Marc Laidlaw has left Valve

Sabrewings

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We could've had Half Life 7 by now if they had actually used those 18 years wisely.
 

Rakewell

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To this day I will never understood how Valve let one of the best IP's in gaming history go down the toilet. For absolutely no reason.

It'd be if Lucas decided to stop work after Empire.
 

TechBoyJK

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http://www.engadget.com/2016/01/08/half-life-writer-marc-laidlaw-leaves-valve-after-18-years/

If you are still holding out for Half Life 3, it might be time to let it go.

-KeithP

Redacted Valve for ruining Half Life.

yes, it's long been ruined. They let too much time come between sequels or anything related to the previous installments and I've completely lost interest.

I can remember finishing EP2 thinking EP3 was right around the corner then would be followed a year or two later with HL3..

none of that has happened, and they've had plenty of time.

No cursing in PC gaming. -Admin DrPizza
 
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Artorias

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http://www.engadget.com/2016/01/08/half-life-writer-marc-laidlaw-leaves-valve-after-18-years/

If you are still holding out for Half Life 3, it might be time to let it go.

-KeithP

Writers are an integral part of the game development process with having input at every stage of development, typically writers leave companies when they finish a project.

I cant really see Valve releasing HL without having Marc as the main writer, who really knows though.

Its either dead or might be coming out within a year.
 

TechBoyJK

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Even if HL3 comes out, I think I'll pass. There's far too little time and too many other games to play that won't be an obvious abandon-ware+cash grab.

If HL3 ever comes out, it'll suck.
 

RampantAndroid

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It could mean his work is done and HL3 is near finished (and has reached an end) or he just left.

Either way, I'm in the "wait, I stopped caring about Half Life a bit ago. And TF2, CS and all other Valve games." I suppose I'd change my mind if it was a TRULY awesome game, but I have my doubts. Even Ep1 and 2 didn't really do it for me THAT much. Not as well as HL2 did it for me.

Edit: Straight from the horse's mouth: http://imgur.com/a/EfHC5
 

RampantAndroid

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And a well written reply/analysis from Reddit to that email:

Considering that Gabe Newell, during a podcast with Geoff Keighley last year, specifically told him in response to questions about the future of the series that because of what Valve has learned over the years (and in particular since shipping Portal 2) that they weren't interested in doing what he called a "super classic kind of product" unless there was a significant enough demand for it within the company itself, it seems like the writing was on the wall.

Unfortunately, Newell made it pretty clear where Valve is at right now. That the company is focused on the community-based experiences that have helped make the company so successful, rather than the traditional single-player experiences that made the Half-Life series what it was. He even comes out and calls doing another Half-Life a "bad choice" that it "ignores everything we've learned." Anyone still holding a torch for the series only has themselves to blame.

Of course, that doesn't mean the franchise is buried. However, based on what Newell has said on the matter, there's little doubt that even if it did come back it wouldn't be as we knew it but reflect the current direction of the company. Counter-Strike, Team Fortress, Left 4 Dead, Dota. It would be something that reflected the community driven, market based, competitive standard Valve has built around its brand. Valve and Newell both are clearly more interested in services and hardware than the traditional experiences that once typified their offerings.
Best not to expect anything anymore.
https://www.reddit.com/r/HalfLife/comments/3zzmi2/sent_an_email_to_marc_laidlaw_about_hl3_he/
 

Kaido

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To this day I will never understood how Valve let one of the best IP's in gaming history go down the toilet. For absolutely no reason.

Seriously, as short as they were, they should have been dropping new HL2 episodes quarterly. They could have broken down a whole HL1-length sequel script into like 20 chapters and kept it going for five years. Literally the only thing they needed was the story...they have the characters, the software tools to pull it off, etc. Personally, as a solo player enthusiast, I would LOVE that. Charge me $20 a pop. Wikipedia says that as of 2008 (8 years ago!), they had sold 1.4 million copies. With quarterly releases at $19.99 each, that's an extra $100 million a year coming in. From existing tools. With existing characters. All they need is a dev team & some writers.

I'm not crying, you're crying
 

JSt0rm

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People stop being innovative once they are old and billionaires. Look to young people to make cool things.
 

