Manny Ramirez positive for PED! - out 50 games

[PetunZ]

A rumor floating around from Jim Rome is that he's taking a pregnancy type drug. It's supposed to counteract the effects of taking steroids for a prolonged period of time, and help the body start producing testosterone again.

 

[Gibson486]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Apparently it was a "sexual enhancer"?



KT

Edit: Damn you Dan!!! :|

gripping the bat too much, ha?

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: OCguy
Eh, it really might not be roids if that source is correct.


It would be a shame if a legally prescribed substance that doesnt give an advantage caused someone to be banned.

This has happened, iirc.

A lot of sinus medications, inhalants especially, are steroids. I remember several players testing positive b/c of related medications and enduring a ban when MLB first implemented the new policy.

MLB has a list of safe and non-safe drugs. If you take something that is banned then you broke the rules and will have to face it. The union and the players know this.

True, but look at the Romero story I linked, it is not always that cut and dry.

KT

 

[LTC8K6]

So they didn't catch him for steroids, but for a drug commonly used to help with steroid use. So this is some evidence that he may have been using steroids.

"However, two sources told ESPN's T.J. Quinn and Mark Fainaru-Wada that the drug used by Ramirez is HCG -- human chorionic gonadotropin. HCG is a women's fertility drug typically used by steroid users to restart their body's natural testosterone production as they come off a steroid cycle. It is similar to Clomid, the drug Bonds, Giambi and others used as clients of BALCO."

 

[Udgnim]

meh I'll assume Manny has taken steroids now

if he wanted a sexual enhancer, then there's Viagra (which I have no idea is a banned or unbanned substance)

 

[Squisher]

I'm sure there is valid explanation why Manny would be using a fertility drug.


Just in: Manny is a transexual

 

[Syringer]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ne...09&prov=yhoo&type=lgns Drug is not perfomance enhancing drug. Rather... sexual enhancing drug *slaps forhead* c'mon Manny! lololol

I only skimmed through it but if it's to boost sexual performance by increasing testosterone levels, doesn't that have the same effect as a steroid

 

[kinev]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: OCguy
Eh, it really might not be roids if that source is correct.


It would be a shame if a legally prescribed substance that doesnt give an advantage caused someone to be banned.

This has happened, iirc.

A lot of sinus medications, inhalants especially, are steroids. I remember several players testing positive b/c of related medications and enduring a ban when MLB first implemented the new policy.

For the last time: corticosteroids /= anabolic steroids

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

BEAT LA! =]

 

[BeauJangles]

My buddy is getting tickets to the first game Manny is back. It should be at Petco Park. I told him to go with the following sign: "50 games for Manny being Manny? Priceless."

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: BeauJangles
My buddy is getting tickets to the first game Manny is back. It should be at Petco Park. I told him to go with the following sign: "50 games for Manny being Manny? Priceless."

But it's not priceless, it's around $7.7 million or something.

KT

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: OCguy
Eh, it really might not be roids if that source is correct.


It would be a shame if a legally prescribed substance that doesnt give an advantage caused someone to be banned.

This has happened, iirc.

A lot of sinus medications, inhalants especially, are steroids. I remember several players testing positive b/c of related medications and enduring a ban when MLB first implemented the new policy.

MLB has a list of safe and non-safe drugs. If you take something that is banned then you broke the rules and will have to face it. The union and the players know this.

and that list has been through several revision. When the policy was first initiated, ~2003, iirc, the list was full of fail, testing was not as accurate, and many people got screwed.

I would hazard to guess that with improvement, this will likely still occur, though not as frequently.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: kinev

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: OCguy
Eh, it really might not be roids if that source is correct.


It would be a shame if a legally prescribed substance that doesnt give an advantage caused someone to be banned.

This has happened, iirc.

A lot of sinus medications, inhalants especially, are steroids. I remember several players testing positive b/c of related medications and enduring a ban when MLB first implemented the new policy.

For the last time: corticosteroids /= anabolic steroids

I know. but I do believe the earlier testing had issues with confusing these. At least, that was the defense....

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: OCguy
Eh, it really might not be roids if that source is correct.


It would be a shame if a legally prescribed substance that doesnt give an advantage caused someone to be banned.

This has happened, iirc.

A lot of sinus medications, inhalants especially, are steroids. I remember several players testing positive b/c of related medications and enduring a ban when MLB first implemented the new policy.

MLB has a list of safe and non-safe drugs. If you take something that is banned then you broke the rules and will have to face it. The union and the players know this.

and that list has been through several revision. When the policy was first initiated, ~2003, iirc, the list was full of fail, testing was not as accurate, and many people got screwed.

I would hazard to guess that with improvement, this will likely still occur, though not as frequently.

The league has stated that if you take something YOU are responsible for it. The list is more or less to help, but in the end its your responsibility.

Kinda like you ordered alcohol free beer but they give you one with alcohol. You drive home get pulled over. I be willing to bet saying, well I did not know it had alcohol? will work just about as well as taking a supplement that says it is clean but you test positive.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: BeauJangles
My buddy is getting tickets to the first game Manny is back. It should be at Petco Park. I told him to go with the following sign: "50 games for Manny being Manny? Priceless."

