi decent defense and running game is coming back. Not bad!

Or the Bengals, the 49-9 lambasting of the Jets should be turning some heads, the passing game gets better each week and the defense is for real. I'd doubt they'd beat the Broncos in a playoff game but I'm thinking they will get to the postseason this year..

 

[smackababy]

I don't think so I mean in theory the kneel is saving both of them. A Knee is a knee and by trying to break it up knowing the unwritten rule of "the game is over lets not get another injury just so you can say they played hard for the full 60 crap". There is no unwritten rule that a spike can not be contested. In fact like someone posted early its a play that should be contested more often. But I think a lot of players see it as such a lower percentage chance of making something happen they want to save their energy for the next play.

I don't think Stafford's play will change that. Some teams might prepare for it a little bit more. But I don't think most people and as a Lions fan I wouldn't have been pissed if the Cowboys made a play on that.

But like you I also don't think that teams should get as much slack as they do for trying to bust a kneel up. But again a spike I think is a different animal and leave it up more to the team defending it not caring then some imaginary understanding between coaches.

The problem with the kneel is that in situations like Houston vs KC, Houston was a point behind and could have had another chance. They had just turned the ball over deep in their own territory, but just giving up with time left isn't exactly sporting. However, looking at Houston's recent implosion I can see how easy it was for them to just give up.

The Dallas game was a bit different in that Stafford pulled a Dan Marino and caught everyone by surprise. Even after he dived over the pile, he still ran untouched around and into the end zone. Nobody knew what was going on, including his own team.

I don't think anything will change, because injuring (and possibly ending careers) by going full blown on a "clock" play would be incredibly bad form. I could see some of the more dirty teams doing it, and getting away with it, but the majority of teams will just try and react. Honestly, I think Dallas was stunned over the last two plays before that anyway. They gave up two huge plays were scrambling to figure out what was happening.

 

[rudeguy]

Or the Bengals, the 49-9 lambasting of the Jets should be turning some heads, the passing game gets better each week and the defense is for real. I'd doubt they'd beat the Broncos in a playoff game but I'm thinking they will get to the postseason this year..

When they beat Detroit, I was confused. I thought Detroit's secondary went to shit, which it kind of did. Then I saw their stats from this week's game. I felt better.

Dalton might be something...we'll have to see.

 

[MetalMat]

The humour of the season in watching the bucs implode is going to be lost a bit when they cut revis and drop the level of pick the jets get.

There is no way they are dropping Revis. The Bucs have a sweet contract with him and he has showed he still has the ability to be a shut down corner, he did it to Steve Smith Thursday.

As bad as the bucs are I really think they are just a few pieces away from turning things around next season. Mike Glennon is at least a competent QB which Josh Freeman was not. They have had bad luck with that whole MRSA deal and the loss of Carl Nicks was because of it was a big blow. Doug Martin will be back and I still think is very good. They have got to move away from that clown Schiano though.

 

[Retro Rob]

AP, after coming back from surgery, was 9 yards away from breaking the rushing record and he was (at least of last week) ahead of his pace last year. He is far from close to done as long as he stays relatively healthy.

This season, in loses, he is average 4.1 per carry and in wins 6.1. A team with a good line and a decent QB threat would be a great fit for him.

edit: and he is 28.

True, but IIRC, Shaun Alexander signed a long-term deal after having some great seasons putting up massive TD numbers, but then couldn't get/stay healthy, and he was "old"...NFL speaking.

Not saying that will happen with AP, but unless a team is primed to make the SB, it wouldn't be really worthwhile trading first-rounders for him, IMO.

 

[Retro Rob]

When they beat Detroit, I was confused. I thought Detroit's secondary went to shit, which it kind of did. Then I saw their stats from this week's game. I felt better.

Dalton might be something...we'll have to see.

Lol...our secondary did go to crap, so much so Chris Houston refused to talk to the media all week. A couple of those TD were clearly on him, but he seemed to own it.

 

[smackababy]

True, but IIRC, Shaun Alexander signed a long-term deal after having some great seasons putting up massive TD numbers, but then couldn't get/stay healthy, and he was "old"...NFL speaking.

Not saying that will happen with AP, but unless a team is primed to make the SB, it wouldn't be really worthwhile trading first-rounders for him, IMO.

Shaun Alexander was 29 when he got that big contract, but that contract hurt his team. They lost a lot of what was keeping him from getting hit. However, he did have a 1,800+ yard 27 touchdown season prior to that. Realistically, he only for 15 million I think from that contract, as he was released at the end of the next year.

 

[AMDZen]

Denvers D sure likes to give up the points.

Not this week we didn't. They gave up 7 points on 1 TD, the other 14 were scored on turnovers by the offense.

LOL at all the n00bs earlier in the thread saying Denver had lost already as they come storming back to pwn the skins. Turnovers need to be stopped, but that was our biggest issue. The defense played well this week and since Woodyard was out the last 3 weeks, its clear to me that he is nearly as indispensable as Manning is. He is the QB of the defense.

After watching Bob 3.0 live and in person, I can confirm that the dude is mediocre at best

 

[AMDZen]

Or the Bengals, the 49-9 lambasting of the Jets should be turning some heads, the passing game gets better each week and the defense is for real. I'd doubt they'd beat the Broncos in a playoff game but I'm thinking they will get to the postseason this year..

They would be a problem for the Broncos if they turn the ball over several times. That was how they lost to Indianapolis and how they could potentially lose any game. Can't turn the ball over.

