MANNING > MARINO

[waggy]

Manning is great. this won't be his first super bowl win. i think there will be at least 2 more.

With last nights game you can NOT give Manning that many chances to beat you. because he will. I am shocked they held him to only 1 TD.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: ducci

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: ducci

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: ducci

Originally posted by: Crazee

Originally posted by: j00fek
brady > manning

no debate

Brady has never had a QB rating over 100. Manning has had 3 years with QB ratings over 100 including a year at 121. Compare the stats over their first 7 years (the amount of time Brady has been in the league)

Brady Attempts 3064
Manning Attempts 3880
Brady Completions 1896
Manning Completions 2464
Brady Completion % 61.9
Manning Completion % 63.5
Brady Yardage 3064
Manning Yardage 3880
Brady Yrds Per Attempt 7.04
Manning 7.59
Brady TDs 147
Manning TDs 216
Brady INTs 78
Manning INTs 120

If I had to build a fantasy football team around 1 active QB - it would be Manning. If I had to build an actual NFL team - it would be Tom Brady.

Brady has been in the NFL for 7 years, though he only started for 6. He is 12-2 in the post-season, 3 Championships, 2 Super Bowl MVPs, 2 Super Bowl game-winning drives, 7-0 in overtime.

He is not a stat machine, he is a clutch game winning machine. He's done it in the rain, snow, dome, and outside. And, for the record, his highest QB rating ever was 148 against Indy - in Indianapolis - against Manning - in 2001 - his first year as a starter - he won the Super Bowl that year.

And, for the record, I am a Jets fan. I loathe Brady.

and for the record, Brady had Belicheck, Manning had Dungy.

if you don't think head coaches don't make a difference in the NFL you are not a Jets fan, look at Mangini vs Herman Edwards and tell me head coaching doesn't make a difference.

I don't know if you are agreeing with me or not... Dungy is the winningest coach in the NFL - highest win % overall. He's made the playoffs almost every year he was a head coach.

if i had to choose a head coach today, i'd take Belicheck over anyone else in the NFL, and yes, the 3 super bowls in 5 yrs is part of the reason for that.

I also agree... however, I think the big games are where coaching matters the least. Great coaching gets you to the big games, but clutch players win them. Which is why the Colts have been so terrible in the playoffs in past years - Manning just could not do it. I would say the play calling (and coaching) in past years for the Colts has been fantastic.

Brady was trained well, and the Brady-Belicheck combo is intense, but Belicheck did not lead a team on two game-winning drives in a two-minute drill in two Super Bowls. Brady led the team.

there may be games where what you say is true, but i have seen just as many big games where COACHING and 2nd half adjustments by the staff was the difference.

brady/belicheck combo also got some lucky breaks, that neither brady's clutchness or belichecks coaching made a difference.

 

[Gibson486]

Originally posted by: waggy
Manning is great. this won't be his first super bowl win. i think there will be at least 2 more.

With last nights game you can NOT give Manning that many chances to beat you. because he will. I am shocked they held him to only 1 TD.

is it really that shocking? Didn't the colts win a playoff game this year without a touchdown? Now that is just great defense.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Gibson486

Originally posted by: waggy
Manning is great. this won't be his first super bowl win. i think there will be at least 2 more.

With last nights game you can NOT give Manning that many chances to beat you. because he will. I am shocked they held him to only 1 TD.

is it really that shocking? Didn't the colts win a playoff game this year without a touchdown? Now that is just great defense.

well yeah it is kinda shocking. i expected him to make 3. veianteri did worse then i expected though.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Gibson486

Originally posted by: waggy
Manning is great. this won't be his first super bowl win. i think there will be at least 2 more.

With last nights game you can NOT give Manning that many chances to beat you. because he will. I am shocked they held him to only 1 TD.

is it really that shocking? Didn't the colts win a playoff game this year without a touchdown? Now that is just great defense.

well yeah it is kinda shocking. i expected him to make 3. veianteri did worse then i expected though.

did you not notice the weather?

also, did you not notice that on each of the extended drives, penalties were key factors in stopping the drive.

fact is, with the bears D playing deep and the heavy rain, a lot of deep passes were not likely to succeed, so a holding penalty basically meant the end of a drive. there were not many individual plays by the Colts that went over 15 yrds, peyton did an amazing job of managing that offense, keeping it on the field and scoring (albeit via FG).

 

[Chryso]

Originally posted by: ducci

I don't know if you are agreeing with me or not... Dungy is the winningest coach in the NFL - highest win % overall. He's made the playoffs almost every year he was a head coach.

What I would like to know is, before yesterday, why weren't people talking about Tony Dungy like they talk about Marty Shottenheimer? Dungy couldn't win the big one for a long time. Look at Tampa Bay. They won a superbowl shortly after Dungy left but couldn't win one with him.

 

[GoPackGo]

Favre provided/provides a bit of an x-factor that most other quarterbacks don't have.

Slightly Crazy.

He will go after/tackle/block guys 3 times his size.

 

[Chryso]

Originally posted by: waggy
Manning is great. this won't be his first super bowl win. i think there will be at least 2 more.

What?
No matter how many super bowls he ends up winning this will always be his first super bowl win.

 

[Kev]

these arguments are so stupid and pointless.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Chryso

Originally posted by: waggy
Manning is great. this won't be his first super bowl win. i think there will be at least 2 more.

