Man's wealth, not his looks, most important factor for women

[sash1]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Special K

Originally posted by: Alphathree33
The thing about these marriage studies is that they don't measure ATTRACTION.

If you're looking to become the most ATTRACTIVE male possible, I don't believe getting rich will do it.

I'm sure it makes you get marriage material, but people get married without being attracted to one another all the time.

Tell me what makes a man the most likely to get laid in a random social situation -- I'm with Iceberg Slim here -- it's high social status IN THE CONTEXT of that social situation.

I've seen this in my own life again and again.

If I'm in a group of 30 people who respect me, it requires ZERO effort to pick up girls because they try to pick me up.

If I go to a random nightclub I can't score a single girl despite my best efforts.

Girls, on the other hand, have a more "constant" appeal -- the way you look is the way you look, whether it's at the office or at the nightclub.

So in that group of 30 people, do all of the guys get hit on about equally throughout the night, or are you the one who gets all of the attention? Do you personally have to be the center of attention of the whole group to get hit on, or does just being "in" the group work well enough?

He is trying to say that he is the noticeable alpha or one of the few alphas in the group. Women notice this.

:thumbsup: pretty much. women ARE attracted/will be more attracted to you if you display high social status

 

[Special K]

Originally posted by: sash1

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Special K

Originally posted by: Alphathree33
The thing about these marriage studies is that they don't measure ATTRACTION.

If you're looking to become the most ATTRACTIVE male possible, I don't believe getting rich will do it.

I'm sure it makes you get marriage material, but people get married without being attracted to one another all the time.

Tell me what makes a man the most likely to get laid in a random social situation -- I'm with Iceberg Slim here -- it's high social status IN THE CONTEXT of that social situation.

I've seen this in my own life again and again.

If I'm in a group of 30 people who respect me, it requires ZERO effort to pick up girls because they try to pick me up.

If I go to a random nightclub I can't score a single girl despite my best efforts.

Girls, on the other hand, have a more "constant" appeal -- the way you look is the way you look, whether it's at the office or at the nightclub.

So in that group of 30 people, do all of the guys get hit on about equally throughout the night, or are you the one who gets all of the attention? Do you personally have to be the center of attention of the whole group to get hit on, or does just being "in" the group work well enough?

He is trying to say that he is the noticeable alpha or one of the few alphas in the group. Women notice this.

:thumbsup: pretty much. women ARE attracted/will be more attracted to you if you display high social status

Does this mean whenever I'm out with my friends, I should always try to be the center of attention with them in order to attract more girls?

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Special K

Does this mean whenever I'm out with my friends, I should always try to be the center of attention with them in order to attract more girls?

There is a huge difference between forcing yourself to be the center of attention and being an alpha male. It just so happens that being an Alpha male often places you in the center of attention. However, most women can easily tell the difference between a true alpha male and one who is just trying to be in the center of attention. Hell, most guys can pick up on that. Although, I will say that being that way does beat being incredibly shy.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: Special K

Originally posted by: sash1

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Special K

Originally posted by: Alphathree33
The thing about these marriage studies is that they don't measure ATTRACTION.

If you're looking to become the most ATTRACTIVE male possible, I don't believe getting rich will do it.

I'm sure it makes you get marriage material, but people get married without being attracted to one another all the time.

Tell me what makes a man the most likely to get laid in a random social situation -- I'm with Iceberg Slim here -- it's high social status IN THE CONTEXT of that social situation.

I've seen this in my own life again and again.

If I'm in a group of 30 people who respect me, it requires ZERO effort to pick up girls because they try to pick me up.

If I go to a random nightclub I can't score a single girl despite my best efforts.

Girls, on the other hand, have a more "constant" appeal -- the way you look is the way you look, whether it's at the office or at the nightclub.

So in that group of 30 people, do all of the guys get hit on about equally throughout the night, or are you the one who gets all of the attention? Do you personally have to be the center of attention of the whole group to get hit on, or does just being "in" the group work well enough?

He is trying to say that he is the noticeable alpha or one of the few alphas in the group. Women notice this.

:thumbsup: pretty much. women ARE attracted/will be more attracted to you if you display high social status

Does this mean whenever I'm out with my friends, I should always try to be the center of attention with them in order to attract more girls?

yes. You have to be congruent with it though. You can't be shy when they come over to your group to get your attention.

 

[thomsbrain]

duh.