BSim500

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"However, based on what Newell has said on the matter, there's little doubt that even if it did come back it wouldn't be as we knew it but reflect the current direction of the company."
Is that polite-new-speak for "If we made HL3 today, it'll end up like Thief 4 'for the modern casual audience'?"... The old Half-Life games were great, but like so many other great late 90's / early 00's franchises, you often can't just "go back" and recreate that distinctive "feel" about them 10-15 years later when there's such a large time gap and a change in development personnel between them and when half the modern games development is based more on being "formulaic" vs completely different games of similar release year than maintaining any distinctive "style" a franchise might have in general.
 

RampantAndroid

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Is that polite-new-speak for "If we made HL3 today, it'll end up like Thief 4 'for the modern casual audience'?"... The old Half-Life games were great, but like so many other great late 90's / early 00's franchises, you often can't just "go back" and recreate that distinctive "feel" about them 10-15 years later when there's such a large time gap and a change in development personnel between them and when half the modern games development is based more on being "formulaic" vs completely different games of similar release year than maintaining any distinctive "style" a franchise might have in general.

I suspect they mean "we can't get you to pay $.99 for a key to a crate an enemy dropped" or something. They do online games now, and they nickel and dime you.
 

Zenoth

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Now that he's not working for Valve anymore I hope that someone out there will interview him and ask him about what the hell actually happened internally.

I'm also wondering something. As the writer of Half-Life, would he have the right to continue the story on his own and just write it in a book? I think it's the only way we'll ever get to know what happens after Episode Two. In fact I would love just read the story's continuation rather than waiting for Valve to lift a finger about it.
 
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Artorias

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Now that he's not working for Valve anymore I hope that someone out there will interview him and ask him about what the hell actually happened internally.

I'm also wondering something. As the writer of Half-Life, would he have the right to continue the story on his own and just write it in a book? I think it's the only way we'll ever get to know what happens after Episode Two. In fact I would love just read the story's continuation rather than waiting for Valve to lift a finger about it.

I'm pretty sure a Half Life book will never come out, he has said that Half Life itself cannot exist outside of the game and that the story has to be told in the game format rather than the book, the gameplay makes the story work.

There is also zero chance of him spilling the beans, he said that in one of his responses that Valve is like a second family and will respect their wishes.

I also believe that Laidlaw himself has been "retired" for a while now, in one his responses around June 2015 he said he doesn't know a whole lot about the internal decision processes of Valve about HL3, that doesn't sound like someone in the know about the games development.

This all comes back to Gabe now, he can come out now and clear things up as to what's going to happen.
 
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pathos

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This all comes back to Gabe now, he can come out now and clear things up as to what's going to happen.

Really though, why should he? Does HL even have anything left in the tank, outside of speculation? If they ever did clear the air on it, we'd have nothing left to talk about, most likely, and it would finally give up the ghost.

By not clearing it up, it gives us something to talk about...even if most of us gave up and walked away a long, long time ago.
 

Sho'Nuff

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To this day I will never understood how Valve let one of the best IP's in gaming history go down the toilet. For absolutely no reason.

It'd be if Lucas decided to stop work after Empire.

They had a good reason - Steam. Once it got up and running they had no reason to do game development at all. Why do something for a bunch of finnicky gamers when you can provide a service that is ubiquitous through the industry now and make oodles of money doing it?

At this point HL3 is like Duke NUkem Forever - something people have wanted for a loooooooong time . . . . but once/if its actually developed I predict people will be sorely disappointed.

Of course, I would not mind if Valve were to prove me wrong. But honestly I would rather not have HL3 if its going to be a POS.
 
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Sabrewings

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The sad thing is that DNF had more in the way of actual evidence of progress during its long hype road.

I'm not mad at Valve for the whole HL3 business, just disappointed. I understand business is business, but leaving what they know is a beloved franchise in such an awkward place story-wise is hurtful.

And I'm not just a little disappointed... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84zY33QZO5o
 

BoberFett

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I thought people stopped caring about Half Life many years ago?

It's an old school shooter. Its time has come and gone.
 
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