Man's wealth, not his looks, most important factor for women

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A man's riches, not his looks, are most important if he wants to settle down, according to a pioneering study of the "marriage market" by psychologists.

Although there have been many lab based studies that have suggested that women are drawn to men of high status, power and wealth, rather than just looks, a new study provides hard evidence of the marriage market in action.

The survey of more than 20,000 American men, based on historical data from the turn of the last century, suggests how when men become in short supply, for instance in the wake of the First World War, women are happy to put up with poorer partners of lesser social sway.

And when men are commonplace, women are in the driving seat and become correspondingly more choosy, driving a hard bargain for the richest and most powerful men, with the marriage prospects of a male pauper being "drastically reduced".

The findings back a prediction made more than a decade ago that also said men will become more faithful to their wives and take more interest in their children when women are in short supply.

The revelations have come from a study of US data from 1910, where the ratio of men to women varies from state to state, published in the journal Biology Letters by Thomas Pollet and Daniel Nettle of Newcastle University.
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"Little research within evolutionary psychology, so far, has considered how 'the market' influences individual decisions," said Mr Pollet.

"Here we show that if men are abundant, this will influence the market value of their desired traits, that is, women can demand more. This aspect, namely individual decision making as a function of the mating market (local abundance or scarcity), has been relatively neglected within the literature on human mate choice."

When men and women are in equal supply, mathematical models predict that men who are married will have a slightly higher socioeconomic status than unmarried men.

"As the sex ratio increases, married men are predicted to need up two or three times the socioeconomic status of unmarried men".

To illustrate what they mean by this, they took the example of a 30 year old with a low and a high socioeconomic status. With equal numbers of men and women theory predicts that 56 per cent of low status men would be married once, whereas 60 per cent of high status men would.

But when men are plentiful, so there are 11 for every 10 women, only 24 per cent of low status men would be married once, compared with 46 per cent of high status men. Thus low status men become 2.31 times less likely to marry, whereas high status men are 1.31 times less likely.

And as there are more men, the effect of wealth and power on the probability of marriage became stronger. "This means that the effects of a male-biased sex ratio fell disproportionately on low-status men, whose probability of marriage was drastically reduced."

The work confirms a prediction made by Frank Pedersen of the University of Delaware in 1991 that the sex ratio has a big impact on the marriage market.

Pedersen suggested that people will change many aspects of their behaviour as a knock-on effect of the competition induced by sex ratio fluctuations. For men, these include greater fidelity, commitment to careers, and increased investment in children when women are scarce.

"Thus, much about the varying ethos of male and female behaviour across populations and across time could in principle be explained with reference to the sex ratio," said Mr. Pollet.

"These questions are ripe for future investigation, but our study has clearly established the more limited fact that sex ratio fluctuations in modern humans can put one sex in the driving seat and allow them to drive a hard bargain."
 

thegimp03

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The study doesn't talk about looks.

All it says is that men who have more money/better status are more likely to be married.

That's common sense. The majority of women who want to settle down and get married won't go after guys who can't support them.
 

Ricochet

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For marriage, sure. But for no nonsense, no strings attached sex, good looks play a bigger role.
 

IceBergSLiM

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Originally posted by: ricochet
For marriage, sure. But for no nonsense, no strings attached sex, good looks play a bigger role.

nope. Hugh Hefner is living proof that high status trumps all.
 

trmiv

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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: ricochet
For marriage, sure. But for no nonsense, no strings attached sex, good looks play a bigger role.

nope. Hugh Hefner is living proof that high status trumps all.

That's different, Hef is on a totally different level, and isn't even accessible by most women. But if Sally is looking for some dude to bang after getting drunk with friends at the bar one night, she's going for the stud with muscles, not the rich software company owner in the corner (if they are the same dude, score one for Sally).
 

Special K

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Originally posted by: sash1
no sh!t, men go for looks, women look for a good provider

The thing I don't get about the whole "good provider" mentality is it seems like a throwback to older times when women were not educated like men to obtain careers and advance in the workplace, and intead always took on the role of homemaker.

Now that women are entering the same fields that men are, it seems reasonable that many women now are more than capable of providing for themselves, and may actually make more than many men they are likely to meet.

Maybe they would still be attracted to a man with more wealth because it would allow the two of them to live an even more comfortable life, but it seems like it should be less of a concern now than back when women traditionally did not have career jobs of their own and therefore depended on a man to provide for her and the rest of the family.
 

IceBergSLiM

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Originally posted by: trmiv
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: ricochet
For marriage, sure. But for no nonsense, no strings attached sex, good looks play a bigger role.

nope. Hugh Hefner is living proof that high status trumps all.

That's different, Hef is on a totally different level, and isn't even accessible by most women. But if Sally is looking for some dude to bang after getting drunk with friends at the bar one night, she's going for the stud with muscles, not the rich software company owner in the corner (if they are the same dude, score one for Sally).

