Marie Harf: "Stop ISIS...Get Them Jobs"!

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MongGrel

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No, we all get it.

But guess what? They like it just the way things are.

These people are religious fundamentalists that are intent on destroying the world.

Personally, it would not surprise me one bit if the upper ranks of Daesh aren't doing the whole YOLO thing, forgive me for even saying YOLO, and living like Columbian Drug lords ATM.
 

brycejones

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Personally, it would not surprise me one bit if the upper ranks of Daesh aren't doing the whole YOLO thing, forgive me for even saying that, and living like Columbian Drug lords ATM.

Well they did justify the taking of sex slaves....
 

justoh

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Please understand that a few minutes of me thinking accomplishes what would take you years.

One hour and fifty-two minutes is not two or more hours, and neither is "a few minutes." Read a book for once. Are you fifteen?
 

Vic

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I think you have that backwards, that they gained access to jobs once they ceased using bullets and started using words. Same with autonomy; people are ever so much nicer to you when you aren't trying to kill them, and people aren't likely to invest hard-earned money where their shiny new factory is likely to be blown up or burned down as a symbol of the cause.

So which came first? The chicken or the egg?
 

MongGrel

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One hour and fifty-two minutes is not two or more hours, and neither is "a few minutes." Read a book for once. Are you fifteen?

Grasshopper still hasn't grasped a concept, and unfortunately I think never will.
 

MongGrel

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Many of ISIS recruits have college educations and left good jobs to join.
This is what ISIS is about: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2421232&highlight=blastingcap

In the OP link.
Warning:Long Read
It's good, though.
It's wholly religiously motivated.They believe they are right.
The only thing they'll listen to is a bullet in the ear.
They are fundamentalist Islamists.
It is what it is.

So you believe their propaganda, then ?

Think about it real hard before answering.


Personally, I think they are a bit jealous of the Saudi Arabians, I am also, they have been making money hand over fist in areas like Dubai for a very long time.

I still remember on 9/11 them fucking blasting out of Miami when the airports where locked down.

Conspiracies abound, there always facts laying about all over.

I'm not going to be at the Oscars tomorrow night either, maybe I should get pissed off and go blow something up.

Bit of a stretch, sorry, I'm just rolling with it at the moment.

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justoh

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Grasshopper still hasn't grasped a concept, and unfortunately I think never will.

Well, one of us certainly hasn't (more like some, if you include vic, moon, et al). :hmm: pretty sure it's not me...
 

PlanetJosh

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God I hate ISIS, they're giving the conservatives an excuse to claim the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq was justified. Even if you argue as I do that ISIS would never have happened if the U.S. didn't go to war with Iraq in '03, the Repubs will still get many on their side (thanks to ISIS) to send American combat troops to beat ISIS and eventually try to win the whole war in Iraq.

And if the U.S. does win the entire war in Iraq then as I said above the conservatives can say it was the right thing to do after all to invade way back in 2003 because the result was winning the war even though a late win. Then U.S. opinion polls may swing towards favoring more U.S. troops to be sent there if Repubs request it in order to stay on top in Iraq. A nightmare scenario from my point of view anyway. But just peachy fine to the Repubs.
 

werepossum

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So which came first? The chicken or the egg?
The egg, of course. Reptiles and fish and amphibians laid them millions of years before there were chickens. ;D

Seriously, no one sensible is going to invest in jobs until the violence wains, if only for fear of losing their investment (private sector) or having the generated wealth turned into more effective violence (public sector). Only an idiot would throw money into a group bent on killing them in the hopes things will improve. After that it's a feedback loop, where people miraculously discover that prosperity beats old hatred and thus, become a better place to invest.

God I hate ISIS, they're giving the conservatives an excuse to claim the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq was justified. Even if you argue as I do that ISIS would never have happened if the U.S. didn't go to war with Iraq in '03, the Repubs will still get many on their side (thanks to ISIS) to send American combat troops to beat ISIS and eventually try to win the whole war in Iraq.

And if the U.S. does win the entire war in Iraq then as I said above the conservatives can say it was the right thing to do after all to invade way back in 2003 because the result was winning the war even though a late win. Then U.S. opinion polls may swing towards favoring more U.S. troops to be sent there if Repubs request it in order to stay on top in Iraq. A nightmare scenario from my point of view anyway. But just peachy fine to the Repubs.
This has nothing to do with the Iraq War which was won in a few weeks. It has to do with us not understanding that there was and is no dynamic in the area that leads to anything remotely resembling what the West would call a healthy society. Saddam Hussein operating rape rooms and muder squads isn't better than ISIS doing the same.

Even this might have been avoided had we left the Iraqi Army intact and merely changed the civilian masters. Maybe.
 

feralkid

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The egg, of course. Reptiles and fish and amphibians laid them millions of years before there were chickens. ;D

Seriously, no one sensible is going to invest in jobs until the violence wains, if only for fear of losing their investment (private sector) or having the generated wealth turned into more effective violence (public sector). Only an idiot would throw money into a group bent on killing them in the hopes things will improve. After that it's a feedback loop, where people miraculously discover that prosperity beats old hatred and thus, become a better place to invest.


This has nothing to do with the Iraq War which was won in a few weeks. It has to do with us not understanding that there was and is no dynamic in the area that leads to anything remotely resembling what the West would call a healthy society. Saddam Hussein operating rape rooms and muder squads isn't better than ISIS doing the same.

Even this might have been avoided had we left the Iraqi Army intact and merely changed the civilian masters. Maybe.

Watch it, Bub; you're starting to sound like maybe you believe we never should have gone there in the first place.

:'(
 

Moonbeam

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One hour and fifty-two minutes is not two or more hours, and neither is "a few minutes." Read a book for once. Are you fifteen?

OK, OK, I lied. I understood he accidentally left out the you instantaneously.
 

MongGrel

Lifer
Dec 3, 2013
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God I hate ISIS, they're giving the conservatives an excuse to claim the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq was justified. Even if you argue as I do that ISIS would never have happened if the U.S. didn't go to war with Iraq in '03, the Repubs will still get many on their side (thanks to ISIS) to send American combat troops to beat ISIS and eventually try to win the whole war in Iraq.

And if the U.S. does win the entire war in Iraq then as I said above the conservatives can say it was the right thing to do after all to invade way back in 2003 because the result was winning the war even though a late win. Then U.S. opinion polls may swing towards favoring more U.S. troops to be sent there if Repubs request it in order to stay on top in Iraq. A nightmare scenario from my point of view anyway. But just peachy fine to the Repubs.

As far as I know, the US isn't in a war in Iraq.

Looks to me like it's some regional war where Daesh has pissed off some countries now and they are are air striking the crap out of them with some US ELint and refueling support.

These things seem to change a lot I guess....
 

werepossum

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Watch it, Bub; you're starting to sound like maybe you believe we never should have gone there in the first place.

:'(
I DO think we never should have gone there. I supported the war, but I think the underlying driver was the desire to show leaders of Islamic nations that they, not just their expendables, would suffer from their bad behavior. That was amply demonstrated by toppling the government of Afghanistan. We got a lot of good from it, but also a lot of bad, and at a terrible price.
 

Moonbeam

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Finally some honesty out of you. Bravo. Wasn't so hard, was it?

Oh, that's just the beginning of how honest I can be. I could have originally said that it took me hours to figure out what Vic meant to sarcastically imply you're retarded. Oh wait......

But then even the great MongGrel seems not to have figured that out.
 
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