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feralkid

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Grey area indeed. The tigerbelly episode I quoted made a fair point, isnt equality when you can crack jokes about everybody instead of nobody as the pc dictates today? Its the total disregard for the context of which something was said this phrase xyz is a no-go no matter what, point being you can say some pretty retarded shit without being racist if the context is right.
Do "retarded" people know they are "retarded"? I mean would they take offense? Would they *get it*? Who is getting offended here.


Most probably would; retarded doesn't necessarily mean stupid.
 

cytg111

Lifer
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Most would; retarded doesn't mean stupid.
It might not in the medical dictionary you are referencing here(?) but it sure does in the context of everyday slang "Are you fucking retarded dude?" - when your friend messes something up big time.
 

feralkid

Lifer
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It might not in the medical dictionary you are referencing here(?) but it sure does in the context of everyday slang "Are you fucking retarded dude?" - when your friend messes something up big time.


I was referring to your question about a retarded person being offended. edited for clarity.
 
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Viper1j

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As odds would have it I was just listening to this where they, among other things, talk about the r word
Ill have to say I didnt get that memo either... but aight! What we use in place? Moron?

Read the poster.
 

pmv

Lifer
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Grey area indeed. The tigerbelly episode I quoted made a fair point, isnt equality when you can crack jokes about everybody instead of nobody as the pc dictates today? Its the total disregard for the context of which something was said this phrase xyz is a no-go no matter what, point being you can say some pretty retarded shit without being racist if the context is right.
Do "retarded" people know they are "retarded"? I mean would they take offense? Would they *get it*? Who is getting offended here.

I always wince when I read/hear that word used as an insult. But I think it might just come down to how recently a word has made the transition, from neutral, clinical term, to epithet. It's because that word has only made that shift during my own lifetime that I don't like hearing it that way. But I think 'idiot' 'moron' 'imbecile' were all once-upon-a-time considered technical terms, it's just that they transitioned so long ago that they've lost that association for me.

Maybe if you rule out every such term there's not much left to use to express contempt or negative judgement. And, yes, I've encountered people with mental disabilities who didn't like the r-word (in fact one such individual pre-emptively explained they hoped nobody would use it, before anybody actually had said any such thing, as they were accustomed to being abused with that word).

Not long ago I heard a repeat of an only-moderately-old radio documentary where they referred to a mentally-disabled musician as "retarded" and the introduction had to explain that at the time it was seen as a polite technical term not an insult, hearing it now it sounded very incongruous given the formal tone of the narrator using that word.
 
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It USED to be acceptable. The term mentally retarded described people who were not able to advance due to a mental or medical condition affecting learning or cognitive skills. It meant slow to learn or unable to learn or do things.

But as with so many other terms of the 40s, 50s or earlier, it became abused as an insult.
 

cytg111

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I always wince when I read/hear that word used as an insult. But I think it might just come down to how recently a word has made the transition, from neutral, clinical term, to epithet. It's because that word has only made that shift during my own lifetime that I don't like hearing it that way. But I think 'idiot' 'moron' 'imbecile' were all once-upon-a-time considered technical terms, it's just that they transitioned so long ago that they've lost that association for me.

Maybe if you rule out every such term there's not much left to use to express contempt or negative judgement. And, yes, I've encountered people with mental disabilities who didn't like the r-word (in fact one such individual pre-emptively explained they hoped nobody would use it, before anybody actually had said any such thing, as they were accustomed to being abused with that word).

Not long ago I heard a repeat of an only-moderately-old radio documentary where they referred to a mentally-disabled musician as "retarded" and the introduction had to explain that at the time it was seen as a polite technical term not an insult, hearing it now it sounded very incongruous given the formal tone of the narrator using that word.

Food for thought there. We also adapt to this at different paces right, something inherent to who what we are as apes but also according the the sub circles of social interaction we engage in on a daily basis.. the entirety of humanity is not gonna woke up at the same time.. I mean as long as we agree no-one is roaming the earth with the sole purpose of putting hurt on another living thing, we should be able to cut some slack and not engage in this cancel culture first step misplaced. Plus, the older you get, the harder it gets to keep up, one, plasticity falls dramatically, two social circles shrink. Not long ago I had an hour long discussion with an elder of mine regarding a certain way to describe a specific ethnic group (cause, we had an incident.. in public). I had to pull out all the dictionaries where it was described as derogatory.. at the end of it, thank god, she had the "oh my god, ill never use that word again, i didnt know" etc. (I think for some people its fear, fear that they cant make the "transition" and fear of getting ridiculed .. so they ridicule back first)
 

cytg111

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It USED to be acceptable. The term mentally retarded described people who were not able to advance due to a mental or medical condition affecting learning or cognitive skills. It meant slow to learn or unable to learn or do things.

But as with so many other terms of the 40s, 50s or earlier, it became abused as an insult.

But words are not just things that comes out of our mouths right, its a thought process too. When my friend does something utterly retarded that is actually sentences forming in my thoughts .. and sometimes they leave my mouth. (and yea, its a perfectly health relation ship). What thought process am I gonna substitute this with and how long will it take to unwind from all the other stuff that has been hard pressed into my neural net, in this context, over the last xx years?
I am just saying its not a nothing-task to alter your mind like that.
 