What?
No matter how many super bowls he ends up winning this will always be his first super bowl win.

heh i ment only super bowl win.


as i said at least 2 more in the next few years. IF the colts can get some better special teams and defence they are good

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Kev
these arguments are so stupid and pointless.

so is responding to a stupid and pointless post.

even if it is just to point out how stupid and pointless it is.

 

[Jeeebus]

Originally posted by: ballmode
COLTS RULE!

MANNING > MARINO!

Legacy has been established!

so according to this logic, if the Bears had pulled out the win, then Grossman > Marino?

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: slsmnaz
1 ring to zero so I might have to agree. Peyton is 1 step ahead

By this logic, Tom Brady > manning and marino (which is true, but not because of the rings )

 

[oogabooga]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: slsmnaz
1 ring to zero so I might have to agree. Peyton is 1 step ahead

By this logic, Tom Brady > manning and marino (which is true, but not because of the rings )

well, not really.
The reason 1 ring > zero making Peyton 1 step ahead is b/c of the constant comparison b/w Manning and Marino.

but that said, I'm going to back out of this thread now..

 

[Shlong]

I got these stats from another forum but I believe Manning is ahead at similar points in their careers.

Manning 9 seasons 144 games played.
64% completion percentage
37,586 passing yards (261.01 yards per game)
275 TD's (1.91 TD's per game)
139 INT's (.965 INT's per game)
13 Rushing TD's
94.36 QB Rating
1 Super Bowl Ring

Marino 10 seasons 151 games played.
59% completion percentage
39,502 passing yards (261.6 yards per game)
290 TD's (1.921 TD's per game)
165 INT's (1.093 INT's per game)
6 Rushing TD's
87,8 QB Rating
0 Super Bowl Ring

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Kev
these arguments are so stupid and pointless.

so is responding to a stupid and pointless post.

even if it is just to point out how stupid and pointless it is.

not really

 

[PimpJuice]

Originally posted by: Regs
Da bears QB was awful. I never seen such piss poor clutch throwing in a Super Bowl before. They are lucky they were able to put up that many points after that display.

Manning is a good QB. I put him at Farves level except Brett always got injured like a 8-year-old with cerebral palsy on a bike.

Favre injured? The guys holds the record for most consecutive starts for a QB.

youre a moron

 

[BlancoNino]

And then John Elway came into the thread and pwned everyone.

I know everyone has Elway in their top 10, but I'm the only person I know that has him as number 1.

I ask again...

Is there anything that Elway couldn't do? I can start off by saying neither Brady nor Manning can scramble very well.

 

[Q]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: ballmode
COLTS RULE!

MANNING > MARINO!

Legacy has been established!

are you fckin kidding me?

Marino = way better

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: slsmnaz
1 ring to zero so I might have to agree. Peyton is 1 step ahead

By this logic, Tom Brady > manning and marino (which is true, but not because of the rings )

No, it is because of the rings. Take them away and Brady wouldn't be anywhere near talk of all time greatness - unlike Marino or Manning (until now).

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
And then John Elway came into the thread and pwned everyone.

I know everyone has Elway in their top 10, but I'm the only person I know that has him as number 1.

I ask again...

Is there anything that Elway couldn't do? I can start off by saying neither Brady nor Manning can scramble very well.

what about steve young? what could he not do well?

that doesn't make him the best, it just makes him well rounded.

 

[internetadam4657]

ok, without even having read this thread, i'm going to make a comment here:

Marino > Manning

enough said. Dan Marino has always been one of the most legendary QB's in the NFL and will continue to be. He set the bar for passing greatness.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: internetadam4657
ok, without even having read this thread, i'm going to make a comment here:

Marino > Manning

enough said. Dan Marino has always been one of the most legendary QB's in the NFL and will continue to be. He set the bar for passing greatness.

so because he once was, he ALWAYS will be?? that is the stupidest argument posted yet.

Marinos Career is greater than Manning career to this point (possibly).

10 yrs from now, who knows manning with 4 or 5 more seasons like his last 4 season and he is easily in Marinos class if not better than Marino.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
And then John Elway came into the thread and pwned everyone.

I know everyone has Elway in their top 10, but I'm the only person I know that has him as number 1.

I ask again...

Is there anything that Elway couldn't do? I can start off by saying neither Brady nor Manning can scramble very well.

Actually Manning scrambles well. No, he's not fast at all but he has really good moves and avoids many sacks. Again, the one thing in my book that sets Manning apart from all the others, and the one thing that he does better than most of the greats is his fantastic footwork. Watch his feet during a play, it's absolutely incredible how fast he can set himself to go a completely different direction that he originally intended to and he is stepping into every throw. His feet are lightning quick and IMHO it's the reason for his great success.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: slsmnaz
1 ring to zero so I might have to agree. Peyton is 1 step ahead

Didn't take long for this tired argument to come out...

Q: What do Ben Rothlesberger, Trent Dilfer, Kurt Warner, Mark Rypien, Jeff Hostetler, Doug Williams, Jim McMann, and Joe Namath all have in common?

A: They all won Superbowls despite being average or sub-par quarterbacks.

Football is a team sport. Marino spent nearly his entire career on teams with no running game or defense.