*Manning Football Spirit Confirmed!* Official NFL Week 8 Thread

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Zargon

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Nov 3, 2009
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well.

if STL pulls an upset, I win my my pool this week

or if SEA wins and the points total is 46 or higher, I get second.

if its 45 I tied for 3rd, 44 and lower I am out of the money in 5th place

so I need some scoring, and a blow out is fine

a blowout is better for me as I score even more points that I need for the season standings
 

lupi

Lifer
Apr 8, 2001
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DET-Broyles done with an achilles.

Barkley may start next week.

And a crap ton of people are on the we'll trade them under the "right offer" category.
 

glenn1

Lifer
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And a crap ton of people are on the we'll trade them under the "right offer" category.

And most of them would involve salaries that exclude them from serious consideration. For example, a Hakeem Nicks for Jonathan Stewart trade between NYG and CAR makes perfect sense, but the cap issues would need to be worked out. Josh Gordon might be the only guy out there who makes sense to trade for from a salary and value perspective, and I'm not sure if the Browns are letting him go.
 

smackababy

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Oct 30, 2008
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When 4 QBs' throw for over 400 yards (which is a record), sometimes it ain't always because Dallas "let" them drive....Dallas simply may NOT be as talented as people think, or maybe you just don't want to give the better teams credit.

I think the latter. Dallas fans are obnoxious

I'd think its a lack of talent since they've yet to beat a winning team, and they're .500 since 96 (IIRC) so they're probably a mediocre team that's highly overrated and overly covered.

Dallas probably will win the division but not because they're good, but because everyone else is freaking terrible.

That's saying a lot about "Americas Team".

Dallas has pretty much no pass rush this season. It really sucks because they have a lot of talent on defense, just one guy doesn't make that big of an impact. Ware and Lee are monsters and deserve to be with 9 other guys who are competent.


I understand Carr getting beat by CJ, because everyone will get beat by CJ. Even if you are defending him well, a high thrown ball can still easily be brought down by him. Stafford is accurate enough to put the ball close enough CJ can beat the defenders on it.

And every Cowboys fan hates Jerry Jones. Ever since Jimmy Johnson left (because of Jones), he has refused to hire a real leader for that team and it has shown. They've been mediocre with only a few playoff appearances to show for it. And it isn't the Cowboys organization or the fans that thinks Romo's INTs are keeping them out of the Superbowl. That is all of the armchair football analysts that hate on the Cowboys.

Sadly, at the end of the day, they will win the division and get eliminated in the playoffs by < 3 points, as usual when they play a good team. It is like Dallas musters up enough to play almost as good as the good teams they are playing, but never quite enough to beat them. Although, they did beat SF on their 1 loss season a couple years ago.
 

dainthomas

Lifer
Dec 7, 2004
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And Jared Allen.

So they can be worse than the Jags? I agree AP may be the right move, since they could hopefully get some defense for him, and they'll still have Gerhart.

Given the fact that they need more D, not less, I'm not sure what getting rid of Allen gains.
 

FallenHero

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Are you talking about Fantasy or real life football? If you actually watch him play, you'll know that once the Niners get back Manningham and Crabtree, Kaep's numbers are going straight through the roof in real life and in Fantasy.

He's already #3 in QBR despite having only Vernon Davis and a slow-ass Boldin.

Again, in terms of fantasy and real life, he is average at best. This year, Profootballfocus has him rated at #25 thus far overall. BELOW Carson Palmer, Josh Freeman, Weeden and Pryor.

His NFL QB rating has him at #17 overall. His accuracy places him near the bottom of the list, and when under pressure he is the WORST QB in the league in terms of accuracy. The ONLY time he is actually good is during play action, when he jumps into the top ten for QB rating.

Unless he makes a jump in terms of him reading a defense and being able to throw it, he will continue to be average. There is a reason SF continues to be a run heavy team.
 

glenn1

Lifer
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Again, in terms of fantasy and real life, he is average at best. This year, Profootballfocus has him rated at #25 thus far overall. BELOW Carson Palmer, Josh Freeman, Weeden and Pryor.

If they ranked Freeman and Weeden above Kaepernick, I think you should ask for your subscription money back.
 

FallenHero

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If they ranked Freeman and Weeden above Kaepernick, I think you should ask for your subscription money back.

You can't deny the accuracy numbers, regardless of ranking. Kaepernick isn't all that ESPN has made him out to be.
 

smackababy

Lifer
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So they can be worse than the Jags? I agree AP may be the right move, since they could hopefully get some defense for him, and they'll still have Gerhart.