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woke

cancel culture

As a civilized society, we need to stop using buzz phrases intended to provoke.


When my friend does something utterly **** that is actually sentences forming in my thoughts .. and sometimes they leave my mouth. (and yea, its a perfectly health relation ship). What thought process am I gonna substitute this with ...

I use terms like dumb, ignorant, stupid, silly ....


and how long will it take to unwind from all the other stuff that has been hard pressed into my neural net, in this context, over the last xx years?

Ten minutes or less.
 
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cytg111

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Ten minutes or less.
Good for you, however, I suggest, however, that not everybody is made from the same mold as you are.
Also, “woke” a provocative term? Case in point, I didnt use that term to provoke, yet here you are at my throat .
 

pmv

Lifer
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It USED to be acceptable. The term mentally retarded described people who were not able to advance due to a mental or medical condition affecting learning or cognitive skills. It meant slow to learn or unable to learn or do things.

But as with so many other terms of the 40s, 50s or earlier, it became abused as an insult.

I don't think that term escaped from neutral, clinical language as long ago as the 40s or 50s. The radio documentary I heard using it in that way was from the '80s or at least the late '70s. Also - and this has changed for me over time as it seems to have gradually spread into much wider usage, including spreading across the Atlantic - but for a long time I associated the use of it as an insult with a certain kind of young American. If someone used it that way I'd find myself thinking "young Republican frat boy" or maybe "Beavis and Butthead". Now I don't really know what to think. It has indeed fallen into an awkward 'grey area', where it hasn't fully lost its original clinical associations, but is half way to being just an insult.
 
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Neanderthal, my new code word for dumb republicans and as Joe put it, especially for dumb republican governors. Neanderthal, what better a term? And you can tell it really pisses them off because all that Fox is talking about is OMG, BIDEN CALLED SOMEONE "NEANDERTHAL". You can always tell when you hit a republican right in the balls, they react just like this followed by Fox news. Thing is.... they KNOW it is true. They know that they are neanderthal's. Mirrors don't lie....

Hopefully republicans can also go extinct like the neanderthals did.
 

pmv

Lifer
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Hopefully republicans can also go extinct like the neanderthals did.

Isn't the current view that Neanderthals interbred with homo-sapiens, and thus we now all carry some Neanderthal DNA? So in the future we'll all be a little-bit Republican? Maybe even all a small percentage Trumpist! (the horror, the horror!)
 

pcgeek11

Lifer
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Neanderthal


They had something going for them.


“They were believed to be scavengers who made primitive tools and were incapable of language or symbolic thought.”Now, he says, researchers believe that Neanderthals “were highly intelligent, able to adapt to a wide variety of ecologicalzones, and capable of developing highly functional tools to help them do so. They were quite accomplished.

They lived 250,000 years or more in the harshest climates experienced by primates, not just humans.” In contrast, we modern humans have only been around for 100,000 years or so and moved into colder, temperate regions only in the past 40,000 years.
 

dank69

Lifer
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They had something going for them.


“They were believed to be scavengers who made primitive tools and were incapable of language or symbolic thought.”Now, he says, researchers believe that Neanderthals “were highly intelligent, able to adapt to a wide variety of ecologicalzones, and capable of developing highly functional tools to help them do so. They were quite accomplished.

They lived 250,000 years or more in the harshest climates experienced by primates, not just humans.” In contrast, we modern humans have only been around for 100,000 years or so and moved into colder, temperate regions only in the past 40,000 years.
Yes, they had something going for them when survival depended on physical attributes more than intellectual attributes. It's no wonder they'd like to turn our planet into a hostile wasteland again so they can once again compete.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Grey area indeed. The tigerbelly episode I quoted made a fair point, isnt equality when you can crack jokes about everybody instead of nobody as the pc dictates today? Its the total disregard for the context of which something was said this phrase xyz is a no-go no matter what, point being you can say some pretty retarded shit without being racist if the context is right.
Do "retarded" people know they are "retarded"? I mean would they take offense? Would they *get it*? Who is getting offended here.

yes, we've gone a bit overboard with policing our humor, but it's also a net benefit to increase awareness and understanding of different sorts of people; certainly as we just learn more, and hopefully become less assholish.

To me, once you start punching down, you've crossed the line. There's a difference between making fun of someone for doing something foolish, for who they are (individually); not the person they are--that which is incontrollable. Stereotypes can be hilarious, and I think are generally fair game, but there is also history that is important to consider.

Me, I use "Retarded" for those who choose to be that way--not "Retarded" in the classic sense, but idiots who have clearly chosen to be idiots, or a particular thing that, in that moment only, perhaps, is retarded. I don't like to refer to or think of mentally disabled people as retarded. That's extremely hurtful. ...but I also know that I'm pretty much defining a word in my own way, in the way I want to use it and probably no one else will really appreciate or accept, perhaps to justify myself in using it for my own selfish purposes. I won't really defend my use of the word.
 
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