MANNING > MARINO

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
No debate to braindead fanboys maybe, but plenty to those who have brains. Anyone with half a clue (OP obviously excluded) knows that most football games are decided by defense. Manning didn't impress anyone this post season. Indy won because their defense showed up and made the key stops and because their offensive line allowed the Colts to run the ball effectively. Marino was a much better quarterback than Manning, he just always got stuck on teams with a crappy defense.

that defense fvking OWNED Chicago.

Chicago fvking OWNED Chicago

Rex Grossman OWNED Chicago. Chicago had very little offensive yardage and their time of possession was much lower than the Colts. I new the Bears were going to lose at the end of the first half based on that alone. Turnovers put the nail in the coffin.

The Colts ran the ball well and Peyton found his open receivers to keep drives alive.

Manning definitely deserved the MVP. He made the difference in that game for sure.

 

[Chryso]

Originally posted by: Splork

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: joshsquall
Manning didn't really deserve the MVP. Should have gone to Rhodes, but of course Peyton will get it based on his name and reputation alone.

why not addai over rhodes?

If Indy had used just one running back then that running back would have gotten the MVP.

 

[Chryso]

Originally posted by: Linflas
Marino would have had a couple of rings if Miami had actually had a defense during his prime playing years.

So would Jim Kelly.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Chryso

Originally posted by: Linflas
Marino would have had a couple of rings if Miami had actually had a defense during his prime playing years.

So would Jim Kelly.

The Bills had a very good defense during the years when they went to the SuperBowl. They played during a time when the NFC had more of a dominance though.

 

[Crazee]

Originally posted by: j00fek
brady > manning

no debate

Brady has never had a QB rating over 100. Manning has had 3 years with QB ratings over 100 including a year at 121. Compare the stats over their first 7 years (the amount of time Brady has been in the league)

Brady Attempts 3064
Manning Attempts 3880
Brady Completions 1896
Manning Completions 2464
Brady Completion % 61.9
Manning Completion % 63.5
Brady Yardage 3064
Manning Yardage 3880
Brady Yrds Per Attempt 7.04
Manning 7.59
Brady TDs 147
Manning TDs 216
Brady INTs 78
Manning INTs 120

 

[oznerol]

Originally posted by: Crazee

Originally posted by: j00fek
brady > manning

no debate

Brady has never had a QB rating over 100. Manning has had 3 years with QB ratings over 100 including a year at 121. Compare the stats over their first 7 years (the amount of time Brady has been in the league)

Brady Attempts 3064
Manning Attempts 3880
Brady Completions 1896
Manning Completions 2464
Brady Completion % 61.9
Manning Completion % 63.5
Brady Yardage 3064
Manning Yardage 3880
Brady Yrds Per Attempt 7.04
Manning 7.59
Brady TDs 147
Manning TDs 216
Brady INTs 78
Manning INTs 120

If I had to build a fantasy football team around 1 active QB - it would be Manning. If I had to build an actual NFL team - it would be Tom Brady.

Brady has been in the NFL for 7 years, though he only started for 6. He is 12-2 in the post-season, 3 Championships, 2 Super Bowl MVPs, 2 Super Bowl game-winning drives, 7-0 in overtime.

He is not a stat machine, he is a clutch game winning machine. He's done it in the rain, snow, dome, and outside. And, for the record, his highest QB rating ever was 148 against Indy - in Indianapolis - against Manning - in 2001 - his first year as a starter - he won the Super Bowl that year.

And, for the record, I am a Jets fan. I loathe Brady.

 

[Gibson486]

Originally posted by: Minjin
No love for Steve Young? I grew up watching and loving the 49ers and it was incredible to see another QB step in after Montana and be able to throw the same throws AND run the ball.

yeah, Steve Young could sramble like no other.....