 

[m1ldslide1]

Seems all very rooted in basic species survival instinct to me. Women want providers primarily, quality genes second. This is to ensure that the kid survives childhood, and then hopefully has good genes to grow up strong and healthy. Men are almost solely interested in quality genes, as women aren't expected to provide resources in traditional roles. Culture has added some elements, but we're still very much in this mode. We probably always will be, at least until we kill ourselves off.

 

[TanisHalfElven]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: moshquerade
i'd never marry an ugly millionaire. mark my words.

you're either quite a find or ugly.

My SO wouldn't either and she is smokin.

yeah like your SO is gonna tell you she would bang a ugly millionaire.
come on.
i'm not saying she would just that she wouldn't say it even if she would.

 

[FrustratedUser]

O'RLY.... I had no idea the sky was blue. :roll:

They should have sent me 1/2 the money this 'research' cost and I'd come up with an answer in around 2 seconds.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: moshquerade
i'd never marry an ugly millionaire. mark my words.

you're either quite a find or ugly.

My SO wouldn't either and she is smokin.

yeah like your SO is gonna tell you she would bang a ugly millionaire.
come on.
i'm not saying she would just that she wouldn't say it even if she would.

She would tell me. She knows I wouldn't care so she has no reason not to. We are ridiculously open with each other all of the time because we are both very laid back. I was just pointing out these women do exist. Besides, there is a huge difference between "Banging" a millionaire and marrying one. She has her kid to think about in terms of providing him with a father figure which goes way beyond money her mind on top of a dozen other reasons.

 

[Tiamat]

No shit Sherlock

 

[Koing]

Originally posted by: Special K

Originally posted by: sash1
no sh!t, men go for looks, women look for a good provider

The thing I don't get about the whole "good provider" mentality is it seems like a throwback to older times when women were not educated like men to obtain careers and advance in the workplace, and intead always took on the role of homemaker.

Now that women are entering the same fields that men are, it seems reasonable that many women now are more than capable of providing for themselves, and may actually make more than many men they are likely to meet.

Maybe they would still be attracted to a man with more wealth because it would allow the two of them to live an even more comfortable life, but it seems like it should be less of a concern now than back when women traditionally did not have career jobs of their own and therefore depended on a man to provide for her and the rest of the family.

Indeed, but just look at the % of women making as much money as men. They are some that do and some that earn a hell of a lot more but the % is a lot less then men.

Koing

 

[MasonLuke]

attention all geeks. just start making money and you can get ANY woman you want. Right now the jocks and players get all the action, but as soon as your income/wealth grows, they will flock to you. Life is fair. =)

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: sash1
no sh!t, men go for looks, women look for a good provider

I look for $$$ too. :laugh:

 

[Saga]

So what you're saying is.. we need a real big war to thin out the competition for the rest of us.

Christ. Just when I'd started to not like Bush again - now I'm back to hoping we go to Defcon 2.

 

[Geekbabe]

so what does this study imply about women who provide for men? are we disgustingly fugly,undersirable pigs?

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: thegimp03
The study doesn't talk about looks.

All it says is that men who have more money/better status are more likely to be married.

That's common sense. The majority of women who want to settle down and get married won't go after guys who can't support them.

its not even about support.
in previous studies women were shown to prefer men with higher educational/economic status even if they were high status themselves. and they still preferred the man to be higher status then themselves.

of course this messes up the dating pool for women at the high end since men go after looks and youth/willingness to sacrifice instead.

 

[Saga]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
so what does this study imply about women who provide for men? are we disgustingly fugly,undersirable pigs?

My guess would be tomboys or emotional basket cases. High probability that it's a combination of both.

I mean, if you're even average looking you can get most guys to do anything you want by showing a little skin and acting meek. You'd have to be either stupid or a lesbian at that point not to take advantage of it at least once in your life.

 

[Pepsei]

Originally posted by: Special K

Originally posted by: sash1

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Special K

Originally posted by: Alphathree33
The thing about these marriage studies is that they don't measure ATTRACTION.

If you're looking to become the most ATTRACTIVE male possible, I don't believe getting rich will do it.

I'm sure it makes you get marriage material, but people get married without being attracted to one another all the time.

Tell me what makes a man the most likely to get laid in a random social situation -- I'm with Iceberg Slim here -- it's high social status IN THE CONTEXT of that social situation.

I've seen this in my own life again and again.

If I'm in a group of 30 people who respect me, it requires ZERO effort to pick up girls because they try to pick me up.

If I go to a random nightclub I can't score a single girl despite my best efforts.