I am claiming that ultimately status trumps even money and looks. Status though is a dynamic element many times.

In a bar the nerdy rich guy will be significantly lower status than the dirtbag whose singing in the band thats playing and the good looking guy is in the middle.

However at the yacht club....the nerdy computer rich guy is king when he is rockin out on the yacht while the dirt bag is parking cars and the good looking guy is bar tending.
 

Xavier434

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Originally posted by: Special K
Originally posted by: sash1
no sh!t, men go for looks, women look for a good provider

The thing I don't get about the whole "good provider" mentality is it seems like a throwback to older times when women were not educated like men to obtain careers and advance in the workplace, and intead always took on the role of homemaker.

Now that women are entering the same fields that men are, it seems reasonable that many women now are more than capable of providing for themselves, and may actually make more than many men they are likely to meet.

Maybe they would still be attracted to a man with more wealth because it would allow the two of them to live an even more comfortable life, but it seems like it should be less of a concern now than back when women traditionally did not have career jobs of their own and therefore depended on a man to provide for her and the rest of the family.

It's not about what one is capable of doing. It is completely about what one wants. Women, on average, want a man that can provide despite how capable they are of providing for themselves. Keep in mind though that the ability to provide does not directly equate to being rich.

More money does not directly mean more attractive on average with women. You just have to have enough money. At least, that is what I have gathered in my experience with all the women I have met. Before some of you quote this part and explain to me why I am wrong understand that I realize there are exceptions and plenty of them. I have met those chics too.
 

JS80

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I wonder how many millions of dollars were wasted in this study to find that yes, the sky is blue.
 

Alphathree33

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The thing about these marriage studies is that they don't measure ATTRACTION.

If you're looking to become the most ATTRACTIVE male possible, I don't believe getting rich will do it.

I'm sure it makes you get marriage material, but people get married without being attracted to one another all the time.

Tell me what makes a man the most likely to get laid in a random social situation -- I'm with Iceberg Slim here -- it's high social status IN THE CONTEXT of that social situation.

I've seen this in my own life again and again.

If I'm in a group of 30 people who respect me, it requires ZERO effort to pick up girls because they try to pick me up.

If I go to a random nightclub I can't score a single girl despite my best efforts.

Girls, on the other hand, have a more "constant" appeal -- the way you look is the way you look, whether it's at the office or at the nightclub.
 

razor2025

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In another news, wealthy and high-status men prefer good looking women. Breaking report at 11.
 

Special K

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Originally posted by: Alphathree33
The thing about these marriage studies is that they don't measure ATTRACTION.

If you're looking to become the most ATTRACTIVE male possible, I don't believe getting rich will do it.

I'm sure it makes you get marriage material, but people get married without being attracted to one another all the time.

Tell me what makes a man the most likely to get laid in a random social situation -- I'm with Iceberg Slim here -- it's high social status IN THE CONTEXT of that social situation.

I've seen this in my own life again and again.

If I'm in a group of 30 people who respect me, it requires ZERO effort to pick up girls because they try to pick me up.

If I go to a random nightclub I can't score a single girl despite my best efforts.

Girls, on the other hand, have a more "constant" appeal -- the way you look is the way you look, whether it's at the office or at the nightclub.

So in that group of 30 people, do all of the guys get hit on about equally throughout the night, or are you the one who gets all of the attention? Do you personally have to be the center of attention of the whole group to get hit on, or does just being "in" the group work well enough?
 

IceBergSLiM

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Originally posted by: Special K
Originally posted by: Alphathree33
The thing about these marriage studies is that they don't measure ATTRACTION.

If you're looking to become the most ATTRACTIVE male possible, I don't believe getting rich will do it.

I'm sure it makes you get marriage material, but people get married without being attracted to one another all the time.

Tell me what makes a man the most likely to get laid in a random social situation -- I'm with Iceberg Slim here -- it's high social status IN THE CONTEXT of that social situation.

I've seen this in my own life again and again.

If I'm in a group of 30 people who respect me, it requires ZERO effort to pick up girls because they try to pick me up.

If I go to a random nightclub I can't score a single girl despite my best efforts.

Girls, on the other hand, have a more "constant" appeal -- the way you look is the way you look, whether it's at the office or at the nightclub.

So in that group of 30 people, do all of the guys get hit on about equally throughout the night, or are you the one who gets all of the attention? Do you personally have to be the center of attention of the whole group to get hit on, or does just being "in" the group work well enough?

He is trying to say that he is the noticeable alpha or one of the few alphas in the group. Women notice this.
 

Xavier434

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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Special K
So in that group of 30 people, do all of the guys get hit on about equally throughout the night, or are you the one who gets all of the attention? Do you personally have to be the center of attention of the whole group to get hit on, or does just being "in" the group work well enough?

He is trying to say that he is the noticeable alpha or one of the few alphas in the group. Women notice this.

Yes they do. That has been my number one asset when it comes to attracting women.

 
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