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: ducci

Originally posted by: Crazee

Originally posted by: j00fek
brady > manning

no debate

Brady has never had a QB rating over 100. Manning has had 3 years with QB ratings over 100 including a year at 121. Compare the stats over their first 7 years (the amount of time Brady has been in the league)

Brady Attempts 3064
Manning Attempts 3880
Brady Completions 1896
Manning Completions 2464
Brady Completion % 61.9
Manning Completion % 63.5
Brady Yardage 3064
Manning Yardage 3880
Brady Yrds Per Attempt 7.04
Manning 7.59
Brady TDs 147
Manning TDs 216
Brady INTs 78
Manning INTs 120

If I had to build a fantasy football team around 1 active QB - it would be Manning. If I had to build an actual NFL team - it would be Tom Brady.

Brady has been in the NFL for 7 years, though he only started for 6. He is 12-2 in the post-season, 3 Championships, 2 Super Bowl MVPs, 2 Super Bowl game-winning drives, 7-0 in overtime.

He is not a stat machine, he is a clutch game winning machine. He's done it in the rain, snow, dome, and outside. And, for the record, his highest QB rating ever was 148 against Indy - in Indianapolis - against Manning - in 2001 - his first year as a starter - he won the Super Bowl that year.

And, for the record, I am a Jets fan. I loathe Brady.

and for the record, Brady had Belicheck, Manning had Dungy.

if you don't think head coaches don't make a difference in the NFL you are not a Jets fan, look at Mangini vs Herman Edwards and tell me head coaching doesn't make a difference.

 

[Gibson486]

Originally posted by: Crazee

Originally posted by: j00fek
brady > manning

no debate

Brady has never had a QB rating over 100. Manning has had 3 years with QB ratings over 100 including a year at 121. Compare the stats over their first 7 years (the amount of time Brady has been in the league)

Brady Attempts 3064
Manning Attempts 3880
Brady Completions 1896
Manning Completions 2464
Brady Completion % 61.9
Manning Completion % 63.5
Brady Yardage 3064
Manning Yardage 3880
Brady Yrds Per Attempt 7.04
Manning 7.59
Brady TDs 147
Manning TDs 216
Brady INTs 78
Manning INTs 120

QB rating is an overrated stat.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: Captante
Another VERY underestimated QB who is much better then MANY others with SB rings though is Jim Kelly ... not as good as Joe Montana or the two mentioned above, but still an incredible talent.

Too bad he wasted time in the USFL or his NFL legacy would be better.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Gibson486

Originally posted by: Crazee

Originally posted by: j00fek
brady > manning

no debate

Brady has never had a QB rating over 100. Manning has had 3 years with QB ratings over 100 including a year at 121. Compare the stats over their first 7 years (the amount of time Brady has been in the league)

Brady Attempts 3064
Manning Attempts 3880
Brady Completions 1896
Manning Completions 2464
Brady Completion % 61.9
Manning Completion % 63.5
Brady Yardage 3064
Manning Yardage 3880
Brady Yrds Per Attempt 7.04
Manning 7.59
Brady TDs 147
Manning TDs 216
Brady INTs 78
Manning INTs 120

QB rating is an overrated stat.

so are Super Bowl Wins.

 

[Gibson486]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: ducci

Originally posted by: Crazee

Originally posted by: j00fek
brady > manning

no debate

Brady has never had a QB rating over 100. Manning has had 3 years with QB ratings over 100 including a year at 121. Compare the stats over their first 7 years (the amount of time Brady has been in the league)

Brady Attempts 3064
Manning Attempts 3880
Brady Completions 1896
Manning Completions 2464
Brady Completion % 61.9
Manning Completion % 63.5
Brady Yardage 3064
Manning Yardage 3880
Brady Yrds Per Attempt 7.04
Manning 7.59
Brady TDs 147
Manning TDs 216
Brady INTs 78
Manning INTs 120

If I had to build a fantasy football team around 1 active QB - it would be Manning. If I had to build an actual NFL team - it would be Tom Brady.