Now that Hillman is hopefully benched for good, we shouldn't see nearly as many of them.

 

[gorcorps]

They would be a problem for the Broncos if they turn the ball over several times. That was how they lost to Indianapolis and how they could potentially lose any game. Can't turn the ball over.

Now that Hillman is hopefully benched for good, we shouldn't see nearly as many of them.

Hillman was benched for Washington though, and that game had more turnovers than I remember any other game having. It was freakin bananas how quickly the ball changed hands at times.

 

[smackababy]

Hillman was benched for Washington though, and that game had more turnovers than I remember any other game having. It was freakin bananas how quickly the ball changed hands at times.

And in the loss against the Colts, Manning had 2 of the Broncos 3 turnovers (fumble in the endzone and a pick).


I am still surprised they haven't adjusted next week to at least have KC vs Denver in the late game Sunday slot...

 

[AMDZen]

Hillman was benched for Washington though, and that game had more turnovers than I remember any other game having. It was freakin bananas how quickly the ball changed hands at times.

At the end of the game when it didn't matter.

Otherwise, Manning's first INT was because the receiver fell down. It happens. And one of RG3's INT's was for the same reason. Manning's other fumble is clearly disconcerting because the Oline needs to do better, but honestly - Washington's pass rush is even better than Indianapolis' as they use blitz schemes that confuse anybody. Hopefully KC won't be able to get to him too many times, thats the only team the rest of the way that concerns me until the playoffs.

His other INT that I saw was a bad throw for sure. I left the game when there was 5 minutes plus left because it was over so I didn't see the rest of it

 

[Imported]

They would be a problem for the Broncos if they turn the ball over several times. That was how they lost to Indianapolis and how they could potentially lose any game. Can't turn the ball over.

Now that Hillman is hopefully benched for good, we shouldn't see nearly as many of them.

Wait, what? The Broncos still turned the ball over more than once against the Redskins.

And in the loss against the Colts, Manning had 2 of the Broncos 3 turnovers (fumble in the endzone and a pick).


I am still surprised they haven't adjusted next week to at least have KC vs Denver in the late game Sunday slot...

Games can't be flexed til Week 11 IIRC.

 

[smackababy]

Games can't be flexed til Week 11 IIRC.

I did not know that. But that is on week 11. It would be a shame for force everyone to watch Green Bay stomp the Giants (although, I will enjoy it for NFC East reasons). NE at Carolina might be alright if NE screws up and Carolina plays decent.

 

[Imported]

I did not know that. But that is on week 11. It would be a shame for force everyone to watch Green Bay stomp the Giants (although, I will enjoy it for NFC East reasons). NE at Carolina might be alright if NE screws up and Carolina plays decent.

Didn't know it was Week 11. Some reason I thought that game was Week 10. There were a couple games that were protected by the networks already. I'll have to dig that up.

Edit: Looks like CBS protected both Denver v. KC games.

@AdamSchefter CBS has protected Broncos-Chiefs matchups in weeks 11 and 13, meaning NBC will not be permitted to flex those games into Sunday night.

 

[AMDZen]

Wait, what? The Broncos still turned the ball over more than once against the Redskins.

And where did I say they didn't? Are you forgetting about the first 6 weeks that Manning threw zero INTs and Hillman fumbled the ball every single game. Every single time the dude touched the ball he fumbled.

He was our biggest liability and it took long enough to Bench his ass

 

[Imported]

And where did I say they didn't? Are you forgetting about the first 6 weeks that Manning threw zero INTs and Hillman fumbled the ball every single game. Every single time the dude touched the ball he fumbled.

He was our biggest liability and it took long enough to Bench his ass

Sorry, at first glance it seemed like you were saying the Broncos won because they didn't turn it over. My apologies.

 

[smackababy]

Sorry, at first glance it seemed like you were saying the Broncos won because they didn't turn it over. My apologies.

No, he is just trying to blame everything on Hillman, despite his turnovers not being as costly as other players.

 

[AMDZen]

Sorry, at first glance it seemed like you were saying the Broncos won because they didn't turn it over. My apologies.

Quite the opposite, I think if they could put a stop to them they would be unstoppable.

Hillman was a huge issue potentially resolved by him not playing.

However we still have issues on the oline which are disconcerting. Even still, we've had lots of injuries. Clady won't be back until maybe the playoffs (hopefully any way) and Orlando Franklin was back this game but was clearly rusty. I am hoping our bye week gets our oline back healthy as they had been stellar prior to the Jax game.

Manning doesn't bother me, he may throw a terrible INT here or there, but it doesn't matter. Its when he is getting pressure and fumbles because he is getting hit that we have to try and stop.

 

[AMDZen]

No, he is just trying to blame everything on Hillman, despite his turnovers not being as costly as other players.

And you're just a douche bag.

Hillman lost the game against the Colts. If he hadn't fumbled ON THE GOALINE we could have easily come back and and won that game. Despite the other turnovers. That was the nail in his coffin and thankfully the coaches finally got the hint.

I blame him more because he is fucking useless and thank god he is benched.

 

[smackababy]

And you're just a douche bag.

Hillman lost the game against the Colts. If he hadn't fumbled ON THE GOALINE we could have easily come back and and won that game. Despite the other turnovers. That was the nail in his coffin and thankfully the coaches finally got the hint.

I blame him more because he is fucking useless and thank god he is benched.

I am not arguing he has fumble problems (because really nobody can argue against that). If Manning hadn't had those other turnovers, Denver could have easily won. Fumbling in the endzone for a safety is pretty bad.