Given the fact that they need more D, not less, I'm not sure what getting rid of Allen gains.

And Gerhart is the last decent running back they will have until AP leaves. Nobody who can be good enough to start will want to ride the bench behind AP.

You can't deny the accuracy numbers, regardless of ranking. Kaepernick isn't all that ESPN has made him out to be.
But...but... he can run the read option!
 

glenn1

Lifer
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You can't deny the accuracy numbers, regardless of ranking. Kaepernick isn't all that ESPN has made him out to be.

Dude, Freeman's "accuracy" numbers this year are abysmal. In the games he's started, he's completed 15/31, 9/22, 19/41, and 20/53. That's a 42% completion rate for the season. He just received the distinction of the worst game ever recorded for a QB. And somehow you think he's better than Kaep?
 

rudeguy

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Dec 27, 2001
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Dude, Freeman's "accuracy" numbers this year are abysmal. In the games he's started, he's completed 15/31, 9/22, 19/41, and 20/53. That's a 42% completion rate for the season. He just received the distinction of the worst game ever recorded for a QB. And somehow you think he's better than Kaep?

I don't quite know what FH is smoking.

I'm a Freeman fan but I'm not sure how you can use his name and accuracy in the same sentence. He is looking very rough and needs some polishing. He has the talent to be on the same level as Kap but right now he is looking horrible. He needs to wash off the Tampa funk.
 

Retro Rob

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Dallas has pretty much no pass rush this season. It really sucks because they have a lot of talent on defense, just one guy doesn't make that big of an impact. Ware and Lee are monsters and deserve to be with 9 other guys who are competent.


I understand Carr getting beat by CJ, because everyone will get beat by CJ. Even if you are defending him well, a high thrown ball can still easily be brought down by him. Stafford is accurate enough to put the ball close enough CJ can beat the defenders on it.

And every Cowboys fan hates Jerry Jones. Ever since Jimmy Johnson left (because of Jones), he has refused to hire a real leader for that team and it has shown. They've been mediocre with only a few playoff appearances to show for it. And it isn't the Cowboys organization or the fans that thinks Romo's INTs are keeping them out of the Superbowl. That is all of the armchair football analysts that hate on the Cowboys.

Sadly, at the end of the day, they will win the division and get eliminated in the playoffs by < 3 points, as usual when they play a good team. It is like Dallas musters up enough to play almost as good as the good teams they are playing, but never quite enough to beat them. Although, they did beat SF on their 1 loss season a couple years ago.

Well, they had a proven winner in Parcells who said one of may favorite things about "shopping for the groceries" if he has to cook them.

It's just said when it isn't clear who's coaching the team.
 

FallenHero

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I don't quite know what FH is smoking.

I'm a Freeman fan but I'm not sure how you can use his name and accuracy in the same sentence. He is looking very rough and needs some polishing. He has the talent to be on the same level as Kap but right now he is looking horrible. He needs to wash off the Tampa funk.

I'm not arguing that Freeman is better, merely stating where they had him ranked. Kaep is a game manager, out there to NOT lose games.

You know what he did in the two loses week 2 and 3? Lost the game.

After week 4? He did his job. Nothing spectacular. Merely what he was supposed to do. Thats all I'm arguing.

Looking week by week, their pass count has gone down from week 2 and 3 and their run count has gone up. If Kaep were all that, his passing stats would be in the same ratio week to week.
 

Retro Rob

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I'm not arguing that Freeman is better, merely stating where they had him ranked. Kaep is a game manager, out there to NOT lose games.

You know what he did in the two loses week 2 and 3? Lost the game.

After week 4? He did his job. Nothing spectacular. Merely what he was supposed to do. Thats all I'm arguing.

Looking week by week, their pass count has gone down from week 2 and 3 and their run count has gone up. If Kaep were all that, his passing stats would be in the same ratio week to week.

I'd take Smith over Kaep. I don't think anyone can claim he [Kaep] isn't an average QB right now....he really is.
 

smackababy

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I was arguing that much to me displeasure, Freeman is really sucking it up.

Freeman really is only being bad this season. Prior to that he was a good QB. His QBR standout was obviously 2010, but last year he still had over 4,000 yards and a 54% completion percentage.