Brady has been in the NFL for 7 years, though he only started for 6. He is 12-2 in the post-season, 3 Championships, 2 Super Bowl MVPs, 2 Super Bowl game-winning drives, 7-0 in overtime.

He is not a stat machine, he is a clutch game winning machine. He's done it in the rain, snow, dome, and outside. And, for the record, his highest QB rating ever was 148 against Indy - in Indianapolis - against Manning - in 2001 - his first year as a starter - he won the Super Bowl that year.

And, for the record, I am a Jets fan. I loathe Brady.

and for the record, Brady had Belicheck, Manning had Dungy.

if you don't think head coaches don't make a difference in the NFL you are not a Jets fan, look at Mangini vs Herman Edwards and tell me head coaching doesn't make a difference.

You also have to factor in wide recievers......

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: Captante
Another VERY underestimated QB who is much better then MANY others with SB rings though is Jim Kelly ... not as good as Joe Montana or the two mentioned above, but still an incredible talent.

Too bad he wasted time in the USFL or his NFL legacy would be better.

same could be said for Steve Young.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Gibson486

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: ducci

Originally posted by: Crazee

Originally posted by: j00fek
brady > manning

no debate

Brady has never had a QB rating over 100. Manning has had 3 years with QB ratings over 100 including a year at 121. Compare the stats over their first 7 years (the amount of time Brady has been in the league)

Brady Attempts 3064
Manning Attempts 3880
Brady Completions 1896
Manning Completions 2464
Brady Completion % 61.9
Manning Completion % 63.5
Brady Yardage 3064
Manning Yardage 3880
Brady Yrds Per Attempt 7.04
Manning 7.59
Brady TDs 147
Manning TDs 216
Brady INTs 78
Manning INTs 120

If I had to build a fantasy football team around 1 active QB - it would be Manning. If I had to build an actual NFL team - it would be Tom Brady.

Brady has been in the NFL for 7 years, though he only started for 6. He is 12-2 in the post-season, 3 Championships, 2 Super Bowl MVPs, 2 Super Bowl game-winning drives, 7-0 in overtime.

He is not a stat machine, he is a clutch game winning machine. He's done it in the rain, snow, dome, and outside. And, for the record, his highest QB rating ever was 148 against Indy - in Indianapolis - against Manning - in 2001 - his first year as a starter - he won the Super Bowl that year.

And, for the record, I am a Jets fan. I loathe Brady.

and for the record, Brady had Belicheck, Manning had Dungy.

if you don't think head coaches don't make a difference in the NFL you are not a Jets fan, look at Mangini vs Herman Edwards and tell me head coaching doesn't make a difference.

You also have to factor in wide recievers......

you are saying Brady is better than Manning NOT on statistical level (hence WR's are not the issue) but on Super Bowl Wins.

statistically, Manning is superior to Brady AND it may in part be due to his WR's, OTOH, brady has more playoff wins than Manning, this is also in part due to head coaching.

don't try to argue by confusing issues.

 

[Gibson486]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Gibson486

Originally posted by: Crazee

Originally posted by: j00fek
brady > manning

no debate

Brady has never had a QB rating over 100. Manning has had 3 years with QB ratings over 100 including a year at 121. Compare the stats over their first 7 years (the amount of time Brady has been in the league)

Brady Attempts 3064
Manning Attempts 3880
Brady Completions 1896
Manning Completions 2464
Brady Completion % 61.9
Manning Completion % 63.5
Brady Yardage 3064
Manning Yardage 3880
Brady Yrds Per Attempt 7.04
Manning 7.59
Brady TDs 147
Manning TDs 216
Brady INTs 78
Manning INTs 120

QB rating is an overrated stat.

so are Super Bowl Wins.

stats, in general, are overrated. What matters is clutch time. Brady wins, hands down.