But it's not priceless, it's around $7.7 million or something.

KT

This year, it's priceless for Red Sox fans

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: OCguy
Eh, it really might not be roids if that source is correct.


It would be a shame if a legally prescribed substance that doesnt give an advantage caused someone to be banned.

This has happened, iirc.

A lot of sinus medications, inhalants especially, are steroids. I remember several players testing positive b/c of related medications and enduring a ban when MLB first implemented the new policy.

MLB has a list of safe and non-safe drugs. If you take something that is banned then you broke the rules and will have to face it. The union and the players know this.

and that list has been through several revision. When the policy was first initiated, ~2003, iirc, the list was full of fail, testing was not as accurate, and many people got screwed.

I would hazard to guess that with improvement, this will likely still occur, though not as frequently.

The league has stated that if you take something YOU are responsible for it. The list is more or less to help, but in the end its your responsibility.

Kinda like you ordered alcohol free beer but they give you one with alcohol. You drive home get pulled over. I be willing to bet saying, well I did not know it had alcohol? will work just about as well as taking a supplement that says it is clean but you test positive.

Except in this case he's being paid millions of dollars to check if the beer has alcohol in it before he drinks it. I think most of us would be willing to make such a tradeoff.

 

[oiprocs]

Manny has a player-option for the second year of his contract. Of course he is going to exercise that option.

I want to know if the Dodgers could keep Ramirez this year, and in the off-season file suit (or whatever) that Ramirez breached his contract by testing positive (failure to uphold team dignity or whatever a lawyer could use in case there is not explicit prohibition of steroids written in the countract), thus resulting in him being a free agent and the Dodgers off the hook for $20million.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: OCguy
Eh, it really might not be roids if that source is correct.


It would be a shame if a legally prescribed substance that doesnt give an advantage caused someone to be banned.

This has happened, iirc.

A lot of sinus medications, inhalants especially, are steroids. I remember several players testing positive b/c of related medications and enduring a ban when MLB first implemented the new policy.

MLB has a list of safe and non-safe drugs. If you take something that is banned then you broke the rules and will have to face it. The union and the players know this.

and that list has been through several revision. When the policy was first initiated, ~2003, iirc, the list was full of fail, testing was not as accurate, and many people got screwed.

I would hazard to guess that with improvement, this will likely still occur, though not as frequently.

The league has stated that if you take something YOU are responsible for it. The list is more or less to help, but in the end its your responsibility.

Kinda like you ordered alcohol free beer but they give you one with alcohol. You drive home get pulled over. I be willing to bet saying, well I did not know it had alcohol? will work just about as well as taking a supplement that says it is clean but you test positive.

Except in this case he's being paid millions of dollars to check if the beer has alcohol in it before he drinks it. I think most of us would be willing to make such a tradeoff.

Yea I was going to add that but then someone would bring up some low paid players ONLY make like 100k a year.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: OCguy
Eh, it really might not be roids if that source is correct.


It would be a shame if a legally prescribed substance that doesnt give an advantage caused someone to be banned.

This has happened, iirc.

A lot of sinus medications, inhalants especially, are steroids. I remember several players testing positive b/c of related medications and enduring a ban when MLB first implemented the new policy.

MLB has a list of safe and non-safe drugs. If you take something that is banned then you broke the rules and will have to face it. The union and the players know this.

and that list has been through several revision. When the policy was first initiated, ~2003, iirc, the list was full of fail, testing was not as accurate, and many people got screwed.

I would hazard to guess that with improvement, this will likely still occur, though not as frequently.

The league has stated that if you take something YOU are responsible for it. The list is more or less to help, but in the end its your responsibility.

Kinda like you ordered alcohol free beer but they give you one with alcohol. You drive home get pulled over. I be willing to bet saying, well I did not know it had alcohol? will work just about as well as taking a supplement that says it is clean but you test positive.

that's fine and all, but these tend to be cases of athletes following a doctor's advice--and most people out there tend to look on their doctors as the authority on what is good for their bodies.

I completely agree that it then falls to the athlete to confer with their doctor to make sure, absolutely sure, and check with an MLB official, that prescribed drugs aren't going to violate the rules.

Honestly, though, being that the situation exists shows how flaws remain in the testing and the policy.

Purchasing a non-alcoholic beverage behind the trust of a bartender does not carry the same weight as taking scripts behind the trust of a physician.

If anything, this would hopefully make the players more cognizant when taking advice from their physicians.

 

[JS80]

you would not take HCG for male sexual disfunction, there are better, safer drugs out there for his alleged problem. so he didn't test positive for steroids...he just tested positive for taking something that hides steroids use. kinda like how you find a black hole.

GUILTY AS CHARGED.

 

[Reckoner]

Go fuck yourself Manny

 

[SphinxnihpS]

What a shock...

 

[imported_Imp]

So when does David Ortiz get tested?

Didn't like him when he was with Boston, but now that he's somewhere else, meh.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: buck
I never liked that guy....

this.

 

[DayLaPaul]

He was caught with a banned substance, not a performance enhancer, according to reports.