Girls, on the other hand, have a more "constant" appeal -- the way you look is the way you look, whether it's at the office or at the nightclub.

So in that group of 30 people, do all of the guys get hit on about equally throughout the night, or are you the one who gets all of the attention? Do you personally have to be the center of attention of the whole group to get hit on, or does just being "in" the group work well enough?

He is trying to say that he is the noticeable alpha or one of the few alphas in the group. Women notice this.

:thumbsup: pretty much. women ARE attracted/will be more attracted to you if you display high social status

Does this mean whenever I'm out with my friends, I should always try to be the center of attention with them in order to attract more girls?

to a point, it has to be natural. to start, go read this book "the game". a slick pickup artist can pick up more chicks than a muscle bound guy with no other positive traits.

 

[Lurknomore]

Triple dog dare duh !

 

[Alphathree33]

I just thought I'd throw in the following news:

- French President Sarkozy is now dating a former supermodel.

I'm not sure if he's wealthy, but he's definitely *powerful.*

Now keep in mind this supermodel could've had anyone -- a musclebound pool boy, a famous actor, a real charmer, a billionaire, etc.

But she chose the most powerful person she could get.

Going back to my comment about being respected / high status within your peer group, that essentially gives you POWER in that social context. It's the power that attracts her.

You might not be the French President, but in that room at that time, you have power.

I was thinking about this at a party I was at a few nights ago. I have a girlfriend but I was just toying around with some seduction community stuff on a girl I met. She had a boyfriend but I could see I was frying her circuits, she started holding my hand, touching my leg, my shoulder, etc.

Most of the 'tech' I was using was extremely standard -- takeaways, C&F type comments, vibing, the usual. This all comes very naturally to me now, it's a part of who I am.

And I was thinking, "This tech essentially gives me power in a very localized way. I have power over her and her emotions. That's what attracts her."

 

[meltdown75]

it doesn't matter what attracts women at first. they spend the rest of their time with the poor bastard trying to change whatever he is anyway.

:Q

 

[Jeff7]

It's all about economics. When the supply goes down, the price (how "nice" you have to generally be) goes up. So, when the supply of women goes down, men have to put more effort into being better husbands, in part because of more competition, but also because the demand remains constant.

An economist could have done this study and given the same results.

Originally posted by: clamum
"Pioneering study" eh?

Indeed. Telling us what we already know.

Originally posted by: moshquerade
i'd never marry an ugly millionaire. mark my words.

Everyone has their price. Everyone.

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
so what does this study imply about women who provide for men? are we disgustingly fugly,undersirable pigs?

Ah yes the "sugar-momma" phenomenon. I wouldn't mind being a stay-at-home husband, who took care of the standard household duties. Nothing like having a relaxed and familiar working environment.
(Personally, I could care less about traditional gender roles.)

Originally posted by: meltdown75
it doesn't matter what attracts women at first. they spend the rest of their time with the poor bastard trying to change whatever he is anyway.

:Q

I find this amusing, too. Why is this? Do women at some point give up on the idea of finding the "perfect" guy, and so they decide to create him? Unfortunately, their image of a "perfect" guy is probably one that the popular media has created in movies and sitcoms. Unfortunately, this image is therefore purely fictitious. Unfortunately, too many people can't seem to separate fiction from reality.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm needed elsewhere. LEEEEROOOOOYY JENKIIIINNNNNSSSSS!!!




For all our intelligence, we still do a lot of things just like animals do. Animals will gussy themselves up to look better than they normally do. For example, some birds will adorn themselves with artificial "plumage" they find laying around the forest. Women wear makeup, men wear ties, as if either one increases a person's inherent value. A tie doesn't really say, "I'm important." It says, "I have enough money to purchase a tie."
In animal social groups, again, females still pursue or stay with dominant males - those with high status. Or, they go for the male who can beat the crap out of another male. Too often, we see women attracted to the "bad guy" who doesn't mind picking a fight. "Oooh, you're violent and you like to hurt people. Wanna have my babies?"

I suppose that a zoologist could also have done this study, and come up with the same results.

 

[gophins72]

it doesnt really say, but there could be a tight correlation between looks and pay, which would still make it valid for looks to matter.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: moshquerade
i'd never marry an ugly millionaire. mark my words.

Everyone has their price. Everyone.

You are so wrong. Not all people can be bought.

 

[Captante]

Originally posted by: clamum
"Pioneering study" eh?

That was my first thought!