 

[Gibson486]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Gibson486

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: ducci

Originally posted by: Crazee

Originally posted by: j00fek
brady > manning

no debate

Brady has never had a QB rating over 100. Manning has had 3 years with QB ratings over 100 including a year at 121. Compare the stats over their first 7 years (the amount of time Brady has been in the league)

Brady Attempts 3064
Manning Attempts 3880
Brady Completions 1896
Manning Completions 2464
Brady Completion % 61.9
Manning Completion % 63.5
Brady Yardage 3064
Manning Yardage 3880
Brady Yrds Per Attempt 7.04
Manning 7.59
Brady TDs 147
Manning TDs 216
Brady INTs 78
Manning INTs 120

If I had to build a fantasy football team around 1 active QB - it would be Manning. If I had to build an actual NFL team - it would be Tom Brady.

Brady has been in the NFL for 7 years, though he only started for 6. He is 12-2 in the post-season, 3 Championships, 2 Super Bowl MVPs, 2 Super Bowl game-winning drives, 7-0 in overtime.

He is not a stat machine, he is a clutch game winning machine. He's done it in the rain, snow, dome, and outside. And, for the record, his highest QB rating ever was 148 against Indy - in Indianapolis - against Manning - in 2001 - his first year as a starter - he won the Super Bowl that year.

And, for the record, I am a Jets fan. I loathe Brady.

and for the record, Brady had Belicheck, Manning had Dungy.

if you don't think head coaches don't make a difference in the NFL you are not a Jets fan, look at Mangini vs Herman Edwards and tell me head coaching doesn't make a difference.

You also have to factor in wide recievers......

you are saying Brady is better than Manning NOT on statistical level (hence WR's are not the issue) but on Super Bowl Wins.

statistically, Manning is superior to Brady AND it may in part be due to his WR's, OTOH, brady has more playoff wins than Manning, this is also in part due to head coaching.

don't try to argue by confusing issues.

when did I say he was better b/c he won 3 super bowls?

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: Crazee
If you look at their stats at the same point in their careers, Manning's are better:

Attempts Manning 4890 Completions 3131
Attempts Marino 4730 Completetions 2798
Completion % Manning 64%
Completion % Marino 59.15%
Yardage Manning 37,586
Yardage Marino 35,386
Yards Per Attempt Manning 7.69
Yards Per Attempt Marino 7.48
TDs Manning 275
TDs Marino 266
INTs Manning 139
INTs Marino 149
Games Played Manning 144
Games Played Marino 135

I would say at this point in their careers with Indy winning the Superbowl, Manning is a better QB. Now Marino played an additional 8 years and still had some very productive years after that. For Payton to be the better QB in history he will have to keep doing this for a few more years.

These stats ignore the fact that Manning has also played on better teams than Marino did.

 

[oznerol]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: ducci

Originally posted by: Crazee

Originally posted by: j00fek
brady > manning

no debate

Brady has never had a QB rating over 100. Manning has had 3 years with QB ratings over 100 including a year at 121. Compare the stats over their first 7 years (the amount of time Brady has been in the league)

Brady Attempts 3064
Manning Attempts 3880
Brady Completions 1896
Manning Completions 2464
Brady Completion % 61.9
Manning Completion % 63.5
Brady Yardage 3064
Manning Yardage 3880
Brady Yrds Per Attempt 7.04
Manning 7.59
Brady TDs 147
Manning TDs 216
Brady INTs 78
Manning INTs 120

If I had to build a fantasy football team around 1 active QB - it would be Manning. If I had to build an actual NFL team - it would be Tom Brady.

Brady has been in the NFL for 7 years, though he only started for 6. He is 12-2 in the post-season, 3 Championships, 2 Super Bowl MVPs, 2 Super Bowl game-winning drives, 7-0 in overtime.

He is not a stat machine, he is a clutch game winning machine. He's done it in the rain, snow, dome, and outside. And, for the record, his highest QB rating ever was 148 against Indy - in Indianapolis - against Manning - in 2001 - his first year as a starter - he won the Super Bowl that year.