Niners fans hated Smith when he was there from what I saw among friends. They all were so happy Kap was starting the playoffs and Smith got traded. Now, they've changed their tune a bit.
 

dougp

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I have a title for next week's NFL thread.

*How To Lose A Lead: Cowboys vs Random Team* NFL Week 9 Thread
 

Imported

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I'm still good with Kaep over Smith as QB. We haven't asked him to throw it much recently because the running game has been so dominant and we've built up quick leads lately. Chews up more clock, allows the defense to rest. No need to stray from what is working. I do worry a little with the Panthers the week after this. They have a pretty stout defense.
 

Zargon

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You can't deny the accuracy numbers, regardless of ranking. Kaepernick isn't all that ESPN has made him out to be.

they had him listed on a sheet as "leaders of the day" for offense during the Denver, and didnt have Dalton up there.
sad to see FOX pushing an agenda, even with STATS

NAME C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT QBR RTG
A. Dalton 19/30 325 10.8 5 1 98.9 125.7
C. Kaepernick 10/16 164 10.3 1 0 99.8 117.7


I mean cmon, double the yards and 4 more TD's and they decided to push Kaeps stats to what, try and make him legit?
 

darkewaffle

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they had him listed on a sheet as "leaders of the day" for offense during the Denver, and didnt have Dalton up there.
sad to see FOX pushing an agenda, even with STATS

NAME C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT QBR RTG
A. Dalton 19/30 325 10.8 5 1 98.9 125.7
C. Kaepernick 10/16 164 10.3 1 0 99.8 117.7


I mean cmon, double the yards and 4 more TD's and they decided to push Kaeps stats to what, try and make him legit?

I'd blame it more on Dalton being a ginger than anything else
 

Nintendesert

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Dallas has pretty much no pass rush this season. It really sucks because they have a lot of talent on defense, just one guy doesn't make that big of an impact. Ware and Lee are monsters and deserve to be with 9 other guys who are competent.


I understand Carr getting beat by CJ, because everyone will get beat by CJ. Even if you are defending him well, a high thrown ball can still easily be brought down by him. Stafford is accurate enough to put the ball close enough CJ can beat the defenders on it.

And every Cowboys fan hates Jerry Jones. Ever since Jimmy Johnson left (because of Jones), he has refused to hire a real leader for that team and it has shown. They've been mediocre with only a few playoff appearances to show for it. And it isn't the Cowboys organization or the fans that thinks Romo's INTs are keeping them out of the Superbowl. That is all of the armchair football analysts that hate on the Cowboys.

Sadly, at the end of the day, they will win the division and get eliminated in the playoffs by < 3 points, as usual when they play a good team. It is like Dallas musters up enough to play almost as good as the good teams they are playing, but never quite enough to beat them. Although, they did beat SF on their 1 loss season a couple years ago.




I can't blame the defense. Look at the front 4 and who is playing now vs. who was supposed to be playing. Ratliff, Ware, Spencer are all probowlers, and the only one playing is Hatcher and he's playing well. Now we have all sorts of unknowns and while players like Selvie are playing great the line is getting exhausted by a very very shitty offense.

The defense forced 4 turnovers and the only way the offense gets any points out of it was because the defense then put them on the Detroit, what? 2 yard line? And it still took a miraculous catch by Dez Bryant to get a touchdown.

When the defense gets 4 turnovers and the offense only scores 10 points or whatever at that point, it's all on the offense. You have to control the ball, you have to drive it and you have to score touchdowns. That's how you keep the other offense from tiring out and lighting up your defense. If you go and punt punt punt and go 3 and out constantly all you're doing is wearing out your own defense.

The game was lost not because of the defense, they did their job, the offense simply gave the ball back to a Detroit offense that can light people up. Hold the ball. Take time off the clock, let your tired defense rest. Instead we get a Dallas offense that can't even take 1:30 off the clock to seal the game when the defense forces a turnover on downs.

I really think the offensive playcalling is the fault here. It's been horrid. We all blamed Garrett, but now we have an offensive coordinator and play calling is still bad. Fire the OC and get a new one. I think the Cowboys should have signed someone like McGahee to help out instead of relying on rookies and untrusted/fumbling backs. He's older and wasn't going to need to be an every down back but he's dependable. That's on Jerrah though and he needs to know his place, he's an owner, not a GM. A chain of accountability is a pretty well established and proven method for running and organization, he needs to hire a GM he can fire. A real GM might have seen the worth in getting more dependable depth at RB when your starting RB has never played a full season.
 
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