And, for the record, I am a Jets fan. I loathe Brady.

and for the record, Brady had Belicheck, Manning had Dungy.

if you don't think head coaches don't make a difference in the NFL you are not a Jets fan, look at Mangini vs Herman Edwards and tell me head coaching doesn't make a difference.

I don't know if you are agreeing with me or not... Dungy is the winningest coach in the NFL - highest win % overall. He's made the playoffs almost every year he was a head coach.

 

[fLum0x]

Originally posted by: joshsquall
Manning didn't really deserve the MVP. Should have gone to Rhodes, but of course Peyton will get it based on his name and reputation alone.

in his regard, he managed the game better than anyone else could have. A couple drives came up short, but look at the play calling that he helped manage along with the number of plays ran ALONG with the time of possession.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Gibson486

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Gibson486

Originally posted by: Crazee

Originally posted by: j00fek
brady > manning

no debate

Brady has never had a QB rating over 100. Manning has had 3 years with QB ratings over 100 including a year at 121. Compare the stats over their first 7 years (the amount of time Brady has been in the league)

Brady Attempts 3064
Manning Attempts 3880
Brady Completions 1896
Manning Completions 2464
Brady Completion % 61.9
Manning Completion % 63.5
Brady Yardage 3064
Manning Yardage 3880
Brady Yrds Per Attempt 7.04
Manning 7.59
Brady TDs 147
Manning TDs 216
Brady INTs 78
Manning INTs 120

QB rating is an overrated stat.

so are Super Bowl Wins.

stats, in general, are overrated. What matters is clutch time. Brady wins, hands down.

then why the BS about manning having better WR's??

if we are arguing JUST super bowl wins, than Brady has an Edge in Number of wins BUT it's as much due to his head coach.

IF you HONESTLY don't think Belicheck is a factor than you are delusional.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: ducci

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: ducci

Originally posted by: Crazee

Originally posted by: j00fek
brady > manning

no debate

Brady has never had a QB rating over 100. Manning has had 3 years with QB ratings over 100 including a year at 121. Compare the stats over their first 7 years (the amount of time Brady has been in the league)

Brady Attempts 3064
Manning Attempts 3880
Brady Completions 1896
Manning Completions 2464
Brady Completion % 61.9
Manning Completion % 63.5
Brady Yardage 3064
Manning Yardage 3880
Brady Yrds Per Attempt 7.04
Manning 7.59
Brady TDs 147
Manning TDs 216
Brady INTs 78
Manning INTs 120

If I had to build a fantasy football team around 1 active QB - it would be Manning. If I had to build an actual NFL team - it would be Tom Brady.

Brady has been in the NFL for 7 years, though he only started for 6. He is 12-2 in the post-season, 3 Championships, 2 Super Bowl MVPs, 2 Super Bowl game-winning drives, 7-0 in overtime.

He is not a stat machine, he is a clutch game winning machine. He's done it in the rain, snow, dome, and outside. And, for the record, his highest QB rating ever was 148 against Indy - in Indianapolis - against Manning - in 2001 - his first year as a starter - he won the Super Bowl that year.

And, for the record, I am a Jets fan. I loathe Brady.

and for the record, Brady had Belicheck, Manning had Dungy.

if you don't think head coaches don't make a difference in the NFL you are not a Jets fan, look at Mangini vs Herman Edwards and tell me head coaching doesn't make a difference.

I don't know if you are agreeing with me or not... Dungy is the winningest coach in the NFL - highest win % overall. He's made the playoffs almost every year he was a head coach.

if i had to choose a head coach today, i'd take Belicheck over anyone else in the NFL, and yes, the 3 super bowls in 5 yrs is part of the reason for that.

 

[Syrch]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: Captante
Another VERY underestimated QB who is much better then MANY others with SB rings though is Jim Kelly ... not as good as Joe Montana or the two mentioned above, but still an incredible talent.

Too bad he wasted time in the USFL or his NFL legacy would be better.

same could be said for Steve Young.

I have to agree with this. I really quick Kelly got his ring and was in the pro's longer. The guy is a legend in his home town as he should be.

 

[j00fek]

its cool that the colts won tho, but the real test will come this off season when the colts cant keep players because they have 75% of the salary into the qb and wr's

 

[Gibson486]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Gibson486

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Gibson486

Originally posted by: Crazee

Originally posted by: j00fek
brady > manning

no debate

Brady has never had a QB rating over 100. Manning has had 3 years with QB ratings over 100 including a year at 121. Compare the stats over their first 7 years (the amount of time Brady has been in the league)

Brady Attempts 3064
Manning Attempts 3880
Brady Completions 1896
Manning Completions 2464
Brady Completion % 61.9
Manning Completion % 63.5
Brady Yardage 3064
Manning Yardage 3880
Brady Yrds Per Attempt 7.04
Manning 7.59
Brady TDs 147
Manning TDs 216
Brady INTs 78
Manning INTs 120

QB rating is an overrated stat.

so are Super Bowl Wins.

stats, in general, are overrated. What matters is clutch time. Brady wins, hands down.

then why the BS about manning having better WR's??

if we are arguing JUST super bowl wins, than Brady has an Edge in Number of wins BUT it's as much due to his head coach.

IF you HONESTLY don't think Belicheck is a factor than you are delusional.

What BS? All i said was that high QB rating can be obtained with with good WR. If you think that does not factor into QB rating, then you are dillusional. I never used it say Manning was better of worse because of it. last I heard....Football was a TEAM sport.

 

[oznerol]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: ducci

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: ducci

Originally posted by: Crazee

Originally posted by: j00fek
brady > manning

no debate

Brady has never had a QB rating over 100. Manning has had 3 years with QB ratings over 100 including a year at 121. Compare the stats over their first 7 years (the amount of time Brady has been in the league)

Brady Attempts 3064
Manning Attempts 3880
Brady Completions 1896
Manning Completions 2464
Brady Completion % 61.9
Manning Completion % 63.5
Brady Yardage 3064
Manning Yardage 3880
Brady Yrds Per Attempt 7.04
Manning 7.59
Brady TDs 147
Manning TDs 216
Brady INTs 78
Manning INTs 120

If I had to build a fantasy football team around 1 active QB - it would be Manning. If I had to build an actual NFL team - it would be Tom Brady.

Brady has been in the NFL for 7 years, though he only started for 6. He is 12-2 in the post-season, 3 Championships, 2 Super Bowl MVPs, 2 Super Bowl game-winning drives, 7-0 in overtime.

He is not a stat machine, he is a clutch game winning machine. He's done it in the rain, snow, dome, and outside. And, for the record, his highest QB rating ever was 148 against Indy - in Indianapolis - against Manning - in 2001 - his first year as a starter - he won the Super Bowl that year.

And, for the record, I am a Jets fan. I loathe Brady.

and for the record, Brady had Belicheck, Manning had Dungy.

if you don't think head coaches don't make a difference in the NFL you are not a Jets fan, look at Mangini vs Herman Edwards and tell me head coaching doesn't make a difference.

I don't know if you are agreeing with me or not... Dungy is the winningest coach in the NFL - highest win % overall. He's made the playoffs almost every year he was a head coach.

if i had to choose a head coach today, i'd take Belicheck over anyone else in the NFL, and yes, the 3 super bowls in 5 yrs is part of the reason for that.

I also agree... however, I think the big games are where coaching matters the least. Great coaching gets you to the big games, but clutch players win them. Which is why the Colts have been so terrible in the playoffs in past years - Manning just could not do it. I would say the play calling (and coaching) in past years for the Colts has been fantastic.

Brady was trained well, and the Brady-Belicheck combo is intense, but Belicheck did not lead a team on two game-winning drives in a two-minute drill in two Super Bowls. Brady led the team.